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The Zune Cometh 291

Well, except for those hiding under a mountain of used iPod batteries, it's fairly well known that the Zune iPod-wannabe killer is coming out Monday/Tuesday. There's a piece in the NYTimes about counting on the wireless part of the Zune to take down the iPod as well as some interviews with people involved in the creation. But OTOH, RoughlyDrafted (which has had a series of pieces about the Zune) points out some issues with the DRM systems, and forecasts a number of issues — and also calls out what they called a "Digg Fraud Campaign". But soon — the market decides.
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The Zune Cometh

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  • Not a big intro (Score:5, Interesting)

    by sbraab ( 100929 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @10:53AM (#16823362)
    I noticed while looking through the newspaper adds this weekend that there isn't much of a marketing hype around Zune. It was buried in all the adds and the biggest selling point I found was that you could put your own picture on on the background. It was also interesting to see that the Microsoft name was no where to be found. I was really expecting to see front pages ads, WIRELESS in big letters and Microsofts weight behind it all. It was also interesting to note that the accessory packs advertised with it were $80-$100, I guess they are trying to beat apple at the sucker game. All in all I didn't see anything to win over the mass market.
  • by gnasher719 ( 869701 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @10:59AM (#16823416)
    The submitter calls the Zune an "iPod wannabe-killer".

    That would make it something that kills iPod wannabe's, like Creative or Rio or Sandisk players. I wonder whether that is what the submitter meant, or did he mean "wannabe iPod" or "wannabe iPod-killer"? And I wonder what Microsoft's goal is?
  • by Assmasher ( 456699 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @11:02AM (#16823452) Journal
    ...the entire article is supposition and not even logically thought out supposition.

    See the paragraph below:

    "For example, Murphey has been working to create rumors of an imminently available new "video iPod," apparently in an effort to try to get iPod buyers to hold off on their purchases and perhaps consider the Zune."

    That doesn't make any sense at all. If Murphey is trying to get people more interested in Zune and wanting to buy a Zune, why would he suggest that a new iPod is coming out. This would actually make people considering a Zune potentially abort that purchase waiting for Apple to produce an iPod with WiFi or something similar.

    Much of the accusation in that 'article' is logically weak like this one and actually supplies nothing but pure speculation.

    That crap aside, nobody is going to kill the iPod, it's a behemoth now.
  • by SewersOfRivendell ( 646620 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @11:10AM (#16823544)
    RoughlyDrafted [...] also calls out what they called a "Digg Fraud Campaign"


    Pot, meet kettle [googlepages.com].
  • by bealzabobs_youruncle ( 971430 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @11:23AM (#16823686)
    has been very heavily promoted via astro-turfing. Every BETA and RC release of Vista was followed within an hour or so with 2-4 articles explaining why it was great and apologizing for it's lack of features. Some were from legit news outlets, others fan sites and blogs, but the quantity and timing felt forced to me. I see the same thing with Zune; I keep seeing articles telling me it's an iPod killer but then explaining why it's deficiencies are not only acceptable, but a benefit to me as a consumer??

    I think this will work with the OS as poeple don't really try to understand how their PC works, but I question this dethroning the simplicity and popularity of the iPod and iTMS combo.

    I will also point out the obvious that MS has seeded quite a few landscapers here on Slashdot lately, but I'm sure one will come along soon and prove my point...

  • Kill the iPod? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mmzplanet ( 904697 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @11:27AM (#16823754)
    Microsoft is not even challenging the most popular of the iPod lineup. Seeing that the iPod nano is the most popular of the iPod lineup (even without video).... how exactly is the Zune an iPod killer? The Zune is not a killer to anything until MS has a device to challenge the tiny iPod Nano and iPod Shuffle. One device is not going to "kill" iPod, or even hurt it.
  • XOBX HUEG (Score:5, Interesting)

    by CharAznable ( 702598 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @11:28AM (#16823756)
    Checked one out yesterday, the 60's Soviet looking shit-brown one. The screen is gorgeous but the unit itself is OMG XOBX HUEG. What's with Microsoft and huge hardware? It is too big and bulky to be carried in my pocket.
  • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @11:40AM (#16823906)
    The problem with the Zune is unfortunately that it will be compared to the iPod. On it's own the Zune seems to be a decent enough MP3 player. To differentiate from the iPod, MS has put in some interesting features. To me though, these features all have caveats. For example, MS is marketing that the Zune has wireless. Technically true but it's not wireless like you'd expect in a laptop. Really, it's limited wireless sharing with another Zune. It plays video but you can't really buy any from Zune marketplace right now. It's got a bigger screen but has the same resolution as an iPod so your pictures are larger because the pixels are larger. It's got the same capacity as the 30GB iPod but you can't use it as a portable harddrive. And so on. I'm not buying it because there are no killer features that I really want. I feel sorry for those who don't research these things and end up with a player that doesn't do what they thought it would do.
  • by sunderland56 ( 621843 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @11:56AM (#16824126)
    You're confusing removable with user removable. The iPod's battery is certainly removable; Apple stores will swap in a new battery for a fixed price.

    There are several advantages of a soldered-in battery. The iPod can be made smaller (no need for a battery holder) and lighter. The case can be better sealed. And there is no chance that a bump to the iPod will interrupt playback by interrupting battery voltage - important to those that wear the iPod while exercising.

    Basically, a better user experience for three years, with slightly higher battery replacement cost at the end.
  • by nieske ( 998571 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @12:01PM (#16824168) Homepage
    A guy who went to Best Buy and wanted to order a Zune, actually took it home right away [flx-tech.net] and posted his pictures online [flickr.com]. He did get an unexplained system error [flx-tech.net] though.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 13, 2006 @12:08PM (#16824268)
    Not specifically with Digg, but the numerous blogs that spin a story to shed Sony and the PS3 in the worst possible light. Take an original article, one which lists positive and negative sides of the PS3, and blog about the negative. Another blog links to the negative blog and paraphrases the negative story. Soon you have a disproportionate ratio of blogs that take a negative spin to the article, compared to the article itself. They spam Google News, since Google News cites blogs as sources. It's not surprising that since Microsoft is often the biggest advertiser of many sites, that they hold tremendous influence in the "reporting" of these blogs. Blogging has long been recognized by Microsoft as a way to attack competition, even while seeming to be neutral.
  • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @12:17PM (#16824376)
    Remember the Switch campaign from Apple? Apple got real people to get on TV to tell why they switched to Macs. The campaign worked because it was from genuine people. Microsoft tried to do the exact same thing but it backfired terribly when someone noticed that the picture of the first Microsoft "switcher" was a stock photo. Was there a real person that switched? There may have been but the method of how MS did it was so underhanded that it immediated discredited their whole campaign.
  • by bunions ( 970377 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @12:29PM (#16824554)
    Like IBM.
  • by 2nd Post! ( 213333 ) <gundbear@pacbe l l .net> on Monday November 13, 2006 @12:56PM (#16824924) Homepage
    Are you sure you're right? The iPod, 5gb, was released in October of 2001. I do believe your Archos FM Recorder was released in October of 2002, nearly a year later. Apple wasn't the first, but it was a pioneer in several things that the Archos did not pick up on until later:
    Size (smaller is better)
    Hi speed serial interface(USB2 or Firewire)
    Simple user interface (5 buttons instead of Archos' 10)

    Your Archos is actually a year younger than the oldest iPod, at my estimation.

    The iPod did something that Archos has copied with it's Gmini line... there is no way of avoiding that comparison.
  • Zune logo agreement (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 13, 2006 @01:27PM (#16825368)
    Check this out: http://www.scripting.com/2006/11/12.html#When:9:52 :06AM [scripting.com]
    Apparently if you want to do some cross promotion with Microsoft, you have to agree to not make disparaging remarks about Microsoft or the Zune. It will be interesting to see which websites are willing to be muzzled in order to get some traffic.

    Bravo to Andrew Baron of Rocketboom for not selling out.

    -ec
  • Re:Not a big intro (Score:4, Interesting)

    by santos_douglas ( 633335 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @02:46PM (#16826524) Journal
    Ran across a Zune endcap display at a local Target. Backlight was set to immediately turn off making it impossible to use until I switched it to stay on permanently. After playing with it a while, found the UI acceptable if a bit unintuitive. Like others have noted, I was shocked at the bulk of the thing. No prices listed, I guess because it wasn't actually available for sale yet, which also seemed a bit odd. The feature list, which presumably is meant to entice buyers, read more like a Top 10 Lift of reasons not to buy. A 30 GB portable hard drive that you can't use as a portable hard drive...WTF?! I've never seen such a disaster waiting to happen.
  • by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF ( 813746 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @04:25PM (#16828024)

    This goes back to simple capitalistic theory, with competition being good for the consumer. Two major corporations in control of the vast majority of the market, fighting to make the better product. This is an unusual viewpoint here on slashdot, but honestly, so long as they stick to bettering each other through competition rather than belittling each other, I'm all for it.

    That would be nice, but I wouldn't count on it. Microsoft does not believe in playing fair. They have already tied their player to the Windows OS monopoly via a proprietary format and the WMP software. So while two companies competing for the market is great, don't count on it to last. Once MS manages a "good enough" player it will take the market regardless of whether or not it is innovative or even as good as the iPod. Apple's dominance may hold them off for a while, but not forever. And with the fall of the iPod, digital music and DRM will be dominated by Microsoft for the foreseeable future.

    When one company decides to launch whole hearted smear campaigns rather than improve their product, or, even worse, decides it's more cost effective to buy out the competition, that's where I get worried, and in honesty, most major corporations have done one, if not both.

    Neither of these bother me so long as the advertising is not factually incorrect, but portrayed as such. The free market and our society can and does deal with misleading ads and buyouts. What it can't deal with is antitrust abuse when the justice department looks the other way.

  • Re:Not a big intro (Score:3, Interesting)

    by santos_douglas ( 633335 ) on Monday November 13, 2006 @08:18PM (#16831710) Journal
    That's a fair point, its not really a "must have" feature on a music player. My thinking on it though, is that everything about the player involves decisions MS actively made to exclude or restrict features, where one would think they would want to give the consumer as many features and content as possible. Ultimately it is a portable hard drive, that also happens to have the ability to play music and videos. The act of taking away its ability to store any file you want is a conscious act of exclusion to the detriment of the consumer. It doesn't cost anything to allow open storage, if anything it costs more to exclude the function. For every feature it has, there's a little footnote about how that feature is restricted. Its got wifi, thats great, they trumped the iPod, how innovative of MS...but wait, it doesn't actually do anything any consumer would actually want wifi for.

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