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The Information Factories Are Here 126

prostoalex writes, "Wired magazine has coined a new term for the massive data centers built in the Pacific Northwest by Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo! Cloudware is, ironically, a return of the centralized data and bandwidth power houses caused by the decentralized and distributed nature of the Internet. George Gilder thinks we're witnessing something monumental: 'According to Bell's law, every decade a new class of computer emerges from a hundredfold drop in the price of processing power. As we approach a billionth of a cent per byte of storage, and pennies per gigabit per second of bandwidth, what kind of machine labors to be born? How will we feed it? How will it be tamed? And how soon will it, in its inevitable turn, become a dinosaur?'"
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  • by BadAnalogyGuy ( 945258 ) <BadAnalogyGuy@gmail.com> on Friday November 10, 2006 @12:58AM (#16791274)
    When we look at our current situation, we see that we have data 'here' and data 'there'. When we want to have more data, we need to go 'there' to bring the data 'here' for viewing. In the most extreme (and common) case, the data is only temporarily copied from 'there' to 'here' and once we are done with the data it is deleted from 'here'.

    The future will eliminate that differentiation. Data will not be 'here' or 'there'. Rather, it will be. Data will simply exist and we will access it as if it were immediately 'here' all the time.

    It will take quite a bit more technology to make this a reality, but the Internet is the first baby step away from separation of data repository and the user. Now, users can access data 'there' on a browser which is 'here' with a few keystrokes. In the future, this action of 'getting' data will be eliminated completely.

    How I think that will occur is neither here nor there, but I guarantee that this is what will happen.
  • yeah... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by bostonsoxfan ( 865285 ) on Friday November 10, 2006 @01:03AM (#16791296)
    I think that the Data center will eventually go the way of the dodo, or at least these massive data centers. We have all heard of Google's, and I think it is Sun who are trying to create, or have created portable data centers. How long is it before there is one in every town. Just like Starbucks or McDonald's. They are going to be able to serve up anything, tv, applications super quick because the latency is so slow. Also they aren't economical, they require tons of energy, cooling, personnel. One of these portable data centers probably will need one guy to check on it, maybe not even that, through remote diagnostics and redundancy built into the system, they might be able to afford to just have a couple guys service hundreds of them. I won't need to clog the pipes to search for something or read my email because it is in Washington, rather it is just going to be a short hop or two away from me. Increasing speed, decreasing overall bandwidth use and being good for the consumer. http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/18/suns-project-bl ackbox-datacenter-in-a-container/ [engadget.com]
  • death of copyrights (Score:5, Interesting)

    by argoff ( 142580 ) * on Friday November 10, 2006 @01:16AM (#16791346)
    What is going to happen, or what is happening, is that the service value of information is exceeding the content value of information, and will continue to do so at a greater rate from now on. The information age is doing to information services what the industrial revolution did for production. Eventually, information restrictions like copyrights will be such an incredible and annoying hinderence on providing information services that the financial pressure to kill them will become unbearable.
  • by 80 85 83 83 89 33 ( 819873 ) on Friday November 10, 2006 @01:26AM (#16791376) Journal
    the saying goes that computing power doubles every 24 months. but i have found that in the real world, the number is closer to 30 months.

    the benchmark: Content Creation Winstone 2000. it works out all the parts of a pc.

    (under windows 2000):

    (introduced in May 1997)
    intel pentium II 300Mhz
    score: 15

    (introduced in Oct 1999)
    intel pentium III 733Mhz
    score: 30

    thats 29 months to double

    under windows 98SE:

    april 1998
    intel pentium II 400Mhz
    score: 19.5

    nov 2000
    intel pentium 4 1500Mhz
    score: 42

    thats 31 months to double

    OUTLOOK FOR NEXT FIFTY YEARS
    (for thirty month performance doubling rate):

    in 30 months: TWICE the performance.
    in 60 months: FOUR TIMES the performance. ...
    in 25 years we will have ONE THOUSAND times the performance.
    and, in 50 years we will have ONE MILLION TIMES THE PERFORMANCE!!!!!!!


    will that finally be enough to make our computers as smart as we are? how many watts of electricity will it consume?

    CPUmark99 doubling:
    24 months

    sysmark 2000 double time: 27 months

    ccwinstone04 double times 30 months
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 10, 2006 @01:34AM (#16791392)
    That's what I'm concerned about. We already have problems supplying human society with enough electricity. These data centers are being situated near power centers like the hydroelectric dams of the Pacific Northwest.

    How long will it be until we start running into dilemmas concerned with whether data centers or people have priority over available electricity?

    Has this already happened?

    Once the economy cannot operate without the data centers, do we reach a scenario where keeping the data centers running must have priority over supplying electricity to homes?

    At what point do the machines decide that instead of competing with humans for power, humans would make a useful power source?

    (hm, interesting..."please type the word in this image: 'autonomy' ")
  • by MarkWatson ( 189759 ) on Friday November 10, 2006 @01:45AM (#16791422) Homepage
    ... but I have not used them yet. My plans are to use EC2 for occasional machine learning or neural network training runs instead of tying up my own computers. I wrote about this on my AI blog (http://artificial-intelligence-theory.blogspot.co m/2006/08/using-amazons-cloud-service-for.html) a while back.

    In general, I think that it makes sense to "outsource" basic infrastructure. I used to run my own servers, but after figuring the costs for electricity, bandwidth, and hardware costs, I switched to leasing two managed virtual servers - paying for the CPU, memory, and bandwidth resources that I need. I view Amazon's EC2 service the same way: when I need a lot of CPU time over a short time interval, simply buy it.
  • by dch24 ( 904899 ) on Friday November 10, 2006 @01:49AM (#16791438) Journal
    the service value of information is exceeding the content value of information
    Eventually, information restrictions like copyrights will be such an incredible and annoying hinderence on providing information services that the financial pressure to kill them will become unbearable.
    I think you've got it. The Ask Slashdot - How Do You Make a Profit While Using Open Source? [slashdot.org] - is demonstrating the same thing: Open Source software is one more way in which the service value of having all the source code outweighs the value of executing the code.

    Whether it's the MPAA/RIAA, or Microsoft, the meteor has hit the ground. The dinosaurs that cannot adapt may make a lot of noise in their death throes, but they will fade into irrelevance.

    I think the .com crash is evidence of how poorly the mainstream understands this. Some of them talk about "Software As A Service," or "Video On Demand," but that's just commoditizing bandwidth instead of the physical media of the '90's. Open Source and Google will wipe them out by delivering more value.
    my 2 cents.

    [ Parent [slashdot.org] ]
  • by Sargeant Slaughter ( 678631 ) on Friday November 10, 2006 @03:04AM (#16791592) Homepage
    One day, about 4+ years ago, when I was working at a porn shop, this Russian computer scientist came in. He seemed pretty smart and was yakkin about optical computers and some project he had worked on in the 90's in Russia or something. Anyway, he said this would happen, the return of the paralell mainframe. He said that we were reaching the limits of current silicon and copper materials. With optical still a long way out, he said we would probably build mainframes for a while again. He also said CPUs made out of diamonds with optical high speed interfaces were the future but nobody was putting money into it (for various reasons...), and that was why he didn't have a job. He said he figured companies would be clamoring for peopel like him once the materials, like manufactured diamonds, were more readily available. I still believe him, but nobody ever listens to me when I talk about that guy. I met quite a few kewl people at the 'ole porn ship actually.
  • Re:Synonym Myths. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by SupplyMission ( 1005737 ) on Friday November 10, 2006 @03:13AM (#16791622)

    I don't know if you realize this, but the idea that dinosaurs were an incapable species is a myth?

    The dinosaur metaphor can still work!

    The big-ass meteor is a new technology that eliminates the need for data centres. Data centres will go extinct, like the dinosaurs.

    Following the meteor strike, mammal species thrive to the present day -- a newer and different technology that is better suited for the post-meteor global climate.

    :-)

  • by DeltaQH ( 717204 ) on Friday November 10, 2006 @07:06AM (#16792074)
    Just build it on a very cold place. Alaska, Norway, Siberia for example. Plenty of gas in northen Siberia for a gas fired power station too. ;-)
  • Re:I'm sorry (Score:3, Interesting)

    by oc255 ( 218044 ) <(moc.oohay) (ta) (klifklim)> on Friday November 10, 2006 @10:35AM (#16793294) Homepage
    But this is the biggest load of new age bullshit I've heard in years.

    No need to get all worked up, you'll never see it.

    I'd say with enough memory on the user's machine, there would be no concern about storing information twice. Just as a BS example, imagine they get something like atomic memory working where a sugar-cube sized device can cache all the information we have. Now imagine that we have perfected quantum teleportation (I know, I know). All data could be replicated and cached instantly and there would be no delay in keeping the massive distributed grid sync'd. In this case, I nod at the OP. The data is just here or even there. It's all just existing.

    Of course, the flipside is that tech will just complicate itself into a giant mess. And even though we have instant ISPs, we can't find the Linux driver to make our quantum modem work. Ok, so then you find the driver but the massive amount of traffic causes your 42.0 yottabyte /var parition to fill up with logs because you were running with DEBUG logging.
  • by phunctor ( 964194 ) on Friday November 10, 2006 @10:47AM (#16793432)
    If the human brain is made of matter, and matter obeys the laws of physics, what part of the physics of a human brain thinking can't be simulated? Your "proof by confident assertion" does not stand up. Don't feel bad, there's an extensive literature of distinguished philosophers attempting to make the same case.

    Prior to Wohler's synthesis of urea, NH2-CO-NH2, from ammonium isocyanate, NH4+CNO-, there was a belief that "organic" matter had a mysterious "elan vital" which distinguished it from "inorganic matter". Wohler's synthesis demonstrated the uselessness of these categories.

    Still, the idea won't die. It comes back, full of _healthy_ _natural_ _goodness_, again and again. Its persistence is itself a phenomenon worthy of ponderation. My best guess is that culturally we really haven't reconciled ourselves in our heart of hearts to the Earth not being the center of the Universe, and all the rest of the primal superstition.

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