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The U.S. Falling Behind In Broadband? 161

prostoalex writes "Michael J. Copps of the FCC has published a column in the Washington Post describing the United States' Internet disconnect as far as broadband: 'The United States is 15th in the world in broadband penetration, according to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). When the ITU measured a broader digital opportunity index (considering price and other factors) we were 21st — right after Estonia. Asian and European customers get home connections of 25 to 100 megabits per second (fast enough to stream high-definition video). Here, we pay almost twice as much for connections that are one-twentieth the speed.' To be fair in comparison, USA is 2nd in the world as far as number of broadband lines installed."
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The U.S. Falling Behind In Broadband?

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  • by Penguinisto ( 415985 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:20PM (#16788813) Journal
    Seriously - it's much easier to wire-up a nation with less square mileage, no? It's a question of logistics.

    Now someone like, say, China or Russia having incredibly high broadband penetration? That would be damned impressive.

    /P

  • Enough already (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Bullfish ( 858648 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:24PM (#16788827)
    I am not an American, but enough already. I travel the the US a lot. There is no shortage of broadband in most areas if you want it. Not everyone wants it. I have seen enough of these stories on Slashdot (and other sites) relating to poor penetration of boradband into the US last year that if I didn't know better I'd believe they were all using 14.4K dial-up. It simply ain't so...
  • Well, what then? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Dr. Eggman ( 932300 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:24PM (#16788833)
    Well, what exactly can we do to turn this kind of situation around? Whine to congress to resurrect the Broadband America Bill? I don't see that happening. "Teach them telecoms a lesson by not buying it?" It'll never happen, we don't have that kind of organization and too many groups depend on what the system does provide. So what, pray tell, do we do? I've got no idea, but plenty of complaints. How about some proactive solutions?
  • by Reason58 ( 775044 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:25PM (#16788835)
    Geographically, a single US state is as big or bigger than a lot of those countries. For example, Texas alone is 691,030 sq km, while the entire country of Japan weighs in at 377,835 sq km.

    I'm sure implementing a powerful network infrastructure would be quite a lot faster, cheaper, and easier, if everyone in America lived in Texas.
  • by SydShamino ( 547793 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:26PM (#16788849)
    In how many of those countries is the government creating the broadband infrastructure, or sponsoring it in the form of direct contracts or new monopoly grants, or in the form of an existing molopoly telecommunications giant?

    For the most part, the US has none of the above. Perhaps in this case the free market doesn't see sufficient justification for high-speed access to justify the costs, since people don't seem to know they can't live without such access until they first have it.

    I think this is a matter best handled at the local level. Either let businesses fight it out, or, if a local community considers it a useful monetary investment, let cities sponsor the broadband infrastructure. I see nothing wrong with the government creating the networks on which commerce can be done, but because the internet is such a new commerce network (compared to, say, roads), not every community will see it in the same way.
  • by piggydoggy ( 804252 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:28PM (#16788857)
    To hit every one of the 100 homes, it would take 1.3 to 2.6 miles of cable (depending on cable location). In a European city, this same amount of cable could easily cover 2-10X the # of families living in typical apartments/condos.

    But lower population density doesn't actually matter that much, since not only aren't there any marked differences with regards to suburbs, but because the telephone and TV cables through which to offer broadband are already installed. Few people live in ranches 30 miles from the nearest center of civilization, where the population density is pronounced and acquiring a broadband connection could actually be a problem.

  • Monopoly in Areas (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Jawood ( 1024129 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:37PM (#16788919) Journal
    Too few of us have broadband connections, and those who do pay too much for service that is too slow

    That is becuase in many areas, there is only one (i.e. local monopoly), provider of broadband. In in some cases, those providers are telling their customers that they have to pay for their other services whether their customers want them or not. In other words, they're going to charge you an extra, say, $50 a month for service that may not even want.

    Government regulation is usually good for businesses because it keeps the competition away and it helps comanies keep their prices high - broadband is a fine example of this.

  • No Excuse (Score:5, Insightful)

    by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF ( 813746 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:39PM (#16788945)

    Every time this topic is discussed, I hear the same excuses. Mostly, people claim that the US is too large and with too many rural areas. It's a load of crap. We've paid billions subsidizing the laying of lines, more per person than numerous other countries and we still have much slower and more expensive service than those countries. Sweden has been the model of how to do this right. Despite government corruption and favoritism on par with the US, they have managed almost complete saturation, for less per-person government subsidy, and with a population density almost the same as the US.

    The truth is, the US has combined the worst elements of several models. We don't have a free market to drive competition because of local telcom monopolies and failure of the FCC to enforce fair use. We don't have the benefits of central planning and widespread coverage of a socialist system, because the government just hands out money in subsidies and then does not even blink when that money does not go to the projects we were supposedly funding in the first place. So we get crappy coverage and service and high prices.

    The US has high labor costs, declining manufacturing, and not a lot of unique industry. The information economy and exporting intellectual property may be our best option for maintaining a real role as an economic powerhouse. For that to happen we need two things, education, and technology. We shouldn't be 5th in broadband or 10th, we should be 1st. That two trillion dollars we blew in Iraq would have run a fiber connection and provided free internet connections to every house in the US for years to come. Heck, just the money we spent already subsidizing telecoms would have provided a fast connection to every home if we'd actually just spent it on that instead of giving it away to monopolists.

    Have you seen China's network backbone diagrams? They have a beautiful three tiered full mesh that came out of a textbook. I know there is a lot of prejudice against socialist projects in the US, but we're falling behind very quickly. We either need internet and phone networks treated as a public utility and run by the government or we need to remove the local monopolies, stop politicians from taking the telecoms bribes, and have a real competitive market with equally huge subsidies given to any new players that want to build a complete competing network.

    The time has come. Suck it up and invest in the future of the US with hard cash and reforms, or be left behind the rest of the world. Most Americans are blind to how some other countries are now technologically superior. How their gadgets work everywhere and are more advanced than anything sold here. his needs to be corrected now.

  • We really do suck (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ahnteis ( 746045 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:41PM (#16788959)
    Compare us to Japan? How about to Canada. You know, that huge country just to our north with similar... well, almost everything.

    An easier comparison? Compare our big cities to theirs. We still lose. By a LOT.

    And then remember that WE (the tax payers) gave them $200,000,000,000 for broadband deployment.
  • by Beryllium Sphere(tm) ( 193358 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:41PM (#16788965) Journal
    So is the situation better in densely packed cities like New York? Or is the problem that the incumbent carriers are dogs in the manger?
  • by marcybots ( 473417 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:44PM (#16788983)
    If I have a 100 million people in my country and 10% of them have broadband, that is equvalent of 100% of a country of 10 million people having broadband...that means nothing. The united states is a very large country with a very large population. As a statistics professor, Its not "being fair" to mention installed lines, thats like comparing the murder rate in a city with 10 million with 15 murders to a city with 100,000 with 10 murders and saying the city with 100,000 is safer because their are less murders 33.3% fewer murders!
  • 2nd in the world (Score:3, Insightful)

    by overshoot ( 39700 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @05:58PM (#16789105)
    Yeah -- and we're also the world's third-most-populous country.

    Somehow it doesn't sound nearly so comforting put that way, does it?

  • by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF ( 813746 ) on Thursday November 09, 2006 @06:09PM (#16789197)

    ... if I'm not mistaken, China may have added far more broadband lines, but those are federally funded - you know, the whole socialist thing - and heavily censored, at that. It wouldn't surprise me if, in nearly all countries that beat the US in broadband penetration, those connections are supported much more by taxes than here in the US.

    That might have some weight if the US had not spent over 200 billion subsidizing our broadband internet development over the last few years. The US has spent a great deal more in taxes, per person, than countries that have completely free networks via socialist programs.

  • Rural? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by vidarh ( 309115 ) <vidar@hokstad.com> on Thursday November 09, 2006 @08:06PM (#16789879) Homepage Journal
    I live in a county with a population density of 71/(sq. mile) in southern indiana. my nearest neighbor is about 1/2mi away and the nearest stoplight is 12mi away.

    That works out to ca 27 people per square kilometre, or about TWICE the density of Norway - a country with broadband offerings that are far better than most of the US...

    Americans tend to compare USA to densely populated Central European nations to complain about how rural the US is whenever cellphone coverage, broadband or public transport is brought up. But there appears to be a tendency to ignore the fact that this somehow isn't an issue for Norway, Sweden etc. that have far lower population densities.

    In fact, only 12 US states have population densities below that of Norway, and their total population is about 17 million.

  • by OldHawk777 ( 19923 ) * <oldhawk777&gmail,com> on Friday November 10, 2006 @04:42PM (#16798348) Journal
    Salvance,

    This sounds like the typical Democrat and/or Republican spin/BS.
    I know some times there are MS hired-guns on /..

    Are you a USA Telco/Cable wideband service hired-gun that tells US citizens the wideband is broadband?

    The US telecommunication infrastructure is very ducked up just as the ITU and other reports have been stating for the past decade.

    Telcos software/service patch/package and area-code/subscriber databases upgrades are as directed more than as needed. So, even wire-call miss-routing, phantom-rings, disconnects ... have been on the increase for the past decade.

    Also, the telco and cable companies working with congress have delayed or prevented new technologies from entering the USA market, and holding customers hostage to one provider at obscene prices. Neither democracy or capitalism functions in the USA ... it is all about SFI (Special Ducking Interest) and the citizens [AKA: public] are feed spin&BS as the cause for fraud and treason.

    What happened to Wireless local loop, 802.16 WiMax, ...?

    Why have USA Cities/communities trying to provide all their citizens with Internet access (including the poor) via WiFi (802.11*) been taken to court by the telco and cable companies to prevent any improvements for public citizens' Internet access?

    Why can I get COMCAST but not DirectTV service ...?

    IOWs Don't drucken lie to US like the politicians. US ain't idiots or your cockless bitches, and mamma can kick-ass too on ....

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