Why Apple Can't Get Movie Content 132
An anonymous reader writes "This article analyzes Apple's negotiations with record companies and movie studios. It explains why Apple's preferences are aligned with those of consumers. Using a software model, it concludes that the iTunes Movie Store currently doesn't have the software/hardware lock-in that forced the music industry to agree to Apple's terms for the Music Store."
Yes, Choice is Lacking (Score:2)
The problem is that I have already run out of movies that I want to buy from iTunes. They need a library of 100X more in order to get a critical mass of users. If that doesn't happen, and soon, I will find another way to get viewable content onto m
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No TV shows, No movies, just a selection of music videos...
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But my problem is more the pricing model, I don't see the value in it considering its inferior resolution, the selection, time to download, and so forth. I am far less likely to spend $10-$15 on a movie I am not sure about vs. the $2 I frequently shell out for a TV show or short I haven't seen bef
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Plus Apple has to compete with NetFlix, Blockbuster, and other companies that
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this is something we didn't know? (Score:4, Interesting)
So what would slashdotian's prefer to see? Apple make compromises and let in the companies that are twisting it's arm, or Apple to stand it's ground and watch the movie store sink?
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Whether you intended it or not, that is the best play on words I've ever seen. Hat's off to you! (if I could mod you, I would)
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Since the introduction of the 5G iPod there hasn't been any video for sale in the iTunes store for just about anyone outside the US. I'd therefore rather have Apple focus on improving the hardware than making life hard for users that want to put their own content onto an iPod (and this includes content created with different too
"Apple's preferences are aligned with consumers" (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:"Apple's preferences are aligned with consumers (Score:4, Funny)
Oh those bastards at Apple.
Apples and Oranges... (Score:2)
Apple knows exactly what you bought and allowing you to download it again would cost them a few cents per download. (which they could easily charge for and make a buck; "upgrade for just $1.99!")
Not having *anything* in place for upgrades or replacements of lost downloads is a farce in the internet age; you already own a license, why should you pay for that part again?
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Besides, I never said the cost was zero; just that you should have to pay for the cost of getting the upgrade and not f
Isn't that the record labels fault? (Score:1)
Blame the labels not Apple if this is true and I would not doubt it for a second.
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I am not trying to blame anyone in this as I don't have the facts, I am just blaming the system.
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You are not having an argument here, but rather a misunderstanding.
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To help you understand the problem, Amazon lets you download the same file as many times as you want. If they upgraded (remove old file, replace with better file) their catalog with better versions of the
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What's with having to buy a new version of software that comes out. I already have a license to the software, so why can't I just upgrade the new version for free.
Deal with it. Was it worth it when you bought it? You bought it, so it must have been. Just because a new version came out does not mean you should get a free upgrade.
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All of this is pointless though, as GP's implication that "Apple's preferences are [NOT] aligned with consumers" is correct in this case.
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The GP is dealing with it. They're dealing with it by bringing it to other people's attention so that they realise exactly what they're buying and what their future options may or may not be. This allows other people (like me) to make a more informed purchase decision and may (or may not) ultimately put pressure on Apple to comply with the GP's wishes. This is one good way to "deal with it" in a free market economy. Efficient free markets require the free flow of information and people who
What about TV Shows (Score:1)
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But the moive studios are trying to keep as firm a grip as possible on the current distribution model as long as possible.
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I really don't think iTunes is really a threat to the DVD buying model. The DVD format is a threat in itself and to itself. I think DVD has been fading since Spring of 2005 when Shrek DVD sales slumped quicker than anyone expected. And that was the best selling DVD ever. It may have meant that analysts and the industry was overeager, thinking DVD would continue to grow, but there's a point where there is market saturation and so many other o
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It works very well, provided you're the type of movie fan who likes bonus discs full of extra commentaries, behind-the-scenes documentaries, and how-they-made-it effects shows that go with your favorite films.
When DVDs were first introduced, practically everybody made those bonus discs and content to go with their films (whether it was justified or not). Nowadays it's a rarity, and you're lu
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It competes against buying the DVD box set of a whole series. Selling a single song isn't practical on CD. Buying single episodes of a TV show isn't practical for DVDs. Apple will always have that disadvantage trying to sell movies online. They can't even include the extras usually included on a DVD. Movies are much more sensitive to quality than TV shows. That's why peo
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Because they know that if the online "tape trading" community was all leeches like you they wouldn't be able to get the shows that they missed. There has to be some give as well as take.
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Or not. By choice I have neither cable nor television and yet there are some shows I would like to see. Previously I just did without. iTunes gives me a good legal option to see tv shows without having to go out and buy the DVD's. As far as I can tell the price is about the same as DVD sets and I'd have to agree that the quality isn't quite as good, but it saves space on my DVD shelf and gives me a convenient way to keep up with ongoing shows.
FYI (Score:2)
If Apple was really aligned with consumers.... (Score:2)
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Itunes - for rich people too scared to go to shops (Score:2)
the scary hood and rent $2 dvds in crime prone districts?
Or for anti social people , or people who work too much to find the time to go
to a store to rent a dvd for $2.
In all respects, itunes is inferior to all other offerings, what do you live
50miles from a rental shop? wow huge customer base there.
DRM rentals, $1-$2 each is the MAGIC spot and will be norm in 2010.
Re:Itunes - for rich people too scared to go to sh (Score:2)
Even when it only takes 10 minutes to go to the video store there's still the problem that you might not like anything (or the video you wanted isn't available). Then you either rent something else or get the next best thing. That's not so much fun. Neither is spending 30 minutes in the video store trying to pick something.
Videos are supposed to be relaxing. People have a low threshold for hassle on something that's supposed to be hassle free.
Picking up the videos is not and never has been the wo
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That's cause you are not going far enough into a ghetto. (Obviously you didn't read GPP careful enough!) You need to find a place where there are a lot of drive by shootings. That way you can save $$$ on videos. Plus, you pick up some crack while you are there and maybe even a ho (or is that "hoe"?)
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Re:Itunes - for rich people too scared to go to sh (Score:2)
Netflix - the answer for social recluses! If you can get past that whole fear-of-the-mailman part, that is.
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If what you said was true... (Score:2)
As it stands, Apple's DRM itself and the actual functional DRM restrictions are (by far) the least obtrusive to customers among all online stores legally selling mainstream copyrighted content in the US marketplace (and others).
Also, you can watch the video content on your TV, via:
- Hooking any video iPod directly up to a TV with the A/V cable (composite video + analog audio)
- Hooking any video iPod directly up to a TV via the iPod dock (S-video or composite video +
Entirely incorrect on one point. (Score:2)
In reality. Allofmp3 has stolen nothing. There are copyright problems as you mentioned, but it is extremely misleading to link them with theft.
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That I can almost stomach. Almost. But then selling it for a profit with none of the correct amount of compen
Oops, an extra step 3 (Score:2)
It's not up for debate (Score:2)
"But then selling it for a profit with none of the correct amount of compensation going
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Embezzlement involves depriving a company of their money. If it did not, it would be m
Is infringement 'stealing'? (Score:2)
So, we should restrict ourselves to a more formal definition. All of the relevant definitions for stealing I've found essentially defer to the definition of theft.
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Breaking free from DVD (Score:2)
1. I don't have to watch the %%&^#$@!#$$^ FBI warning. For heaven's sake - the people who BOUGHT the DVD don't need the warning. It's the pirates who don't read or care about it. It's like carping to the people who show up on time to meetings about the onse who arrive late!
2. I don't have to watch whatever commercials the content producer shoves down my throat.
3. I don't have to fiddl
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I was part of an opinion poll that was fairly obviously from Apple. I told them that.
I basically said that if it has DRM, it's a rental, because you can take it away from me at any time. Therefore it has to be priced like a rental. The iTMS is competing with Netflix and Blockbuster, not purchased DVDs from a store.
If they had DVD
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Yes, I do. For a very simple and sensible reason. If there were no DRM there would be no legal content of this sort. I have no interest in illegally downloading media, and I know the studios would never offer their content DRM free. So DRM gives me a legal method to obtain the content I want. And in reality I have had very few problems due to DRM. It allows me to do what I want to do so I can't ask for more.
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So Apple's preferences are really aligned with those of the customers. They'd be more than happy to sell you DRM-free music, but they possibly just can't, because of the opposition of Big Musi
Kind of a bad comparison (Score:2)
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Not that they would ever do this, BUT... (Score:2)
It might make for some interesting times.
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/262954 [ourmedia.org]
Sayings - Deterred Bahamian Novel.
In progress, watch it being written daily in ##zotz on irc.freenode.net
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I am assuming that you get "copyleft" mind you.
I know, I know, but I am sometimes willing to run that risk.
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/85937 [ourmedia.org]
Tings -Anuddah BahamiaN Novel
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Second, why not take a little chance and try and answer my original question? As I say, you may find some thoughts/answers to your question in the answers to mine.
Hint, it is not so much about recovering production costs as it is a possible increase in their bottom line. Right? It will not hurt if things are very indirect, will it?
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourm [ourmedia.org]
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Why not give a shot at actually answering the question? It might be worth it.
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/187924 [ourmedia.org]
Bahamian Nonsense
Where did the graph come from? (Score:2)
Or did he just make some up?
The music graph and the video graph have identical data points.
What are the X and Y axes?
The red dot looks like it is at (369, 99).
$.99 is the iTunes retail price.
What is 369?
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Most wall-street mumbo-jumbo graphs have large arrows on axes, like "Better" pointing to north and "Worse" pointing south. And stuff like "Cheaper" towards west and "Costly" to East. And amorphous amoeba like blobs with different colours strewn there with labels like "Buyers' Marker" "Seller's Market" etc.
So this suit decides to put some real numbers on the axes like the real scientists and engineers do. And actually plot
Is it Math or Just pretty art? (Score:2)
The author's explanation: "A short explanation: the graph shows all efficient contracts (those where no contract exists that is better for both pa
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Article (Score:2)
Apple had an 80% market share of MP3 player hardware, and only offered their own proprietary format AAC for DRM (since MP3 has none). So studios had to concede to Apple's demands if they wanted any DRM control over their media on Apple hardware. Thus Apple was able to provide a better deal for consumers in that arena. Apple has no such leverage with the movie studios.
I left out a confusing explanation of BATNA, lots of banter like "I could buy movi
Good PR? (Score:2)
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Why digital distubution for Movies will win in tim (Score:3, Interesting)
I've bought a few albums off itunes recently. I don't like the DRM hassles, and I like CDs. Here is why.
Selection. The last 3 CDs I bought I checked 3 record stores and 1 big box chain. They had none. Itunes had them. Itunes had them, and I got them for cheaper and in less time than if they were at the store. The tradeoff is a slight quality degradation and that DRM. I burn them to audio CDs anyway as one backup so I don't care. I miss the packaging but some CDs you buy online come with PDFs of the liner notes.
Itunes has lots of music and never runs out (I don't think it can.... Maybe bandwidth could kill the site). Any online sales of music have these advantages.
This is why ultimately I choose to buy online.
Movies will eventually come around for the same reason. Selection. Now only if we could get bigger pipes (and not clogged pipes) to get these movies faster..
Re:Why digital distubution for Movies will win in (Score:2)
Also do you really care if they take all night to download a movie wh
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I'm going to disagree with you here, at least if you consider your competition rentals and not purchases. When people want to watch a movie, they want to watch it now, or at least that evening. Downloading kiosks are an interesting idea, but I'm not sure they have enough of an advantage over the current rental system to make it worthwhile. What people really want is to push a button in their living and instantly start watching. A minute delay whi
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Intro to Business (Score:3, Informative)
The Osbourne Effect (Score:1)
It's strange they chose this tactic, since it drove Osbourne into the ground. When you promise something great, pe
Re: 2.5 inch screen (Score:2)
you also mention:
"I have no desire to squint at a 2.
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If iTV can hit a fantastic price/quality/interface/buzzword level where Apple can sell 100's of 1000's, iTunes movies will matter.
If they can't sell the iTV to tons of people, iTunes movies won't matter.
That's all there is to is.
I think that Apple pre-announced this (something they never do) because they were afraid some other mover was going to pre-announce something. Or they were afraid everyone
Batna Shmatna... (Score:2)
From what source data does he derive these so-called BATNA charts? I'm a financial analyst responsible for revenue analysis and forecasting of over $250 million and what I see here is no clothes, no emperor... just a straw man argument.
His definition of BATNA is extremely arbitrary in the sense that one has to accept what HE defines as Best Alternative to even believe the graph's imaginary plots and quadra
customers? (Score:2)
My MacBook Pro has a region-locked DVD drive - the first such that I've encountered in years. No workaround on the 'net as well, because it's in the firmware.
Doesn't sound like consumer alignement to me, sorry.
does no one remember iTV? (Score:2)
I don't think you'll hear much about Apple's Movie Store plans until the iTV is released next year. That's where their strategy is headed. I'd bet dollars to donuts they'll have tons of movies and TV content available when this sucker comes out. If not, they will within a year after all the movie studios start drooling over its success with TV show downloads.
Alternatively, I could just look back on this comment in a year's time and be laughing at myself for being so wrong...
Also the DRM quality (Score:2)
Apple also has a pricing conundrum on their hands. 99 cents is a great price for a song for everybody. I'm going to download it quickly, listen to it over and over and over, hundreds of times in the next decade or so, qualit
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Sorry, Apple someone already did ITV (Score:2)
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