Upgrading to Ubuntu Edgy Eft a "Nightmare" 529
Reports are flooding in to Ubuntu's Installation & Upgrades forum from people having myriad problems with their upgrades. One user described it as a 'nightmare.' Users are producing detailed descriptions of problems but getting little help. This thread has mixed reports and is possibly the most interesting read. Many people report that straightforward upgrades of relatively mundane systems go well, but anything the least bit interesting seems not to have been accounted for, like software RAID, custom kernels, and Opera. Even the official upgrade method doesn't work for everyone, including crashes of the upgrade tool in the middle of installing, leaving systems unbootable, no longer recognizing devices (like the console keyboard!), reduced performance, X server crashes, wireless networking problems, the user password no longer working, numerous broken applications, and many even stranger things. Some of this is fairly subjective, with Kubuntu being a bit more problematic than Ubuntu, with reports that Xubuntu seems to have the worst problems, and remote upgrades are something you don't even want to try. Failed upgrades invariably require a complete reinstall. The conclusion from the street, about upgrading to Edgy, is a warning: If you're going to try to take the plunge, be sure to make a backup image of your boot partition before starting the upgrade. Your chances of having the upgrade be a total failure are high. If you're really dead-set on upgrading, you'll save yourself a lot of time and headache by backing up all of your personal files manually and doing a fresh install (don't forget to save your bookmarks!).
Network problem. (Score:2, Interesting)
It's called Edgy for a reason... (Score:4, Interesting)
However, when I tried to get Beryl working, X got broken and I had to reconfigure it manually. I blame it on Nvidia for not opening up the source though. Kudos to everyone involved in Ubuntu, you did a great job!
Gentoo is why I switched to Ubuntu! (Score:3, Interesting)
Jesus people, stop your whining (Score:1, Interesting)
In my experience upgrading works like a charm. Now this doesn't mean that it works for anybody of course, but reading those blogs and forum posts it's clear that most of the problems are homemade.
For one, people simply don't use the official way to update their system. Instead they blindly edit their sources.list, then run into problems and take hours and hours to complain about them on their blogs and in forums when all they had to do was take the 10 seconds it takes to read the instructions.
Further, most of the problems occur because people blindly installed outside, unstable packages without knowing what they were doing or being able to fix the problems that might occur.
Just think of all the people that used XGL, AIGLX, compiz, etc on dapper.
The change no-one mentioned: bash-dash (Score:5, Interesting)
So if the scripts you write are going to be used on Eft, you have to either drop a lot of functionality, or tell users to replace #!/bin/sh with #!/bin/bash (which, of course, only works on Eft; it's
A bit of a reckless move for a bit of extra speed. It would have been more respectable if the Ubuntu team had worked on optimizing bash instead of going for a crippled, but faster, shell.
Please keep in mind... (Score:2, Interesting)
It had a very short development cycle (only 4 months, because of dapper's delay).
It was supposed to be 'edgy' and an unstable entry point for future next-gen Ubuntu releases.
It's not even available in Shipit!
Dapper is recommended for a casual user, Edgy is for a little more advanced users, who know what to do when something breaks.
So while your opinions are very welcome, don't blame Ubuntu guys for screwing up the distro. It's just the way it was planned to be
Cheers!
Re:Gentoo is why I switched to Ubuntu! (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh, indeed. I have a
Powerbook, 100% up to date against Edgy Eft. Total time spend fixing upgrade bugs: 5 minutes.
Workstation, 100% up to date against Dapper Drake. Total time spent fixing upgrade bugs: 2 minutes.
Home server, 100% up to date against Gentoo. Total time spent fixing upgrade bugs: 966,352 subjective years.
Despite that there are many reasons to use Gentoo instead of Kubuntu - after all if you wanted the easy life you wouldn't be using Linux in the first place.
Re:User had a non-standard setup (Score:3, Interesting)
Consider Them Lucky... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:I just did a dapper-edgy upgrade... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:The change no-one mentioned: bash-dash (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:This *IS* linux folks.... (Score:3, Interesting)
This approach is a compromise - your old and new installs are guaranteed to work (as much as any new install is!) since there's no sharing of any system files, but you do then have to reinstall anything outside of
This should inspire more Windows user migration (Score:3, Interesting)
via apt (`sed -i "s/dapper/edgy/"
All of this talk about average desktop users finding such things in some way mysterious or intimidating is nonsense. My grandma uses more complex command lines in her gingerbread recipe.
Re:It's been out, what, three days? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:ubuntu is not debian stable (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Wrong attitude (Score:2, Interesting)