New Campaign Tactic - Google Bombing 252
jeian writes "My Direct Democracy, a liberal group blog, is trying out a new campaign tactic — Google bombing. From the New York Times article: 'Searching Google for Peter King, the Republican congressman from Long Island, would bring up a link to a Newsday article headlined King Endorses Ethnic Profiling.' Google's policy has typically been to not intervene and let the algorithms work by themselves, but could this change if Google-bombing becomes a common tactic?"
Miserable Failure is the classic example (Score:5, Informative)
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The first rule of the Google bomb: you must talk about the bomb.
The second rule of the Google bomb: you MUST talk about the BOMB.
Well, if you insist... (Score:5, Funny)
campaign was beginning.
Peter King: What happen ?
IT guy: Somebody set us up the Googlebomb.
Secretary: We get Newsday.
Peter King: What !
. . . So, have you had enough, or must I continue?
ALL YOUR SEARCH ARE BELONG TO US (Score:3, Funny)
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Santorum - not just for breakfast anymore!
Re:Miserable Failure is the classic example (Score:5, Insightful)
By actaully using the candidates name, they have to overcome a whole lot more, all of the actual political blogs, news articles, campaign sites, etc. I don't think it will work at all.
Re:Miserable Failure is the classic example (Score:5, Insightful)
It should read:
And the web really does have a whole ton of legitimate references to illegal and immoral acts by any politican.
There's absolutely no reason to pick on one side or the other, when the entire lot of politicians are completely corrupt, stupid, and need to be tossed out altogether in favor of honest people (if there are any left).
Re:Miserable Failure is the classic example (Score:4, Insightful)
Really? Any politician? I was right with you up until the time you got all cynical on us. This could have been avoided by you saying, "And the web really does have a whole ton of legitimate references to illegal and immoral acts by many politicans." This way, you make it clear you mean a lot, but not all politicians are corrupt, unless you really can prove that the Mayor of Bogusville, Montana has a web page that points out a ligitimate reference to illegal and immoral acts by him/her.
BTW, just as a question - suppose every Democratic congressperson had gotten a speeding ticket and every Republican had been convicted of bribery - would you still make the same argument you did above? There are degrees in corruption, just as there are shades of gray. Being the party in power, I have no doubt that the Republicans, especially with the advent of Tom DeLay's K Street Project, whose very purpose was to lock Democrats away from contributions (usually the source of most corruption trouble), have racked up more than their fair share of corrupt influences over the past ten or so years.
If you really think both parties are equally bad, your cynicism is very sad and is probably leading you towards doing nothing that will ever improve the situation. On the other hand, if you're just another partisan hack but for the other side, trying to say "Everyone does it, so everyone is equally bad!" so that you can rebut the OP with an aire of non-partisan superiority, I despise you and your hypocritical little charade.
Re:Miserable Failure is the classic example (Score:4, Insightful)
I am so FRUSTRATED by people on either side claiming matter-of-factly that the OTHER guys are the immoral, illegal ones while ignoring the crimes of their own (there has been plenty by Democrats this year). You guys are essentially two battling religious factions, each with your holy books and saviors. Who's to say one holy book is any more right than the other?
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Also, I'm tired of the argument that all politicians are corrupt. Two points - the first is that I do think that it's rare for politicians to make it through the election meat grinder without comp
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Arguably, a search engine's job (google's other divisions notwithstanding) is to help you find things that you're looking for. Indexing is a means to an end, not just an end in itself.
Re:Miserable Failure is the classic example (Score:5, Insightful)
Are you serious?
The job of a web search engine is to reflect the web by determining relevancy of content. What these folks are doing isn't "changing the web." They're gaming the system by lending influence to specific search results that doesn't accurately reflect the normal relevant results presented by Google's neutral algorithms. The behavior of a small group of extremists does not accurately reflect the web any more than one black person committing a crime represents all black people; in other words, the way they're changing the web is self-serving only to them and not the web and does not accurately reflect the web.
The guy specifically calls it "search engine optimization." Now, Slashdot is often posting stories about sleazy spammers and their SEO tactics, and this itself is essentially spamming. Regardless of which political affiliation you are (this is Slashdot, so I know which direction it leans), you should be getting your message out by rationally explaining it to the folks; not by using spamming and misdirection. Tactics like this only hurt politics. Next time someone mentions the "Republican propaganda machine," I'll just point them to this article as proof that they are selectively ignoring the sleazy tactics of members of their own party.
If these guys wanted to bring attention to certain information about opposing candidates, they should do what every rational person should do which is take out a print advertisement or a TV spot and get the message to the voters. This kind of stuff reminds me of people ripping down opposing candidate posters and putting up their own. Your red car analogy doesn't fly, unless you did something like go through the neighborhood and paint everybody's car red just to point out that one guy's car was red, rather than just hanging up flyers to let people know that the friggin' car is red.
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No, they are a core group of activists changing the indexed Google results for the web, not the web itself. They are manipulating algorithms that are designed to maintain neutrality as much as possible.
This is exactly what search engine optimization is--tricking Google into pushing your re
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It took this long? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm amazed it's taken people (outside of black-hat SEO and comment spammers) this long to start with the keywords end-users are likely to start with -- in this case, the names of the candidates -- and aim them at a site expressing the desired POV, rather than the other way around.
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If the loyal opposition thinks that correlating "miserable failure" with Bush or anyone else somehow a) matters and b) has appreciable effect on the thought process of a voter, then this is a sad thing.
Not shilling for Bush here, but what a sophomoric use of talent!
How about some dispassionate critiques of the current world political situation, followed by some fresh, well-researched suggestions for where policy should go, and some non-establishment faces to implement the ideas on the ballot?
Please?
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Example: Conrad Burns [billingsgazette.net]
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The new technique, having a candidate's name bring up a damning article on them, is more potent. Around election time, people WILL start googling candidate's names to learn more about them, and they WILL stumble upon these articles, which probably make accusations that the reader mi
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Google Bombing unpopular search terms is of no importance. Making certain that when you search for "DFL" or "GOP" and it redirects to the Wikipedia definition for something negative is what they should be doing.
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I've had a LOT of people email and message me about "miserable failure", and these are typically non-technical and non-political people.
So in that respect google bombing is effective, and quite so.
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So what makes it a google-bomb? The fact that the most linked to article about the congressman is unflattering? Does that mean congressman Foley was also go
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Thought Google Had Responded (Score:3, Interesting)
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Linking by keywords is a very important aspect of how google manages to return relevant results.
The text a person uses to actually link to a site gives weight to the use of the destination site, to this end when linking we should always try to give a relevant phrase.
Linking slashdot as this [slashdot.org] is less useful than something like Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters [slashdot.org].
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Except for obvious linkfarms, which I believe google has been trying to decrease their effectiveness, google bombing is fine and ultimately will self correct for anything important.
Avoiding the Appearance of Bias (Score:5, Insightful)
If Google adjusts their code to "rectify" a politically-oriented gaming of the system, then Google would appear to many people as politically biased. "You fixed it for Johnny Blue, but you didn't fix it for Sally Red, so you must be one of them blue-state LIBeral activist fanatic type companies!" "You tweaked Sally Red's ranking but left alone Johnny Blue's sort results, so you must be one of them red-state NEOnazi NEOcon corporate welfare hack jobs!"
Re:Avoiding the Appearance of Bias (Score:4, Interesting)
In our present climate, it's impossible to avoid the appearance of bias. The word has, sadly, lost almost all meaning because of partisan wankers who use it as the default defense against one media outlet or another. "Bias," like any other broadly interpreted term in political contexts, is determined by the ideological lens through which the finger-pointers whine. By doing nothing, Google will be viewed by some (the objects of the Google-bombing) as "biased," because it did nothing to protect what they see as fair discursive practice: even if the algorithm is neutral, the uses to which it is put are not, and to Ma & Pa Kettle (remember: as a demographic, people over 50 vote more than the rest of us), who don't understand the Internet, when looking for information about politics, the appearance of neutrality is more important than actual, underlying neutrality.
On the other hand, if Google were to adjust its algorithm, or begin quashing "Google bombs," the free-speech squad would go nuts, claiming that Google's actions are quashing the freedom of expression of online lynch-mobs. The EFF would go to court. Slashdot's YRO section would be packed with cyberlibertarians bitching about censorship and bringing up the legendary, mythical (and fictional) "neutrality" of the Internet.
What fun.
all's fair in love and war (Score:5, Insightful)
however, google in a very short time has come to inhabit a very important space in the media
it is largely unregulated in the usa now (not so in other countries), but it won't stay that way for long. too many powerful interests will have too many concerns about google and its power,and google will not survive unscathed
so i say: no regulation
but my brain tells me regulation of google is coming regardless
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So, I don't really see a problem whether you get positive or negative information. They're not going to spam the top 20 pages of search results with all negative articles, and also, negative articles for some are positive for others. Example: I think racial profiling is swell, and I hate those damn hippies who oppose it!!
If they get fake articles ranked up, then I guess that could be a problem,
An informed society (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't know about everyone else but I go to Google when I need information. I don't get a clear view of what's going on in the world from the infotainment media. Googleboming interferes with that. Anyone abusing Google's algorhythms as a political tool cares more about pushing their propaganda than my right to self education. I try to keep that, disrespect for me the end user, in mind as I look through my bombed search res
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The only reason it occurs is that there is a flaw in their default search algorithm that returns result pages that don't even contain the searched phrase or words. It used to be that search engines did this basic check, and results were more relevant. However, just now, I checked altavista and lycos, and like Google, they produce inaccurate results on such searches now.
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Love.
War.
Politics.
Industry.
Commodities Trading.
Real Estate.
Sporting Events.
Academia.
Pretty much any situation where people allow ambition and greed to supercede ethics and morality is, without regulation, nasty. The minute you deregulate something, the sleaze comes crawling out of the woodwork; all it takes is a fraction of a fraction to ruin it for everyone.
The sad truth is that an individual can get very,
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This is why I'm against all of the restrictions on campaigning. Instead I support 100% transparency on money. If you want to publish an ad, all you should have to do is say "I'm __INSERT__NAME__ and have the following (non-)affiliation with Candidate X." Just transparency so the public can decide.
That's great if you restrict it to citizens instead of PACs. But PAC's have such confusing names sometimes that you really can't be sure what they're pushing.
What I'd like to see is the restriction of donat
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What about the "Foudnatio
Against Google's Policy (Score:2)
Albeit, I've only seen them do it with advertisers and corporations.
Not new... (Score:2)
This is why... (Score:3, Funny)
This is why I don't listen to radio or watch television during election season.
One might assume for the same reasons I might now stop surfing the net, but I won't for the simple reason I don't know anything about anybody or any proposition. I'll figure it all out the hours before I vote.
For those who trust the internet for information, you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. You must be cautious.
this is not the candidate candidate you should be voting for...
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3 heavily slanted "oppinion polls" on my machine is enough to get me incredibly ticked off (not to mention that all 3 were exactly the same, if you are going to use an autodialer PURGE any duplicate entries you have!).
Admitedly I never answer the house phone and don't watch TV/listen to the radio ever......
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I hate the way political surveys construct the questions, and the options for multiple choice answers, such that they'll always get the results they want, rather than what you actually think.
Do you approve of XYZ?
(A) Strongly approve.
(B) Mostly approve.
(C) No opinion.
(D) I disapprove, because I hate America.
It's never quite that blatant, but they always seem to be structured so as to discourage you from choos
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XYZ Is a horrible thing that only satenists and terrorists aprove of!
Are you infavor of it or not?
yup, does not matter to me if it is Dem/Repub/Green/Lib/whatever. I hate these tactics, and thus ignore everything about elections, exept for facts and the Daily Show
One way to fix this.... (Score:2)
If you're using quotes (Score:2)
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peter king (Score:2)
If you RTFA carefully (Score:3, Informative)
Classic Google-bomb (Score:5, Funny)
Google for Santorum (as in Rick Santorum) and you will see the funniest ever.
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Third Party (Score:2)
And while I am a Libertarian, and would love to see the Libertarian Party actually start making some ads, I would also support the developement of a couple of other parties (Green, Conservative Christian Party, etc) just so there would be more
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I agree, but not quite for the same reasons or solutions you describe.
I would like anyone who talks to their representatives to remind them that the Constitution does not mention parties at all. Whigs, republicrats, democans, greebertarians nor libereens are mentioned in the actual job description of being a representative. That relegates ALL of their party behavior to HOBBY status.
I'm paying my representative to represent ME. Her pa
too late for Civil Disobedience (Score:2)
Assuming you are a tax-paying American, then yes: we are paying for it, and (in the eyes of much of the world) we are damned.
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Except you did describe exactly what I was saying, only you specified which special interest groups you specifically have an issue with. I have an issue with ALL special interest groups, because they "divide" the populace into an "us vs them".
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Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!
(Oddly enough, a nearby city actually has a councilman running for re-election named Kang [hyperborea.org])
Disgraceful abuse of a valuable Internet service (Score:2)
Subject is my take on it. Whether it is done to pro- or demote one's merchandize or a political leader, it is still abuse and should be frowned upon and condemned.
The intended beneficiaries of the practice should speak out against it, and the victims should weight their legal options.
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Google algorithm has some issues with news (Score:2)
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How do you "game" Googles search engine? (Score:2)
Ahh.... (Score:2)
Each name is associated with one article. Those articles are embedded in hyperlinks that are now being distributed widely among the left-leaning blogosphere. In an entry at MyDD.com this week, Mr. Bowers said: "When you discuss any of these races in the future, please, use the same embedded hyperlink when reprinting the Republican's name. Then, I suppose, we will see what happens."
That's a pretty coordinated effort, but I guess that's politics.
No cuz Google's just a bunch of Liberal hippies... (Score:2)
Positive spin on 'Google bombing' (Score:2, Insightful)
Its not new (Score:2)
No surprise here... (Score:2)
primitive economy = hand-to-hand warfare
manufacturing economy = mechanized warfare
information economy = information warfare
This google-bombing competition is only the beginning.
Where are the Friends of Privacy when you need them? (I say 'where', but maybe I should say 'when'?)
Google won't do anything until ... (Score:2, Informative)
This is "reverse" google-bombing, won't work (Score:2)
I don't think this is really going to work. There are too many "correct" links for that famous person.
I went and tried "George Bush" and "GW Bush" and lots of other variations. All came up with news articles and the whitehouse web page and right-wing blogs. Only after I started getting very negative and adding words like "George Monkey
Where do we get our information from? (Score:2)
Google has a PAC (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1930008,00
So we will see how they react to it. The claim is that it is for advocating the free distribution of information so it will be interesting to see if they intervene and if they do, how they intervene.
Other things about Peter King (Score:2)
Jon Stewart, Fox, and the Question Mark (Score:3, Insightful)
Your post reminds me of the Jon Stewart sketch regarding news programs (esp. Fox) and the question mark. You can claim anything you want as long as you frame it in the form of a question.
Of course, then you go beyond that and make a baseless claim without any evidence, with the claim being obvious hyperbole. (Well, obvious to anyone with a brain. I'm assuming that includes you, but maybe you'll prove me wrong.)
Dolitical piss-course (Score:2)
How about blanket domain-squatting? Thus, you go to www.hekickspuppies.com and find a page about a candidate.
'cause the others are conservatives (Score:3, Interesting)
Because they believe more firmly that it will work. The other side is, well, conservative. They remain skeptical that the net has as much influence as its most starry-eyed dreamers say it has. They figure their time, money and effort is better put into old-fashioned politicking, e.g. local get-out-the-vote organizations, having people call their neighbors, or walk over and knock on doors come election day, or having the
Ask Dan Rather... (Score:2, Insightful)
Conservatives aren't motivated to rig Google. Guilty as charged. That's not the same as using the Internet.
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What "rule" is broken by putting a link in your page and associating words with that link?
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There's equal amount of wingnuts on both sides. You forgot to specify which wing in wingnut
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You can see the links here [mydd.com].
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Errmmmmm yeah. That must be why they link to hundreds of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity fan sites.
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He wrote that post (Score:2)
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Only sometimes. This is also the same company that has maintained vast logs of search information which can be identified by user. Pretty evil.
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I'm sure political left-wingers believe that what the right-wingers have been doing to the US and its governmental policies is evil. However, those right-wingers in power don't think so. How is Google supposed to interpret what is evil and what isn't?
I believe a better motto would be "Always stay neutral." In this case, some smart people have foun
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Chris Bowers may find it hard to believe, but plenty of Americans would no doubt view his "non-partisan" sources as being extremely partisan. For example, Liberals tend to view the New York T
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Furthermore, Bowers does not use the NYT in any of the bombs. They are mostly local papers and wikipedia. There are a few national news sources as well.
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Go eat some more waffles.