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Ubuntu 6.10 is Out 386

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cloudmaster writes "Apparently they were watching me to see when I downloaded the 6.10-rc release isos, as I did that last night, and the full release happened this morning. :) Neat stuff, including Firefox 2.0, Gnome 2.16, myth 0.20, faster booting thanks to upstart (sort of a replacement for init, among others), etc. The announcement and download pages are up. I've got *my* torrent running..."
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Ubuntu 6.10 is Out

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  • by fracai (796392) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @09:58AM (#16592786)
    gksudo "update-manager -c"
      • by teslar (706653)
        I wouldn't call

        sudo apt-get update
        sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

        after an

        sudo sed -e 's/\sdapper/ edgy/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list

        more involved, just more to type... but for those of us who like their consoles, it's easier ;)
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by bodger_uk (882864)
      Also available is kubuntu (for those that like their desktop KDE.

      Links to the CDs / Torrents here:
      http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php [kubuntu.org]

      Automatic update procedure is as follows:
      1.In Konqueror go to /etc/apt, right click on sources.list and choose Actions -> Edit as Root
      2.Change all instances of dapper to edgy
      3.Launch a console with K-Menu -> System -> Konsole
      4.In the console run: sudo apt-get update
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Fweeky (41046)
      If update-manager -c doesn't offer it, try update-manager -dc
    • by Anonymous Coward
      I just tried updating like that, going from an Ubuntu 6.06 system running GNOME 2.14. But now that I've got GNOME 2.16 installed, I've hit some major performance problems.

      The most serious problem is that it now takes 12 to 15 seconds for a new window to open. Even running a GNOME app from an xterm exhibits this problem, so it's not a problem with the GNOME deskbar. Applications like xterm, xedit, and Opera, which do not use GTK+, do not suffer from this problem. They start up almost immediately. Mozilla Sea
    • sudo sed -i "s/dapper/edgy/g" /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
  • I'll be staying with Dapper for a while, since I value stability and safety over new features. However, hopefully some new bling will make it into backports.

    I'm really glad to see that the Ubuntu project is chugging along so nicely. It's really starting to make quite a name for itself :)
  • Firefox? (Score:4, Funny)

    by jdavidb (449077) * on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:02AM (#16592836) Homepage Journal

    It's got Firefox 2.0? I wanted IceWeasel!

  • by vain gloria (831093) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:02AM (#16592842) Homepage
    I say, here's fun! Official word from Mozilla [typepad.com] on why Ubuntu shipped with Firefox branded Firefox, rather than Iceweasel.

    Plaudits to the Ubuntu guys for getting this release out so quickly. Wonder if I should stick with 6.06 and its LTS or upgrade?
    • by tolan-b (230077)
      There do seem to be a number of regressions with Edgy to be honest. I think they cleaned up a lot of them before release, but the release isn't as solid as Dapper. Personally I've been getting quite a few random crashes, but I am running the nVidia beta drivers and Beryl, so I can't necessarily blame that on [...]*firefox crashed here!*(luckily its new session recovery recovered the tabs *and* my half written reply, which is quite impressive)[...]

      Main stability issue for me has been FF2.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by MooUK (905450)
        Edgy always was expected to be a little less stable than Dapper, with more recent releases and updates included in it. Hence the name.
  • by FedeTXF (456407) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:05AM (#16592872)
    There's a bug since 6.06 in the S3 driver that comes from xserver-xorg 7.0
    https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserv er-xorg-video-s3/+bug/33504 [launchpad.net]

    I hope the patch works this time.
  • Shipit change (Score:2, Informative)

    by cloudkiller (877302)
    I was kind of disappointed that the Shipit process has changed. According to the site you can only get free Ubuntu CDs of 6.06. If you want 6.10, you will have to pay for them. I guess the gravy train has to run out of gravy eventually. Regardless, I still can't wait for the torrent of 6.10 alt install to finish.
    • Re:Shipit change (Score:4, Informative)

      by TheStonepedo (885845) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @11:15AM (#16593964) Homepage Journal
      The process has not changed. Dapper, 6.06, is marked LTS for long term support. It has 3 years of support for the desktop flavor and 5 for the server, according to Canonical's website. Think of Edgy as a testing distribution; it has all of the new gizmos and doodads but will only be around for 6 months. It would not be practical to ship CDs of 6.10 if they will be obsolete long before support ends for the stable 6.06 version.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Locutus (9039)
        While I think it makes good 'business' sense for Canonical to keep distributing the 6.06 LTS version over the latest, 6.10 has an 18 month suppport cycle, not 6. Think about it, Canonical wants people to try out Ubuntu but they also want them to feel comfortably supported when they continue to use it. The LTS version gives users this while the latest Edgy/6.10 version will lose support after a relatively short period. IMO.

        LoB
  • Debian? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Klaidas (981300) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:07AM (#16592896)
    Why is there a Debian icon here? Yeah, I know, "ubuntu is based on debian", etc. But if the distro is THAT popular, you might wanna get an icon for Ubuntu too.
    • by Kjella (173770)
      I think icons are part of the nostalgia on slashdot. New icons are fashionably absent, just note how many categories still have icons that were officially replaced years ago. Ubuntu is probably far too young (and should probably be over the top so they can speak of the good old days) before it gets its own icon.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by JanneM (7445)
      But if the distro is THAT popular, you might wanna get an icon for Ubuntu too.

      Well, slashdot hasn't managed to update to the new Gnome icon for over two years either. The /. art department isn't what you'd call speedy.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by SexyJesus (43326)
      I agree. Ubuntu has been the most popular distribution on distrowatch for more than a year now.
  • by mrjb (547783) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:09AM (#16592928)
    It runs kernel 2.6.17, which means it does not yet include the realtime patches by Gleixner and Molnar which find their way into the Linux kernel from kernel 2.6.18 on [osnews.com]. To me, this would still mean manually recompiling the kernel, but not for long anymore!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:11AM (#16592940)
    Upgrade from Dapper via the net too around 1 hour (DSL) and went very smooth. During the updating process the system worked fine, but some strange things started to happen due to new versions of apps and libraries slowly filtering in (e.g. funny fonts, missing icons).

    After the reboot ...

    Dapper was already a fast system, Edgy feels even faster. In particular, bott time is shorter, the Gnome menus come up quicker. The Murrine GTK+ theme I had installed from outside of the normal repositories was broken. Fonts were not fully hinted (looked smeared) in Firefox and gnome-terminal; this was fixed by explicitly switching to full hinting in the fonts preferences. These have been the only regressions I've noticed so far.

    The new Firefox 2 is certainly nice, e.g. spell-checking in text fields, not slow as molasses anymore on framed pages, etc. Departs further from GTK look & feel with the (literally) shiny new tabs. Epiphany has acquired adblocking capabilities, but is still not installed by default.
    • by dolson (634094)
      Another one: Try dragging some application launchers around on your GNOME panel. For me, this bug still exists, and yes, it was reported in Launchpad. Simple fix: don't drag launchers around on your GNOME panel.

      Also, Epiphany is my browser of choice, and it had adblocking capabilities in Dapper too.
  • by Reapman (740286) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:15AM (#16592984)
    Now that I finished installing 4 Ubuntu systems this week this would happen...
    • Dapper isn't dead. (Score:4, Informative)

      by Kadin2048 (468275) <[slashdot.kadin] [at] [xoxy.net]> on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:01PM (#16597078) Homepage Journal
      Actually you probably did the right thing, Dapper is the "Long Term Support" version -- basically the 'stable' line, while Edgy is the first of a number of smaller builds that will be released, but do not totally supplant the LTS version.

      If the PCs were all your personal machines then of course you can do what you want, but if they're ones that have to work reliably and you're expected to support, you probably saved yourself a lot of trouble by going with Dapper.
  • MythTV on Ubuntu (Score:3, Interesting)

    by KefkaTheMad (967573) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:18AM (#16593010)

    Does anyone have any thoughts about MythTV on Ubuntu vs. other distros?

    I'm a relative Linux noob, having only been using it for half a year. I ran Myth 0.19 on Fedora Core 5, but broke it somehow when I upgraded to 0.20. I ran into some sound bug that I couldn't figure out, so I took the easy way out and installed KnoppMyth, which has worked like a charm. However, I'm not in love with Knoppix, so I'm thinking about running trying Myth on Ubuntu.

    As a relative noob, I really loved using Yum on FC5, but I haven't had as good of an experience with Apt on Knoppix. In my limited experience, I've had more issues with dependencies using Apt than I did with Yum. I know Ubuntu is also Debian-based and also uses Apt, but I've heard it's very noob-friendly, so I was wondering what merits there would be in switching from KnoppMyth to an Ubuntu-based Myth system.

  • by karot (26201) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:18AM (#16593012)

    faster booting thanks to upstart (sort of a replacement for init, among others)

    I just had a look at "upstart" and some of its configuration documentation, and while I understand "traditional" rc script processes (such as sysvinit, and the variations on that) I cannot see how upstart will speed anything up. It still seems to be a serialised startup process, and the documentation does not make it clear how to specify startup dependencies ("IP before NTP", or "spamd before sendmail"), so there is no implied optimisation behind-the-scenes by using parallel startup.

    Have I missed something, or is this just a move to an event-driven RC process "because I can" ?

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by sarathmenon (751376)

      It still seems to be a serialised startup process, and the documentation does not make it clear how to specify startup dependencies ("IP before NTP", or "spamd before sendmail"), so there is no implied optimisation behind-the-scenes by using parallel startup.

      Check gentoo's startup scripts and their structure - they feature a lot of cool modifications like soft boot levels, and an exhaustive dependency structure. I don't know why other vendors aren't adopting it, but its worth taking a look and there is no

    • by LoadStar (532607)
      A better question: why didn't they go with Mac OS X's launchd approach, which is also open source and licensed under the Apache license? It'd be nice if, for once, the open source community would use what's already out there in the community rather than perpetually reinventing the wheel.
      • by Psiren (6145)
        This wiki [ubuntu.com] should answer that question for you. I've been using Edgy for a few weeks and I can certainly say that startup feels a lot faster. Whether it actually is faster is I'm not sure, I've never timed it, but perception is just as important as hard figures.
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          This wiki should answer that question for you.

          I don't get it. That says it was rejected because of licensing issues. LaunchD is licensed under the Apache license. Does Ubuntu not include Apache which is presumably under the same license?

      • by misleb (129952)
        Here is one (admittedly short) answer: http://lwn.net/Articles/198201/ [lwn.net]

        I guess lanuchd didn't do exactly what the Ubuntu people wanted.

        -matthew
    • by diegocgteleline.es (653730) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @11:19AM (#16594016)
      "It still seems to be a serialised startup process"

      It is. For Ubuntu edgy, a "compatibility layer" has been implemented to allow upstart run the old sysv /etc/init.d scripts

      This is because changing everything in a single release was too much. For the next release, they'll replace the old scripts with true upstart scripts and then the switch will be complete (and still there'll be compatibility for the unported sysv scripts available in extra packages)
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26, 2006 @11:45AM (#16594438)
      It still seems to be a serialised startup process, and the documentation does not make it clear how to specify startup dependencies ("IP before NTP", or "spamd before sendmail")

      From the documentation, it looks like you can do exactly this, by specifying that spamd be started when and before sendmail is started. You can also have sendmail start whenever spamd has finished starting. It looks to give you the ability to inject dependencies in either direction. Example: If sendmail is already installed and configured to start at system boot, the spamd installer just needs to add "start on sendmail/start" to it's own startup script, and upstart will call it before calling sendmail's startup script. Or you can go the other direction, and have sendmail's script use "start on spamd/started" to run sendmail's startup script after spamd's startup script finishes running.

      However, the most useful aspect seems to be the fact that it can process events at any time, not just startup/shutdown. Such as starting an iPod sync daemon only when an iPod is connected, and stopping it when the iPod is removed.
  • Cry me a river (Score:2, Informative)

    by 3dWarlord (862844)
    Apparently they were watching me to see when I downloaded the 6.10-rc release isos, as I did that last night, and the full release happened this morning.

    The release schedule [ubuntu.com] has been known for a very long time...
  • With Strigi! (Score:5, Informative)

    by oever (233119) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:23AM (#16593078) Homepage
    The universe now contains the desktop search with the fastest file-indexer: Strigi [sf.net]! This is a huge improvement over Beagle in terms of resource usage and with the added ability to search for files no matter how deeply nested in packages, archives or mail, it's clearly the best file searching tool for Linux.
  • by porkchop_d_clown (39923) <mwheinz@@@me...com> on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:29AM (#16593172) Homepage
    But why develop a whole new mechanism, why not just use launchd?
    • by jZnat (793348) *
      I believe launchd had licencing problems (not DFSG-compliant probably).
    • by beezly (197427) <`beezly' `at' `beezly.org.uk'> on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:42AM (#16593406) Homepage

      It doesn't take much to find out via the ubuntu wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit [ubuntu.com] has lots of information on the whole implementation.

      With regards to launchd, that page says;

      The four candidates were Solaris SMF, Apple's launchd, the LSB initserv/chkconfig tools and initNG.

      The first two of these suffer from inescapable licence problems, which is relatively unfortunate as both have features that are somewhat appealing though neither quite fix our problems. Having whichever system we use being adopted as a Linux-wide standard would not be possible if we chose either of these two systems.

      and also from discussion further down the page;

      NabLa: [WWW] Apple's launchd has been [WWW] released recently under the Apache license. Would that resolve those "inescapable licence problems"? Looks like a very interesting possibility now.

      • ScottJamesRemnant: it still doesn't meet our requirements, so would be only a base for our own work. We've already implemented enough that it'd be a backwards step to start again based on launchd. Also the new launchd licence may not be GPL compatible, so it would still not be ideal
      • jec : I think that the licence (apache 2.0) is GPL compatible. But if work is already advanced on your own solution, then great! Just hope that Redhat/SuSE/Debian will adopt it...
      • ThomMay: it's not - [WWW] the FSF mark it as incompatible.
      • So if the FSF marks the Apache license as incompatible, does that mean Ubuntu does not include Apache, because it sure seems to be there in my install?

  • FWIW, the Kubuntu DVDs don't seem to be available yet, despite indications to the contrary on the Kubuntu download page.

    Maybe later today, one hopes.

    "The DVD contains both Live Desktop and Alternate installers, as well as the other packages in our main archive", according to www.kubuntu.org.

  • What are the advantages of their sysv init replacement over others, like initng? I looked over the linked page. Some of it seems interesting, like the event-based nature, but I'm turned off by the continued use of numbered run-levels. Wouldn't names (startup, reboot, shutdown, nonetwork, default, etc) be easier and less cryptic.

    I also didn't see, but did they do away with the ugly numbered symlink crap? It seems to me that init scripts should state what other services they depend on, then some other pro
  • Et tu, Kubuntu? (Score:5, Informative)

    by CheeseTroll (696413) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:38AM (#16593304)
    Kubuntu 6.10 has also been released. New features + installation/upgrade instructions are here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php [kubuntu.org]
  • Cake? (Score:5, Funny)

    by neaorin (982388) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:40AM (#16593346)
    I guess the cake sent to them by the Vista team got lost in delivery.
  • by SpinyNorman (33776) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:42AM (#16593398)
    I just installed 6.06 last week, and am quite impressed by it compared to other flavors of Linux I've tried.. Nice philosophy of installing best of breed applications rather than 101 alternatives and the kitchen sink, and it all seems to work.

    One thing that spoiled the experience though, was that I initially got a blank screen with the Live CD, so had to go back and do a "safe graphics mode" boot/install. It turns out (no mention of this in the release notes - had to dig for a day to find it) that the X.org ATI driver for 6.06 is broken such that it doesn't work for RV280 based (Radeon 9200) cards using the DVI output (flat panel)... The fix requires downloading and editing the source and rebuilding the driver.

    There's also another bug in the 6.06 ATI driver just discovered a week ago where with xorg.conf RenderAccel="yes" it can corrupt drawing in some circumstances (themes that use Cairo).

    Does anyone know if either or both of the fixes for these made it into 6.10 ?

  • Edgy apparently has major problems with wireless support. I upgraded my Lenovo 3000 N100 yesterday and my previously functioning wireless card is now non-functional. Sigh. More here. [slashdot.org]

    (Why do I have to write one of these, Woops, a hardware regression. posts every time a new Ubuntu version is released?)
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by RAMMS+EIN (578166)
      ``Why do I have to write one of these, Woops, a hardware regression. posts every time a new Ubuntu version is released?''

      Because they release "on schedule", not "when it's done".
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by xenocide2 (231786)
      Because you use the forums, which are inappropriate for getting information reguarding bugs to developers? Launchpad bug tracking provides a way for INTERESTED people to be AUTOMATICALLY notified whenever a RELEVANT bug is filed. The forums are simply inadequate to connect the various people holding parts of the puzzle, despite the valiant efforts of folk like Sarah Hobbs.

      I realize your wifi may have been the only connection with the internet, but has the initramfs shipped with edgy today fixed it, as sugge
  • Wireless security? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by chill (34294) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @10:48AM (#16593494) Journal
    Does it support WPA without me having to download other packages? (wpa_supplicant, most likely)
  • Anyone know how long I have to wait until easyubuntu is 6.10 compatable so I can go about friends and relatives upgrading them?

    ubuntu without easyubuntu is like cake without frosting. Yes it's good, but not as good as it can get.
  • by cciRRus (889392) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @11:06AM (#16593800)
    Mandriva 2007 and Fedora Core 6 now come out-of-the-box with 3D desktop support (XGL/AIGLX + Compiz). The 3D desktop not only serve as a great piece of eyecandy, it (e.g. cube desktop and Expose clone) also makes the GUI friendlier and more efficient. As a Ubuntu user, I'm a little disappointed that Ubuntu 6.10 does not provide 3D desktop support.
  • I started checking the Ubuntu site around 5:30 this morning. I saw the download page switch over from 6.06 to 6.10, and I jumped on it! It took me about 45 minutes to download the alternate ISO image for AMD 64 bit systems. It is already installed on my new dual core CPU system and running fine! :-)
  • by Billly Gates (198444) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @11:30AM (#16594194) Journal
    Its not ready yet. I have summarized my experience here 2 days ago. [slashdot.org]

    Initramfs has been updated several times a day and reports of usb drives double mounting, not mounting, and randomly unmounting are quite huge, many wifi cards no longer work, multiple midi files can crash xmms, firefox 2.0 randomly crashes, and other issues means its not ready yet in my book.

    Also in my journal I mentioned gpart crashed during a resizing of my ntfs partition. That was quite scary but I did not lose anything. According to launchpad it has not been fixed yet so Windows users beware.

    Ubuntu is my favorite and one of the most stable distro's out there. However I highly advise ubuntu users to wait a few weeks before upgrading to this version.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by RAMMS+EIN (578166)
      I had similar "not ready yet" experiences with 6.04, including bugs that had been known for months, but hadn't been fixed yet (this was on PowerPC, by the way). It's sad, really, considering that Ubuntu's main selling point for me has been the "no hassle" part. I guess this is yet another piece of evidence for releasing on schedule being incompatible with good quality realeases.

      Fortunately, I run Debian stable on my machines that must Just Work.
  • by suggsjc (726146) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @12:17PM (#16595010) Homepage
    In the grand scheme of things, what does it really mean to release a new version other than just having a continually increasing number? Why make it such a big deal?

    I ask this seriously and also in jest. Why not just have
    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
    give you the latest and greatest? There has already been discussion of the "best" way to go about upgrading (dist-update, whatever). If instead of having repositories that were "version" specific, why not just have "current" repositories. Then as *everything* progresses, it all gets updated along the way?

    Is it just the dependencies issue? Or am I missing something more? Just seems like since Ubuntu is aimed at making it the most user-friendly distro, "version" updates could follow suit.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by SpinyNorman (33776)
      It's good for updates to be lumped into releases since they can be tested better. Individual updates can be individually tested, but in terms of the whole distro this is really just unit testing. System testing each entire release (via release candidates, etc) is likely to find additional bugs such as where updrading some component broke something else that relied on the old version.

    • by xenocide2 (231786) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:51PM (#16598084) Homepage
      Firstly, some changes to Ubuntu are more fundamental than a new version. Upgrading glibc is still a version bump, but affects almost every package. Additionally, new versions of gcc itself produce potentially different objects. Releases allow for a coherent whole to be formed.

      Additionally, releases allow for planning and coordination. Sometime programs aren't exactly C++ standard compliant, and sometimes the compiler isn't either. Changing the compiler version can occasionally introduce subtle bugs or build failures. By staggering freezes, you give people deadlines to work with / around. Imagine not knowing whether the kernel would support a specific feature your program wanted (like wpa_supplicant and NetworkManager).

      Finally, the release system allows for simple testing and bug fixing. Sometimes upstream will fix a bug and introduce a new buggy feature at the same time.
  • by gilgongo (57446) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @02:56PM (#16598170) Homepage Journal
    I am not a very experienced or proficient Linux user, but I run Ubuntu Dapper and have been doing so since switching (out of curiosity) from OpenSuSE.

    The distro is fantastic, save for one thing that I really, really hope will be cured in 6.10. The problem is so huge, so head-slappingly weird and strange, and so bizarrely counter to the usability of the OS that I am forced, when asked whether I would reccommend it to newbies, to say that I would not. The reason is that Ubuntu (and most other Linux distros AFAIK) mounts all external devices as root.

    Plug in your Memorystick: read only.

    Plug in your FireWire video camera and use Kino: permission denied.

    Plug in your USB still camera and use GThumb to import pictures: read only.

    Will Ubuntu 6.10 - as the leading and most devastingly cool Linux distro on earth - cure this for me?

    • That isn't normal (Score:4, Informative)

      by Chuck Chunder (21021) on Thursday October 26, 2006 @05:54PM (#16601344) Homepage Journal
      I've been plugging memory sticks, external hard drives and my compact flash camera into my PC since Ubuntu 5.something (now on 6.10 and 6.06 on different PCs) and they always magically appear as you'd expect. I'm sure it would be interesting to get to the bottom of whatever is causing problems on your particular installation but I don't think it's the 'normal' experience by any means. A jump to 6.10 may be worth a try but if it's a configuration issue rather than a problem within an actual package upgrading may not fix what's wrong.

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