PS3 Details From Sony Game Day 130
Gamespot has up the record of a liveblog from yesterday's Sony Game day event. They dish a medium-sized helping of dirt, with information like controller price ($50), first-party title price ($60), what is actually in the box, launch window titles, and a bit on what the online experience will offer. From the article: "2:04 p.m.: Hirai says the final boxed product is rolling off the assembly lines as we speak. Then he shows the retail packaging. He says they will have 22 launch-window titles, including games like FEAR, Call of Duty 3, Full Auto 2, Genji: Days of the Blade, NBA Live 07, NBA 2K7, NHL 2K7, Rainbow Six Vegas, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Untold Legends, and Riiidge Racer 7. (Yes, he said 'Riiidge.')" Meanwhile, 1up has some details on the PS3's pre-order status in Japan ... if you're curious. As well you might be, because importing a PS3 is illegal, doncha know.
Excuse me while my eyes bug out (Score:3, Insightful)
It's good to know they're not taking themselves too seriously. That's something, at least.
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Forget the Games.. It runs Linux!!! (Score:2, Interesting)
With it running linux I think it may be a nifty way to get a cheap cell platform to play with.
The price may be a bit high for a game console but it's a dirt cheap, screaming fast Cell based platform to have some fun with.
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/ yellow-dog-linux-designed-for-playstation-3-208902
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Christ, people. When will you learn?
Not only that, but what exactly do you want to use Cell for? In all of these "boy, I sure do want to play with the Cell, by golly!" posts, I never hear an actual reason. Do you have a pet project that needs a bunch of parallel DSPs? Are you actually an interested programmer, an astroturfer, or just a moron?
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Re:What "launch window titles" really means (Score:5, Interesting)
(rolls eyes)
What you're basing this on is the rants of fanboys - whether they be random people posting in forums and comments, or those posing as "journalists" and writing actual articles. There's really no distinction apart from some possibly better grammar.
The proof is in the pudding. The PS3 is out there. It's playable - it was playable at TGS, and it's sitting right now in Sony's building in Ginza in Tokyo. Anyone can walk in and play Minna no Golf and Gran Turismo in full HD on one of Sony's new 1080p Bravia displays. No need to listen to the inane ramblings of those who have never experienced the system anymore.
When you play the system, all your doubts melt away. I remember thinking "wait a minute, what are the supposed problems with this system again?"
The price is an absolute thing, true - even after giving the system a try, that doesn't change. But what does change is your perception of it. The PS3 is, at the moment, a luxury item, and it feels it - when you see it hooked up to a 60" Bravia LCD playing both games and Blu-Ray movies at 1080p, you start to get it. It is not even intended to be a mass market system yet.
And I think that's fine for now, given that there will only even be 400,000 units at launch. Remember the iPod in 2001? A lot of people said it was ridiculous to charge $400 for such a device. But it worked, and the price has gradually come down and the iPod itself made more of a commodity. That will happen with the PS3 too.
But to play a PS3 is to lust after a PS3. You will want one. Whether you can afford it yet or not is another matter, but I don't think that's really relevant to Sony's strategy, and I don't see anything about this launch that they've "fucked up".
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Re:What "launch window titles" really means (Score:4, Informative)
Ok, good point. Let's go shopping!
- 7950GT from Newegg (times 4) = $1200
- We need a LCD monitor that can do 1920. Let's go with a Dell 24" = $1,199
- Quad pci-e motherboard = $200
- I'll assume we have a nice CPU and assume that we have nice memory that plays nice on the new chipset
Ok, we're at $2599 at the best. But then we have a PC that we can do other things with, like Folding @ Home. Oh wait, that only runs on ATI cards. Ok, well to avoid flaming anymore
- PCs are general purpose machines that don't compete with new consoles.
- Economies of scale, standard parts make consoles amazing bang-per-buck devices.
- PCs have advantages over consoles in many respects but not in "just play" features.
- People say their PCs do 1920. Maybe they have a really nice, old CRT? Maybe they have a 24" LCD?
The PS3's GPU is probably similar to a Geforce 7800GTX
Please source this. I say that the PS3's architecture is completely different from a PC in no comparable format except real-world tests that aren't even available yet. At the very minimum, people who have seen the PS3 in person running at 1080p have said it's "amazing and fluid". I haven't seen it yet.
How do you design a game that can run on a Pentium 4 2GHz with a Radeon 9800 and still take advantage of a the high end system I described?
You detect for card features, card model, opengl/dx version and whatever else you can:
if (glGetString(GL_SHADING_LANGUAGE_VERSION) == "shiny happy version") {
enableBlinkyBlinky();
}
or what-not. But I think what you were trying to hit on is the question of supporting change. Which is the advantage of consoles. Me, personally, I do other stuff than games so I try to put my money into my PC. However, very rarely have I seen this so-called upgradability. I put in a new video card and then fork-lift the whole thing:
- Changing CPU vendors for the best-of-breed CPU means a new PC-stack (mb,memory)
- Going from PCI to PCI-E means a new PC-stack (mb,memory,maybe cpu)
- Going from integrated intel 945 to something that runs Vista's Aero might mean any of the above.
As usual, there are trade-offs. But simply saying "upgradability of PC" doesn't always work out in practice. The way it's worked for me and my friends:
- New PC
- One new videocard upgrade that fits in XYZ slot
- Completely new PC because majority of old parts need to be replaced completely.
And to further illustrate the real point is, PCs are more iterative.
- New Console
- New PC
- One new videocard upgrade that fits in XYZ slot
- Completely new PC because majority of old parts need to be replaced completely.
- New Console
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Please exaggerate me saying the PS3 is magic.
I'm speculating, you're speculating. We both are at fault of sorts. My only point is, as I have said, we've seen this before. The Emotion Engine wasn't completely up to the hype but it beat the PC for a while. Was it original design? Yes. Is the PS3 like a PC? No. The GPU may be related but it's also a function of the cell SPE's vs the "let's just do stuff" nature of the PC CPU.
Ars covered this before. [arstechnica.com] It might sound ridic
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Uh, either it's full HD, or it isn't. If it isn't, then it has to be scaled down.
Anyone who actually cares about video quality will want to view it unscaled.
It might not be worth it to you to argue over it, that's fine. But don't pretend that 1600x1200 is a real substitute for full-HD, because it simply is not.
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1920 * 1080 pixels == 2,073,600 pixels
Almost the same number of pixels.
Why would it be scaled? How many games produce graphics in a target resolution and then scale? The only considerable difference here is the aspect ratio. That's it.
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You say that like it means something [vgcats.com].
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With how many players per machine? The PC appears not to support single-head simultaneous multiplayer in commercial titles. The vast majority of multiplayer PC games tend to require one PC and one copy of the game per player. You can use one $600 premium PS3, one $800 HDTV monitor, and n $60 games, or you can use four $500 entry-level PCs, four $300 monitors, and 4n $40 games.
Bomberman is isolated (Score:2)
Unfortunately, this is an isolated case. How many multiplayer party games for PC were published in the period January 1, 2000, through December 31, 2005, compared to how many such games for consoles were published during the same six years?
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The complexity of the game itself isn't a problem. Unlike Final Fantasy, something on the scale of Nintendo's WarioWare is cheap to develop. We can make a 100 percent playable PC game that will work on a Windows or Mac computer with a USB hub and four joypads. We can even make it run on the Mac mini, which looks like a Wii but unfortunately costs like a PS3. We just can't port it to Sony's platform, Microsoft's platform, or Nintendo's platform. Should
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Yeah man, listen - I don't know about all this sexy talk - but (aside from the bluray thing) my PC, which I built myself, blows the PS3 out of the water. I can do everything else you just said, and if I want to play bluray DVDs (I'm not really that interested in it) I could just buy a player.
To me, the system looks like a huge waste of money. Sony uses theis "IT'S LEET MAN!" attitude to attract consumers who define their own coolness by the products they own. I just don't buy into that school of thought.
Re:What "launch window titles" really means (Score:4, Interesting)
As far as the 360, it's more bad design. And before you flame me, ask "do I want to fast-forward MP3s on a $400 console?". The 360 can't do that and there's no goddamn good reason. It's MS. It's disconnect and it's not the center of my living room if it can only skip MP3's, no rewind, no fast-forward. Some things are nice, as usual, but they miss the polish or sell the polish in MCE edition.
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1. The 360 can't fast forward through MP3s, so if I want it to be the center of the living room... I lose functionality that my 1990 discman had? Major oversight imho.
2. I have a 360, gamecube, ps2. I will get the Wii and the PS3. Vote with your dollar.
Th
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Yes, you miss out on 1080p but the 360 looks better at 1080i than my Gamecube because of quality, not quantity of pixels.
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What TV is this that was doing 1080p years before the first 1080p sets hit the market (2003) that actually accepts a 1080p signal, and has HDMI+HDCP connections years b
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There are a lot of things out there that people think are overpriced... Things that people wish they could afford, but are just out of their reach for the time being. You just have to come to terms with the fact that those things
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Think about the supply and demand side of the argument, which is still perfectly valid, and don't lose the point by going off on a mental tangent. Analogies don't kill analogies. Pedantry kills analogies.
Too bad they left the controller alone... (Score:1)
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You do have a point about being stagnant with the controller though. I don't think it necessarily needs a completely radical redesign, but it's barely even been an evolutionary process. Sure, the motion sensing could be cool,
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I'll "get" that it looks exactly like watching an HD-DVD on a 60" Bravia LCD. Which looks surprisingly like watching a regular DVD on a no-brand 60" LCD, as long as you're not standing 2 feet from the screen.
HD-DVD/Blu-Ray is nice, but there just isn't enough content. Practically every movie ever made is on DVD, and they cost $8-$15 if you are willing to shop around. I already have a substantial
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At any rate, I don't think we'll see Sony utterly dominating the market as decisively as they did with the PS2. And any sort of goodwil
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"1. The unit draws 2X the current of the 360. The means the unit has to dissipate 2X the heat of the 360, so don't tell me Sony isn't going to have overheating issues. And since they (proudly) display that they don't use a brick (ever get the feeling the PS3 is just Sony trying to knock-off the Xbox1?), the heat sources are concentrated inside the unit. It is appropriate that th
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Uh, that was really stupid. Cables only die when you abuse them; cutting them, rolling over them with your chair too many times, setting them on fire, etc. Batteries die when they have
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It will depend largely on how good people are about plugging them in for charging, and what kind of batteries they use. If they used NiCd (for some bizarre reason) you'd want to discharge them fully every time, and then recharge, unless they used a single cell. If
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This FUD just refuses to
Damn it. (Score:1)
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Maybe... (Score:3)
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if you're will to buy at $499 and wait, why not shell out the extra $100 and have it now ?
100$ extended over a few months isn't a big deal.
No Imports Allowed (Score:2, Funny)
God Bless America, and free trade that we are allowed.
Title (Score:2, Interesting)
Is it just me, the fact that I'm not much of a Sony fan (I only bought a used PS2 a month ago, but I do enjoy the games I'm playing), but I'm not exactly interested in the titles they're offering up? Untold Legends? I had the first one on the PSP and it was traded in
Of course, I've been pretty negative about the PS3 with it's high price and undesired hardware (HD output and blue-ray, though I like the Blue-Ray more than HD-DVD), but being a person who dislikes sports titles on video games (Techmo SuperB
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You, sir, have an amazing head.
Enough OTHER players demand real leagues (Score:2)
Unfortunately, the economies of scale in console licensing make the video game market a representative plutocracy. Tastes have shifted such that most other people who choose to buy team sport games would prefer EA's Madden NFL instead of Midway's Blitz: The League or some other gridiron football game that uses a fictional league. Frankly, as of 2006, it appears th
Importing is illegal? (Score:5, Insightful)
1. Go to Japan.
2. Buy a bunch of PS3s legally.
3. Offer to sell these PS3s I purchased legally on my web page to international customers.
4. Resell the PS3s to people outside of Japan.
I fail to see how this is illegal, per say. I'm a bit confused.
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Aparently they won a suit against Lik-Sang, however mabey there is something going on there, like any one that orders from Sony wholesale signs an agreement to not sell out of their region.....
Either way, it is crazy.
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Nominative use: "PSP Compatible" (Score:2)
Then sell your grey-market PSP as an "LCD Game System Compatible with Sony PSP Games". Trademark law in the United States and some other countries does not restrict nominative use [wikipedia.org] of "PSP" in the previous phrase, just as various computer makers in the 1980s advertised that their products were "IBM compatible".
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PS3 - An opportunity for Sony OS??? (Score:2, Interesting)
I apologize if someone had already discussed this
PS-3 would actually be a good vehicle for Sony to introduce its own OS
And they can sell higher priced hardware (Vaios etc) using the same OS, which means that games written for PS3 that does NOT use PS3 specific hardware feature would work on the Sony PCs.
If Sony had bought, BeOS, which I hear has low latency and was made from
Re:PS3 - An opportunity for Sony OS??? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:PS3 - An opportunity for Sony OS??? (Score:4, Informative)
Details are pretty light so far. I'd like to know if YDL runs alongside the PS3 cross bar media interface, resides in it, or what.
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But it is impossible for a normal company to come and launch a new OS.
Sony happens to be in the unique position where they can have instant marketshare coz of the millions of PS3 they will have. So they can initially launch it as the PS-3 OS. Once developers have become comfortable writing games on it, they can introduce it on their desktop version at some point in future. The point is, there is potential there, if Sony
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If the PS3 sells twice as well as the PS2 (which is very unlikely) and does so instantly (which is impossible) that would leave Sony with a small fraction of the total install base of Microsoft. And it would be completely left out of the most important markets, which is the business market.
Online + Talladega Nights (Score:4, Interesting)
Also I think throwing a bluray copy of Talladega Nights into the box - a month ahead of the film's actual release - is quite clever. Let people see what bluray is, if they are lucky enough to have a TV that can play HD. This was a popular promo for the PSP.
Anyone have more details of PSP-to-PS3 functionality? I've read numerous 'possibilities', the remote feature, and the stuff about downloading PS1 games to PSP via PS3, but what about streaming movies etc?
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That's all been revealed on Game Day. I personally read the info on this stuff over at IGN, but I'm assuming you can get the coverage from anywhere. Basically, there will be a PSP "Remote Play" feature that will turn the PS3 into a slave device operated by the PSP. All video, music, photos, etc stored on your PS3 will be viewable from your PSP. Also, there was a demo that allowed a 1080p Blu-ray movie being played back on the PS3 to immediately switch
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PSP and PS3 -- one eensy little detail (Score:1)
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Slightly OT: Yellow Dog Linux for PS3? (Score:3, Interesting)
He's the Ars Technica article: Yellow Dog Linux for PS3 Announced [arstechnica.com]
If we get YDL for PS3, does this not mean we can write homebrew software for it? It just seems to change the equation a bit. A $600 game console is expensive, but a $600 multicore Linux PC that can do HD, Bluray and a bunch of other interesting tricks is a lot more interesting...
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On a side note, OMG Zonk didn't post a dupe.
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Don't know when you posted it to Zonk, but this was posted on Monday [slashdot.org].
For once, maybe the editors prevented a duplicate.
Cheers
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PS3/PS2/PS1 games
Video on disk and transferred to it's storage
Photos
Music
Web Browsiner (without Linux)
and Linux. with the usual Firefox, Thunderbird OO.o combo and GCC.
It's a steal.
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noticed increase in game version number ? (Score:1)
look like this: "GAMEXYZ 8".
Call of Duty 3, Full Auto 2, NBA Live 07, NBA 2K7, NHL 2K7, Rainbow Six Vegas, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Ridge Racer 7
Tony 8? Ridge Racer 7? how many of them will there be ?
*sigh*
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Still no mention of the cost of online play? (Score:1)
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Broadband still costs (Score:1)
Does Sony have a hotspot network like Nintendo does so that people who live close to a McDonald's restaurant can whip out a suitable antenna [wikipedia.org] and play even if they had to downgrade the family PC's Internet access from broadband to dial-up to be able to afford the PSP or PS3?
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Re:How is it possible? (Score:5, Insightful)
This isn't the first and it won't be the last time Zonk posts news about the PS3 without bashing it. It's been stated before and I'll stated again that Zonk can only post what news on the PS3 there is, not what news there isn't. If 90% of that news is bad, which it was for a very long time, he's just the messenger. Shooting him doesn't change what other people report.
Attacking Zonk is as popular around here as predicting the "inevitable" death of Sony. Both are silly pursuits.
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How is it irrelevant? This article concerns the PS3 launch, which will be happening a few months later in Europe than elsewhere, and people might have been considering importing it. Now they might not be able to because of Sony's actions. Seems relevant to those who might've wanted to import, no?
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bullshit (Score:2)
This is
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Oh yes that "rational value judgement" thing.
Um hmm. Those Slashdotters are a mature non-fanboy bunch.
Oh - wait.
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Look at the games that were listed "FEAR, Call of Duty 3, Full Auto 2, Genji: Days of the Blade, NBA Live 07, NBA 2K7, NHL 2K7, Rainbow Six Vegas, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Untold Legends, and Riiidge Racer 7" Which game there is exclusive and of high enough quality to encourage you to buy a $500/$600 PS3?
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