Microsoft Confirms Work Begun on Next Xbox 192
Via 1up, an interview with Chris Lewis, head of Xbox Development in Europe. Along with some interesting discussion of X06 and aiming games at European markets, Lewis confirms what most people could reasonably expect: Microsoft is already hard at work on the next Xbox system. From the 1up article: "'You can't sit back on your laurels in this business - the consumer won't let you, the developers certainly won't let us. So that's happening right now,' ... In order to remain competitive, hardware manufacturers have to start thinking about the next cycle the moment work finishes on the current one. Ideas for the following generation were likely generated during the development of Xbox 360, and you can surely bet the same situations cropped up in the R&D rooms of Sony and Nintendo while working on PlayStation 3 and Wii."
So what Microsoft is trying to say is (Score:3, Insightful)
The XBox 360 is ALREADY outdated? :P
I mean really, I don't want to buy a console that I know is just going to be replaced so soon.
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To take consumer money. Any way you look at it.
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If you examine everything Microsoft does using this perspective,
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Microsoft has a habit of engaging in, and winning, development warfare. They cut life cycles down over repeated offerings to drive development costs up and reduce the profitability of th
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Re:So what Microsoft is trying to say is (Score:5, Insightful)
If it's not obsoleted within 5 years by new technology it's not technology, it's an small appliance.
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That's brilliant.
It should be a MOTD on
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In fact the only real 'generation 3' console as far as the UK market is concerned seems to be the PS3, the Wii being a popular choice but more viewed as a toy than a games machine (which may not be a bad thing)
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Data, facts...What's the difference?
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Now come on, that's the oldest flame in the book. Whether or not you prefer to call consoles a toy or not, the Wii really isn't much of a different product than the PS3, especially since Sony have adopted motion-sensing technology.
Yeah, right. Nice logic you have there.
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The PS3 and Wii are substantially different. And not just in minor tech specs, but in the entire gaming experience. The PS3 is clearly a continuation of existing gaming paradigms with bigger, better, and faster hardware, plus some minor tilt inputs (which, in my understandi
Re:So what Microsoft is trying to say is (Score:4, Informative)
Where abouts do you live? I don't think I know anyone that earns that much, and I consider my family middle class; we live in a nice area in a City in the South of England. I certainly couldn't afford to waste £500 ($800) on a console, and IIRC that's what the PS3 is being released for over here. If we had paraty of price i.e it was being released at around £300; I still couldn't could justify it at launch (March 2007 here for us). £200 (well £170+ 2 games)for a Wii at launch (Yes, I've been sucked in by the hype, and even have a Wii pre-order*), is the top price I'm willing to pay for any toy (all consoles are just expensive toys), be it from Nintendo, Sony or MS.
*My brother even says I've become a Nintendo Fanboi; I dispute this.
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Where abouts do you live? I don't think I know anyone that earns that much,
Whereabouts do you live? In a box on the street? $40,000 is only £21,000 at the current exchange rate. Most families should have an income of more than that.
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However, my broader point remains even at an income of a minimum of £21,000 you have to take away income tax, NI, Council tax and a million other various taxes; compared to the low tax rate of the USA add that to low prices in the US and our Net spending power isn't all that much greater than that of the average US family. £500($800) is still alot of money for a console, probabl
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Standard practice (Score:4, Informative)
Not to mention, it's going to take Microsoft a good long time to finish designing their next XBox. Look at how down-to-the-wire things got with the 360, and look at how much Sony are struggling to get the PS3 out in a timely manner. They certainly wouldn't want to end up in that mess twice.
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Those diodes have been a major stumbling block with the PS3, and before that, the Cell. Dunno what the XBox's problem was, but it had some shortage...
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Off the shelf components? Nintendo is one of the THE most well known electronics companies for using the most MODIFIED components. Everything from processor, to motherboard, to the media is specially made. The only company that abused off the shelf components was the original Xbox and Microsoft admitted that was a rush job.
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The basic recipe for a console is simple - take a CPU, a GPU, some memory, some storage systems, and add glue logic. Microsoft showed us that it was possible to put together a half decent console within a reasonably short space of time when they put out the XBox. The development time for the XBox360 was also fa
that'll show you (Score:5, Insightful)
One thing is obvious (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:One thing is obvious (Score:5, Insightful)
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If the time and money were spent, you could have reliable, useable procedural techniques to deliver the next 'next gen' games and have them be what, a few hundred megabytes?
Unfortunately developers focus on shoveling rehashed shit out the door to capitalize ASAP. That's what's wrong with the games industry. They spend more money on marketing than R&D. How many times has a game with
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I wouldn't be so sure about that, the reason is that in the future games will use more and more proceduraly generated data, so that instead of a few megabytes for a huge textures you simply use a few hundred bytes for parameter to generate that same data. Beside saving space this also has the huge advantage that it leads to better graphics, instead of textures getting all blury when watched up close, a procedural approach could generate finer and finer detail the clos
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Cutscenes are for most part already realtime generated, they still take up some space, but much less then 1080p HD-TV. Filling 25GB with realtime generated cutscenes will take quite a while and probally not happen in any game ever, it simply is to expensive to produce.
You can fit like 70 hours of speech on a single DVD, most games hardly reach 10 hours of speech, so even with a DVD you should have plenty of space for your
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What so we can pay to play? (Score:2)
So to play say GT6, you'd buy a car and a track, but because of the way the downloads are made, after a day or two, you'll need to swipe your credit card again if you want to play with the same card on the same track. I've already seen that on a few downloaded cheapy games, sure you can try them, but after a set time, the game locks and
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Back to cartridges!
Other than cost, of course. Would be nice to go back to the days when consoles didn't have "Loading....." displayed all the time.
25gb for all 20 levels, not one (Score:2)
Duhh!!!
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I like going to the store, browsing the games, and reading the instruction manual on the ride home. Modern games tend to be too large for the "immediate gratific
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This just doesn't seem practical ye
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Microsoft will pay YOU to buy this one! (Score:2)
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I don't remember the numbers on the original XBox, but the 360 seems to be in the minus 1.2billion.
Sure Sony has a lot of money backing itself up too, but what company would stay competing loss after loss after loss. I guess someone REALLY wants to be a big player in the console market. I wonder how many chairs need to go flying about before they just give up...
Yeah, everyone does this. (Score:2, Insightful)
Ideas for next-generation system (Score:4, Interesting)
Hardware HDR. Just give us a really broad palette to work with, and handle the HDR on-chip.
Profile login on a Sim card in the controller. The Xbox 1 had the right idea, but they milked the memory card price too much. Register your controller on the network by popping in a tiny / cheap sim card.
Network Storage. My web host offers 400 GB of storage and a ridiculous amount of bandwidth for not much more than a Live Gold account. Drop the hassle of memory cards, jump to Sim cards, and store the basic game info remotely.
Pad-based controller recharging.
Game Modding and user-created content. I don't know how this would happen, but it needs to happen.
Physics co-processor. There is enough particles bouncing these days that we should have some special purpose iron to help with the load.
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More details on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org].
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I think that's a reasonable request.
Profile login on a Sim card in the controller. The Xbox 1 had the right idea, but they milked the memory card price too much. Register your controller on the network by popping in a tiny / cheap sim card.
Network Storage. My web host offers 400 GB of storage and a ridiculous amount of bandwidth for not much more than a Live Gold account. Drop the hassle of memory cards, jump to Sim c
This is perfectly normal (Score:2)
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Acutally, you'll find that in Japan, possibly other Asian countries, I forget, 'four' has about the same status that the number '13' has over here, due to the fact that the Japanese word for 'four,' 'shi' also means 'death.'
Ever wonder why there was a Palm III, and a Palm V, but no Palm IV? Or why Sony, for that matter, has a D-2, D-3, and D-5 digital video format, but no D-4?
The Magic of a Microsoft "V3" (Score:2)
Raise your hands, everyone who remembers Windows 1.0? Windows 2.0?
IE1? IE2?
(Hm, on second thought, this is maybe not such a good idea to poll this particular group with this particular question... save your responses if you have seen these beasts, I'm illustrating a point.)
Its always v3 MS products that get real attention. Win3.1, IE3, etc.
Or perhaps its just 'hurry up and get the Xbox3 team assembled before out sh
Did Sega do the same? (Score:4, Interesting)
Here we go... (Score:3, Funny)
Portable XBOX under development (Score:4, Funny)
Trojan Horse (Score:2, Insightful)
The normal lifecycle of these consoles is ~5years. It doesn't surprise me in the least that they would start the planning stages already - it will give them a legup
The only thing they could do to improve (Score:2, Funny)
The widening gyre (Score:3, Insightful)
Not at all surprising (Score:2)
--Jeremy
R&D now is fine, totally fine but,.. (Score:3, Insightful)
I've said it a thousand times.
The Xbox 1 is a 4.5 year old unit, it's by far the most powerful and some still quite attractive games are released for it - yet it was the FIRST to get a replacement?! - Value for money? Hello
JUST as it was taking off properly, Microsoft shot it - way too early and now they are wondering why people hesitate to purchase the X360./
The PS2 on the other hand is damn near 6 years old now and substantially less powerful than the Xbox yet it's replacement is STILL not out - value for money is GOOD, sure it's time for a PS3 but I feel anyone who bought a PS2 at launch (if it lasted, that's a seperate matter) got value for money.
Now I can understand researching the Xbox 360 replacement but if those motherfuckers release it Nov 2009, only 4 years after the X360 I'll be pissed, especially considering how little support the Xbox 1 has received in the past 12 months.
The X360 should be thoroughly "milked" as long as possible - gives US value for money and THEM money cause we buy it, plus we'll consider the Xbox 3 or whatever if the X360 is properly supported.
Considering the track record so far though,........
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Except they were stuck playing with a PS2. I think they got ripped off.
Go on do an analogy for us, on how your 1982 Honda Civic is still running fine and was the best "Money Value" of all cars ever made. Sure this may have some merit, but I enjoy my sports car and it has better "Money Value" for me.
Now considering my PS2 has been in the closet for a couple of years and all of my original XBoxes are still
Really?? I thought Xbox 360 was it! (Score:2)
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Yeah! I mean the XBox360 only launched a year ago, and look at how long a life the original XBox had! ... [crickets] ... [crickets] ... almost 3 and half years.
Of course I doubt Microsoft would bring out the XBox Xtream in two years, but three? Who knows. I'd rather stick with either the Wii or the PS3. Both companies have shown their willingness to stick by
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Xbox 360 Launch: November 22, 2005
So, your statement of: "almost 3 and half years" is incorrect.
The difference is not big, but since you added in 'almost' it made it look like you were trying to exaggerate things even more.
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No no, let's put this in perspective. I used to have this old P90-based IBM server. I think it was combo PCI+MCA, and it had about 14 drive bays in the front. Mine came loaded with 11 2.25 GB UWSCSI disks (IBM DFHS S2W - I remember this because I had tons of them around for ages afterward.)
But the important part of this comment is that one of the pieces of hardware that it came with was an IBM mainframe card. T
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or this: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/printer/v 1r1/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.printers.ipmwin/com.i bm.printers.ipmwings/iprggmst38.htm [ibm.com]
So, yeah, still not sure what was on the card. And
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Next generation gaming, welcome the "XBox 420" no next-gen console will be more fully-loaded. They've got real high hopes.
Even better news: In reponse to the backlash on DRM, the XBox 420 will support ripping.
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So what we're really looking at here is...
Xbox
Xbox 360
Xbox 2009
Xbox Post Millennium Edition
Xbox ZV
Xbox Scenery
etc
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And really, there's not a chance in hell the consoles of tomorrow will even come close to enterprise servers of today. Keep in mind that an eight-way Opteron with 128GB of memory still falls into the "entry-level" classification used by Gartner. You'd probably have to drop to only 32GB of memory to fit into IDC's "volume server" category. The "enterprise" category starts at $500k and more.
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Xbox 720? (Score:3, Funny)
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360 doesn't mean graphics to me. It means last minute naming in the marketing department because we have to go to print in 30 seconds and we don't want to sound similar to PlayStation i.e. XBOX 2.
I get that PS2 is > PS1 and I also get that PS3 > PS2 > PS1. Simple enough.
I can sorta understand Wii, IMO, Revolution was a better name.
360, I still don't understand. They could have called it
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Brilliant.
Thanks for the insight. With that information I can now answer the question "What does the 360 signify for the XBox?"
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XBox itself is a stupid name, and it was probably thought up by the same marketing
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Kinda like a toaster. (Score:2)
As far as I'm concerned, that's the purpose of an xBox. It's not a game machine, it's a "Halo appliance."
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(unit of meausure = steradians [wikipedia.org])
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Re:Good ole monopolistic competition. (Score:5, Interesting)
I think the thing people don't realize is that the Xbox 360 didn't come early... the Xbox 1 came late.. the 360 was pretty much right on time. The Dreamcast kicked off the last gen in 1999 and The Xbox wasn't released until more then 3 years later, Sony had planned to release the following spring but was delayed, Nintendo almost always launches late (so they can have competitive tech at a lower price). The fact that Sony is launching the same time as Nintendo shows that they're late in this genreation. The fact that MS launched the same time as Nintendo last time showed that they were late to the last generation.
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You must have missed the various news & /. articles from game industry developers who were pissed off that the Xbox 360 was being brought to market so early.
If the Xbox 360 was right on time, why are the other 'next gen' consoles (Wii & PS3) showing up so now?
MS purposely jumped the gun so that they could accumulate market share
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You must have missed the various news & /. articles from game industry developers who were pissed off that the PS3 launch kept getting pushed back from last spring. I also don't recall many actual news articles or developer comments about MS's release date, IIRC it was more backlash from gamers and /.ers then it was from actual news sources or developers.
You must have also missed the part where
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In one respect it probably did - DVD-9 simply won't cut it in a few years hence. The last-gen was already hitting the 4.5Gb barrier, so a simple doubling won't do much good for all the extra polys, textures, sounds, fmv etc that next-gen games need.
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