Writing a Good Technical Resume? 137
SuperMallen asks: "As a newly minted hiring manager, I've spent the last few weeks plowing through the large pile of resumes for one of my open positions. The varying formatting and quality of the resumes has stunned me. People do everything from a short list of jobs and positions to essays on each and every project they ever thought about in a job. Everyone seems to subscribe to the 'here's a giant pile of technologies I'm familiar with at the top' school, but I usually ignore this and go straight for their past work history and glean from there. Surely the Slashdot community can help point out what makes for good formatting and content in a technical resume. I'd love to also see some good sample resumes people have used in the past, and any good websites or book recommendations on how to write these effectively, so we can all spend less time reading and writing bad ones."
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Hi, Karma Whore
I know your pain. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I know your pain. (Score:4, Insightful)
Then lern to spel propper. It's "vitae".
Long lists of skills mean nothing
You know that. I know that. The candidates know that. Unfortunately the droid at the employment agency doesn't. They are given a list of buzzwords to match and a pile of CV's. Any CV's that match the buzzwords get their addresses tippexed out and are faxed through to you. Daft, innit?
Dave
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Also, it's "Curricula Vitae", not "Curriculum Vitae", unless he was reading a CV which arrived in multiple volumes.
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Dave
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Heh, cute! Wish I had mod points to give you a +1 Funny.
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The worst thing about dealing with agencies is their tendancy to treat skills as objects - 'you've "got" linux and bind but you haven't "got" vi so I won't put you forward for this role' - ARRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!
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Yes, very true. Due to this, I usually modify my resume for each job. I first evaluate the company, and try to surmise who will be reading my resume, and then modify it to fit.
If I'm be
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I have a somewhat lengthy list of skills on my somewhat dated resume (I really should update it), but I don't put anything on there that I don't know relatively well, and I've had the strangest items on that list result in promising job interviews.
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That saved me quite a bit of effort when customizing things later on to fit a given position.
When one has been working in the technical arena for a while, especially if one has help multiple po
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Perhaps there should be two sets of listings on the resumé, titled "Buzzwords" and "Skills I Actually Have."
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I have at times seriously considered putting a list of every acronym and technology that might remotely be related to what I am applying for at the top of the resume under the heading "Buzzword Bingo". I think if I ever get on
CPAN is the only resume you need for Perl (Score:1, Interesting)
And ever since I got to about 4 or 5 CPAN modules released, I haven't needed a resume at all since.
Generally it's just enough to say "My CPAN id is $foo".
It also works in reverse as well, in situations where I've been hiring or interviewing Perl people, my first question tends to be "Do you have a CPAN id?".
If so, you can immediately go see what standard they work to when they expect their peers to read their code.
If not, they general apologize or mumble something about
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Depending on the job and the application you must not necessarily be the product wizard, but if your resumee states four years of Sybase experience you better heard about sysobjects, sysdatabases and another couple of systems tables a
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{sigh} I wish it was like that all the time. I figure my work speaks for itself, right? I am a web designer, and I thought the quality, quantity, dates, and clientbase should successfully demonstrate my skills, so my resume gives a list and explaination of my knowledgebase, along with a list of website links and notable description for each.
Invariably, I am asked for my previous employers. Eh? Look at
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I have no idea what a CPAN id is. I'm guessing from context that it's what you use if you're submitting a module to CPAN.
I've also spent countless hours over the last several years using Perl to write the kind of automation scripts it was designed for, countless more using it as a CGI back-end to link web sites with databases, and obviously a fair amount of time looking up and using CPAN modules in relation
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I would say it depends on the level and expectations of the job. As a senior perl programmer, I probably wouldn't hire you because you're not involved in the culture of perl. You do know what CPAN is and were able to take a decent guess on what a CPAN id is, so I probably would hire you.
Writing bad Perl code is the job security you need (Score:3)
Every Perl programmer knows the way to job security is to write piles of horrible undecipherable code, so your current employer will be afraid to fire you because they can't find anyone to take over the mess. The only reason anyone hires new Perl programmers any more these days, is to take over the horrible mess left by their previous Perl programmer who got hit by a bus. Anyone hiring Perl programmers to write new code is crazy.
-Don
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That list of skills is why you see the resume (Score:3, Insightful)
Yep, the skills list is for databases (Score:2)
The parent is spot on. In today's recruitment business, there may be as many as three filters before you even get to the guys who are technically knowledgeable: a recruitment agency/job board if you use one, the HR database at the company you're applying for, and the HR weenie who's pulling out things that pass their automated filters to pass to the technical guys. Exactly none of these steps is likely to involve anyone technically competent who understands what the buzzwords and abbreviations mean. Java is
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Sample questions from agency re this specific position:
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And if you want the job, you say your TCP/IP is awesome. Eventually you'll get to a real person who knows things.. and if you don't, then you just got a sinecure (job title and pay with no duties -- score!). That means you can play Tetris all day and no one can fire you, because no one can say what exactly you're meant to be doing.
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Daniel
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Often, the students that like technology enough to play are the students that you want in a technology project. Engineers need to want to do the work; they need to like the field. If you can find an applicant that likes the material, then that is the person you want to hire. These people will be motivated employees.
On the other hand, it is also d
"Things I do for fun" resume section (Score:2, Interesting)
It just might get me the interview if I'm on the bubble, and it may help me know which hiring managers see me as a person not just as a skill set.
The key is keeping it relevant and short, and remembering that the entire section is expendable if space is an issue.
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Hmm, well, not exactly. If you only put down the skills that you have that are your best, you may miss opportunities. I have gone over many resumes, interviewed a lot of people in my day (probably 50) and have been a hiring manager. I like seeing a list of their skills grouped by their level of understanding of the subject. If using Linux is a must-have skill, but I don't need a guru, I might be willing to look at someone who has a decent understanding of it. I have talked to people who said "yes, I have used Unix". My next question is always "What shell do you use?" If I get a blank stare, I already got my answer. But it is much easier for someone to learn MORE about Unix than to have never used it at all. I don't have a problem with people putting everything they've ever used on their resume, as long as they qualify it. Oh, and aren't stupid about it... listing all the versions of Windows you have ever used is silly. I put on mine "MS Windows - 3.11 through XP" That covers it.
Yes, that can maybe be gleaned from job descriptions and whatnot, but things like programming knowlege can't always. I have a CS degree, and used to do programming. But I have been involved in QA and testing for my whole career of 13 years. I still have the various languages I am familiar with on my resume, with the caveat that my experience with them is fairly low. Of course, I still get people asking me about programming jobs, probably because they don't even READ my resume and probably have someone keyword matching on it.
I can tell you, finding technical QA people is difficult, so I make sure to point out on my resume that I do have a technical background. It makes a big difference when interacting with the programming team to have a CS degree. I can read Java and pretty much figure out what is going on, but I wouldn't want to have to write anything in it. I know enough to leave that to the experts. But if my job involved writing some Java, it wouldn't be too far of a leap for me.
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The list of skills is more beneficial when the hiring process is composed of non-technical people.
Technical people will look at the resume and (hopefully) look at the experience to see what skills the potential employee has.
Non-technical people will look at the skill list and check off skills they believe they need.
Specify the format (Score:4, Insightful)
> People do everything from a short list of jobs and positions to essays on each and every project they ever thought about in a job.
If you think that the variety makes it difficult to compary CVs, you can specify a certain structure. The easiest way to do that is a web front end for entering the CV information, with some guidelines on how many details to give. Just look at the CV generator at monster to get the idea. For applicants that can be a pain (unless you use e.g. monster), so you may lose some, but if it makes your work easier, it might be worth it.
> Surely the Slashdot community can help point out what makes for good formatting and content in a technical resume.
That depends on what you are looking for. I like to see a clear (and appropriate) structure, because structure is so important in IT. Many HR people look for fonts and spelling etc, but I always found that a bit superficial. Instead have a look for good command of the english language, which is not at all too common
Oh, and BTW: all these requirements also apply to the job ad. You get what you deserve. So if your job ad is a huge unformated pile of bullshit bingo and TLAs, don't complain about the declining quality of resumes!
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But a killer app would be a WYSIWYG resume builder that
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It might be, but IME it almost certainly isn't. I had this discussion just the other day, funnily enough, while talking to a recruiter I'd linked up with a friend looking for a job. I was explaining that the friend had decided not to bother applying, because
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Of course a nicely formatted resume could mean that they paid someone to do it for them, just like they paid someone to do all their homework and write all their papers through college. But at least they know how to delegate!
-Don
Insist on XML, that'l sort em out... (Score:3, Informative)
Paul.
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Paul Hurley [paulhurley.co.uk], Completely Pointless
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Depends upon the field (Score:3, Insightful)
If I had been applying for a position as a programmer, I would probably have swapped the positions and lengths of the "Software written" and "Research" sections. If I was applying for a scholarship, I would have listed more of the awards I've received. If I was applying for a job at a company which didn't have a reputation for applying computers to the task of filtering resumes, I would have omitted the "Grep bait" section.
It's not rocket science: Decide what job you want, decide what you would like to see on a resume if you were hiring someone for that job, and then write that resume.
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That's sound advice, from what I've noticed structure plays a very important role in creating a solid resume. When I applied for a summer internship I set up a resume by comparing sections used in resumes I found Googling, eventually it contained the following three sections: "Objective", "Education" and "Skills" (e.g. Operating Systems, Databases, Programming Languages, Methodologies). If you do have any previous working experience (unlike me) you should obviously list that too.
I based my resume on the f
filters suck (Score:5, Insightful)
I always feel the need to explain not only what I know but also how well I know it and how recently I've used it. This is helpful I think but leads to a resume that some people throw out as simply being to verbose.
Then my girlfriend says my resume is ugly so she wants to spend a lot of time picking the right fonts, paper, etc despite the fact that the nicer looking version is actually harder to read. I hate resumes. Why don't we use one of the available XML-based formats for passing around resumes.
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> automated filters many companies use and still be grabbing to the human that eventually will read it.
This is an important point and if I'd had some points I'd have modded you up.
I'd also mention that your CV will be read by lots of people e.g. recruitment agents whose knowledge of what the tech buzzwords mean is very similar to the automated filters. These people are gatekeepers between you and
My Psychology Professor (Score:2)
My experience bore this out. Of course, a resume is only to get a foot in the door. You can use (or prospective future employees) can bypass that step and use contacts to land an interview.
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In general, though, a CV is essentially a big business card.
Know Thy Target (Score:1)
Some like no more than 2 pages.
Some like you to use their application or their format.
Others want your whole life story.
Some require keywords to get past the filters.
Others find keywords a waste of time.
Some want 65-character-wide ASCII.
Others want a specific version of Microsoft Word.
Still others want PostScript or PDF.
Some want paper, others want fax, others want email, with or without attachments.
Some want references and salary history with your resume, oth
Blame HR departments and Agents (Score:1)
Cha ching. (Score:3, Interesting)
The number of incoming resume's shrank by 83% and now we mostly have qualified applicants. The problem now is choosing which one has the coolest sounding Mumbai or Hyberadad address.
(Just kidding on the address thing.....)
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Your post is well said, though; I'd like to see an in-house application form online which will tell the applicant what we want, and then give them a battery of staff-written questions that will challenge them to show what they really know. Each staff member would add two questions a week to the rotation.
That's what I want..
My ex was a headhunter... (Score:5, Insightful)
Identification & contact details. (address, phone etc)
Date (so they know the resume is current)
Summary blurb. (Use this as your "hook" if you have anything to brag about.
"On our last project I was instrumental in our team's successful cure for cancer, elimination of world hunger and the establishment of Unreal Tournament as the nation's premier sporting event."
Bullet point listing of key competencies.
* Brain surgery
* Microsurgery
* Lisp coder
etc
One or two paragraph summary of experience, most recent first.
August 2005 - Current:
Crowd controller for Rammstein.
Acting as a human buffer to crazed fans, I successfully protected the band from encroachment and injury on 37 separate occasions. A strong commitment to workplace safety was demonstrated by my use of a rubber-shielded baton, while my leather and vinyl attire coordinated well with the band's homo-industrial stage antics.
July 2004 - August 2005:
Speech Writer for Tourettes' Debating Team.
etc
The key is to get ALL of this up to a couple of your most recent gigs on one page. That'll give the reviewer a good chance to assess you and shortlist you without having to wade through reams of paper, so keep it al brief and to the point.
Once you've got that part done, you an start listing other experience and qualifications on the following pages, then finish up with references. As well as a list of names and contact info, it's a good idea to include a couple of juicy quotes from referees.
References
"T Person was the most effective human speed-bump this company has ever employed. His great bulk would have been enough to stop a rocket propelled tank."
Good luck...
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Keep the summary short and concise - a few lines ideally.
Give more details about recent jobs than old jobs (I'm more interested in your recent experience, than your job as a barman when you were 18).
A good piece of advice I heard a few years ago - if you've got the experience - focus on the experience (ie if you are sysadmin, wanting another sysadmin job - focus on what sysadmin stuff you know), if you haven't got
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This bears repeating. One of the worst resumes I've ever seen was from a guy who might well have been
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12 applicants and 2 of those did as the ad instructed (written and snailmailed application, without diplomas and crap, only a cover letter and a CV).
Most had a messy CV which I have a hard time reading and comparing with others.
One hadn't updated his since 2001.
The worst one was almost 60 pages long and included a huge essay detailing his life. Most pages were just 'diplomas' from every course or training he ever attended. It seemed as if he asked everyone who ever taught him ANYHIN
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Goals are important (Score:1)
To be technical team lead within 24 months
This tells me several things:
This guy doesn't want to merely sling code his whole life, he wants to lead.
I should look elsewhere if I know my company can't do this, because he won't be happy and will likely leave.
I SHOULD consider this guy even if he doesn't meet all my other requirements, PROVIDED his resume demonstrates leadership, because i
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I hired the one who had skills over a certain threshold and who I believe will stick around for many years. Skills kan be developed, but replacing people every 1-2 years is hard.
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Seems to me that your asking for a CV, then are expecting to recieve a resume; it was my understanding that a CV was a much longer detailed document. "Curricula vitae (CVs) provide a detailed statement of your qualifications. They are only used in certain positions and industries in the US, although the CV is the default choice in the UK and Commonwealth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9sum%C3%A9_serv ice [wikipedia.org] I'm not sure why a
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Here's a good model (Score:1)
(Yeah. I know its old news by now. Still makes melaugh)
One Page (Score:2)
Graphically organize this information so that it is easy to digest at a glance, bolding important words as appropriate for the situation. Be honest and do not embellish or pad your experience, education or knowledge.
Since blinky LEDs and tiny batteries are cheap these days, you could always attach
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"keep it to one-page advice".
If you can only fill in one page, then keep it to one page.
If you need 10 pages, fill 10 pages, but try to put the really good and recent stuff on the first page.
Think long and hard if you want to work for a company that rejects you based solely on the number of pages you submit.
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Put a web link or note mentioning extra information instead. If the interviewer is interersted s/he'll call you for more details.
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Your job is to find the right person for the job. Again its not clear how the weight of a resume has anything to do with this. Do you also filter by the orientation of the staple on the resume?
For me, do I really want to work for you if my coworkers were chosen by this arbitrary method? What does it say about your skills as a manager?
"Hi! I have no technical skills, no experience I can share, but I work here because I lucked out because I have a one page resume. Good thing too, because I would have lost to at least three other more qualified people but they never even got looked at because they had a hefty five page resume. Nice to meet you."
>A heavy CV usually indicates too much information (possibly padding) and someone who cannot (for ego reasons or whatever) summarize their own experience and qualifications.
I can do both of those things, pad and fail to summerize, with a one or two page resume.
>Put a web link or note mentioning extra information instead.
You can't be bothered to turn the page of a document right in front of you, yet you find it ok to ask a person to go to an computer and type in a potentially long/complex text (URL)?
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filtering by staple position ... (Score:2)
I would. If the staple(s) are on the wrong edge, or opposite edges away from the vertices, your candidate lacks attention to detail OR is a moron.
The filtering would however be Bayesian.
>>> You can't be bothered to turn the page of a document right in front of you
As the applicant it's your job to summarise your skills and experience. If you provide a good summary then providing a link to further information seems a good
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> If you need 10 pages, fill 10 pages, but try to put the really
> good and recent stuff on the first page.
Have to disagree. Not that one page is a firm rule, but ten pages is excessive. The main purpose of the resume (at least in the US) is to get an interview or call. Ten pages of detail doesn't help you do that. Pare the older/less relevant stuff down to a series of short summaries, and add "ask me for more details". If you're in the ba
Boy am I going to watch this thread... (Score:2)
I always find that, on forms like Monster's, there's always one or two required fields I can't correctly/honestly fill in the way they want it. I tend to find the automated formats "unflattering," but there you are.
It's a hot job market, though. Sometimes it doesn't seem that way, but that's because it's a very compe
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My only question is, is it normal these days to have three interviews and then send a dear John letter? I get a lot of that. Very positive, right up to the letter.
Interview matters (Score:2, Insightful)
My job as a interviewer is to determine how truthful the resume is. This is done by discussing the competence areas with rather low le
LaTeX (Score:2, Informative)
HTML (Score:2)
Yes, LaTeX is nice, and in a past life I wouldn't have expected anything else. (Academia -- paper CVs being handed around is how things were done.)
Now, though, I really don't want to have to keep track of any more paper, my desk is already piled high. Nothing beats a simple URL sent in email. (HTML attached to email (not HTML email!) is second.) And just plain HTML, no flash/backgrounds/blink/... Don't set fonts and sizes, let the reader's browser select the fonts to use. (Nothing pisses me off more than
They may be required to suck (Score:2)
I think the best way to get better resumes is to in your job posting either give a format or give specific items you'd like to see. I knew when I wrote mine that it had to get past a million filters - so even if I only spent a co
Show some love (Score:2)
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My reasons are this:
- For some people IT is just a job, just like working at Mcdonalds with a better paycheck and a different skill set.
- Anybody can build a home network now, for under $1500 I can buy two new computers and a switch.
I would love to work at McDonalds for $50,000/year (Score:1)
I love the challenge of tech work, but I love the fast-paced nature of retail also.
Give me $50,000/year to hand out burgers and frys and I could be happy. Of course in my spare time I'd be slinging code
Substitute other relatively-low-paying jobs like teaching, less-skilled nursing, some less-skilled skilled trades, for McDonalds and there are probably a number of happy computer programmers
Mod Parent Up (Score:1)
How is someone to grow in their career? (Score:2)
Advice: The top is important too (Score:2)
Even if employers may ignore the skills at the top, those skills will do a lot to get your resume found by search engines. If you end up near the top of a results list for some common search term and your resume is suitably impressive, people are, at some point or another, going to contact you with job offers. This is obviously a good position to be in. Never be a supplicant if you can avoid it.
As for what to put on it, a short paragraph about each job is pretty standard. Obviously, you want to highlight
Biggest Resume Mistake (Score:3, Interesting)
After I read the first two of those resumes, every single one of them gets weeded out.
You really need to do something on the first page that clearly gives me a reason to hire you. When reading through a stack of resumes, I am looking for a reason to hire you. Why are you better than everyone else? If you can't give me a reason to hire you in the first page, then you are out. I am not reading the second page.
Incidentally, I went to one of these photostat resume courses once. I did a resume on blue paper. I was held up as an example of the worst possible resume you could write. That resume netted me a job interview with a prestigious high-tech company at the time.
Lesson: avoid having the exact same resume format/content that your classmates have.
Only one job? (Score:1)
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These aren't separate skills, they are part of a spectrum. If you do things right, don't worry about the first job you get. I suggest trying for a small shop where you get to be the jack of all trades. Take it for the first couple of years. Then with _that_ experience, go for a bigger company.
While you are at it, join your local LUG (or other IT gro
I put my resume in XML (Score:3, Informative)
I found that you should have a section called 'technical skills' to list all your skills. You can call it skill proficiency, but only if you are proficient in ALL the skills. I switched the name when I got burned in an interview at yahoo, because I put mysql and was expected to be a f'n DBA in mysql, and expected to know all date time datatypes. I'm a developer who has worked with mysql, but have always had dba's that dealt with that crap!
I have also found that using 1 sentance bullet points, which in the xmlresume format they call 'achievements' I think, at least that is what I am using. each line says clearly how you used technology X. Also I think you should use 'active voice' I think it is called ( or is it passiv, I forget ), like 'I created blah blah using C/Java, blah, which resulted in more sales of the product.
this is what i do: (Score:2)
Education
This section just has the schooling and special certs I've got, with the dates of accomplishment and any other pertinent information (GPA, magna cum laude, etc), in table form.
Experience
This is a list of past/current employers and the dates of employment/contract, listed with what the job entailed. If you've got a lot, just list the most significant ones and note that you've done so to give a better picture of your overall experience (letting them know that ad
My Story (Score:2)
Anyhow, I hate to quote another site, but I had read this [eweek.com] really good article from eweek about tech resumes. It was awesome. It was such a good article, I could have sworn it was covered here. 10 Ways to Tweak your Tech Resume.
So here's the short version of my story. I liked my job as an admin at an ISP in NY. We decided to sell our house and move down south to SC. I knew getting a job wasn't going to be a huge problem, but my resume needed help. Al
Joel's advice on sorting resumes (Score:2)
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First place to start is the resume. Is it eye-catching? If it's not, it's in the trash. You can Google for resumes, and some people have good-looking ones (especially graphic designers, but don't use graphics in
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To add on to the advice:
When dealing with recruitment agencies, you need to be persistent. It's a two-way street. You need to follow-up with them. The go-getter who calls is going to stick in their head more than the the stack of CVs on their desk. If they don't have your CV in front of them when you call, offer to e-mail it straight away.
The other part is that you need to be selective about the recruitment agency as well. Make sure they are good. Ask if you can talk to others who have worked for them. Yo
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BTW i had a 2.4x GPA. One thing i did do, was outside projects though. All of the 9 people who interviewed me, asked me about the MUD i worked on.
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Did you send 50 or 60 different resumes to these 50 or 60 different companies? You should always tailor your resume to each and every company. Make sure you don't waste resume space on things they don't care about.
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I recently graduated from college (B.S. CS, Math minor) myself. My experience has been the exact opposite of yours: People are finding me and offering me jobs - I haven't actually applied for one since three years ago. It's come to the point where I'm turning them down (mostly because I'm currently doing a Ph. D. full-time, but I'm assuming you have no desire to do that - you'd honestly have a hard time getting in anyway with a sub-3.0 GPA).
Unfortunately, I also did the opposite of what you did in college
Get a temporary job and do volunteer work (Score:2, Insightful)
After you've been employed 2-5 years GPA becomes less important.
Get a job, any job, even if it's not in IT. You need to pay the bills and get some "employment" experience. Best would be one that has a decent-sized IT dept, preferably one in the same building you are in.
In your spare time, do volunteer work that can boost your resume. Teach
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There is some good advice in this thread and you should take it to heart.
I can think of a few other things. For one, do you have email addresses of old classmates, profs and school friends? Are you in touch with them all? If not, consider starting to contact them even if you haven't seen them in well over a year. Drop them a line to see how they are and what they are up to and mention that you are in the job market and would truly appreciate hearing of any openings they may know of.
Do you live near a de
Pump up all the Open Source projects you worked on (Score:2)
Include all your contributions, no matter how small.
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