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The Future of ReiserFS 459

Posted by timothy
from the strange-days dept.
lisah writes "With the announcement of Hans Reiser's arrest this week, many people have been wondering what this will mean for his company, Namesys, and the future of his filesystem work. According to a report at Linux.com, employees at Namesys are circling their wagons and plan to continue working on the project 'in the short term.' One employee admits, 'we are rather shaken and stressed at the moment, although I cannot say we didn't see it coming.'"
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The Future of ReiserFS

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  • by ellem (147712) * <ellem52@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:19AM (#16406453) Homepage Journal
    maybe she should have been so enamored with GFS. How about that? Huh? How about she just stop talking about how great Google's File System is FOR ONE MINUTE? Did anyone think bout that?
  • by Dystopian Rebel (714995) * on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:23AM (#16406483) Journal
    Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer reminded corporate customers that the Open Source model is dangerous to their business.

    "I squirt a picture to you, you squirt multimedia back to me," said Ballmer. "Sure, boom boom boom, we can do that and we ~do~ do that. In fact, no one squirts better than we do. But with Open Source, you don't know whose rights you are violating when you squirt.

    And worse, open-source programmers tend to have police records. I'm just sayin'."

  • by uneek (107167) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:27AM (#16406527)
    Hi:

    This makes me wonder how many other primary authors of open source projects have been arrested in the past and how this has affected their projects?

    Uneek
    • by Pharmboy (216950) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:44AM (#16406663) Journal
      This makes me wonder why they didn't put a link to info about his arrest in the article. Not everyone knew this, and it is just sloppy of the editors to NOT include a link to give a bit of context about the arrest.

      I found info here [geekzone.co.nz], here [arstechnica.com], and here [nbc11.com]

      • by rsidd (6328)

        This makes me wonder why they didn't put a link to info about his arrest in the article.

        The link does contain info, as well as further links.

        it is just sloppy of the editors to NOT include a link

        Slashdot is sloppy; if you want examples you can find plenty. But, on this occasion, the sloppiness is on the reader's part.

        I found info here, here, and here

        You could have found more and better info by just typing "reiser" into Google News.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Mike89 (1006497)
        Was it too much for you to even glance at the title of the ONLY Related Story - you know, right below the summary?
    • by $1uck (710826) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:18AM (#16407059)
      Doesn't this highlight another positive for OS? No seriously, so the lead developer is arrested/killed/in a coma. This means the project *is* not dead, someone somewhere can pick up where he/she left off. If it was closed source, and the lead developer was more than just a cog in a large corporation, who could/would pick up the slack? The source code could conceivably being floating in legal limbo until the affairs are settled. Or am I just being myopic?
    • If you're curious, why limit the inquiry to just open source projects? Surely you'd be concerned if the primary developer of a commercial product you depend on was arrested on the same charge, right?

      This actually brings up one of the strongest points in favor of open source -- even if Hans Reiser never walks free again, if there's enough people who find value in his work they can pick it up themselves and continue moving it forward. If ReiserFS was a commercial product, that wouldn't be possible.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:33AM (#16406581)
    And Netcraft confirms it.
  • by NekoXP (67564) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:42AM (#16406647) Homepage
    "I do not think that just being arrested will affect anything so long as Hans is not actually convicted," says Oleg Drokin, the former release manager at Namesys. "If he is convicted, that might cause problems for Namesys [because] it is operated solely by Hans."

    I don't understand. If the guy who runs the company goes away usually it's fairly easy process (albeit longwinded and boring) to get a new general manager, CEO or whatever. Namesys isn't a public company, so they could name their Thanksgiving turkey the CEO. The problem might be, if Hans acted as accountant etc. and did some funny number crunching that is going to drive them into the dirt; of course that would add to Hans' problems, too, if they were ever revealed :D

    Is Hans really that important to ReiserFS? Isn't this the whole beauty of GPL code, that there are thousands of people out there who can pick his work up without even involving him, Namesys etc., and continue the 'legacy'?
    • by jimicus (737525) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:59AM (#16406825)
      Depends how large the company was and how big a role the CEO has in running it.

      In larger companies, the CEO generally plays golf most of the time.

      In smaller companies, it's quite common for the CEO to be designing the products in great detail, and many a promising open source project has withered for lack of a leader - though I can't see that happening in the case of ReiserFS because it's too big and important.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by swv3752 (187722)
      Hans is that important to Namesys and Namesys is the only group really working on ReiserFS. It is possible for some other group to pick up the project, but Hans aggravated alot of other developers, so...
    • by Rambo (2730)
      I don't understand. If the guy who runs the company goes away usually it's fairly easy process (albeit longwinded and boring) to get a new general manager, CEO or whatever.

      If the company is founded as a sole proprietorship and the owner/proprietor disappears things can be very difficult. I was part of a company that started that way and once they got big enough they had to register as a corporation to avoid having the company dissolved if something happened to the owner. I'm unclear on why
    • so they could name their Thanksgiving turkey the CEO.


      I think that's the problem, there IS no they. Without Reiser, there is no one with the authority to name a ceo, or even pay the bills.

      Of course, he could always name someone to take over, but I don't think anyone at the current company can...
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by revery (456516)
      Is Hans really that important to ReiserFS? Isn't this the whole beauty of GPL code, that there are thousands of people out there who can pick his work up without even involving him, Namesys etc., and continue the 'legacy'?

      I think Hans might very well be just that important to ReiserFS. I've worked at companies where if a certain person died or decided that they didn't want to work there any longer, it would be very hard to replace them.

      There are some tasks wherein the set of people who are both qualified an
    • I believe Reiser owns Namesys, he's not just the guy who runs it.

      As such, his disappearance, for whatever reason, will have a profound effect on the company if he doesn't take steps to ensure otherwise. And he may not be able to take those steps at all if he's convicted.

    • by novus ordo (843883) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:38AM (#16407329) Journal
      I think what he means is that it is Hans Reiser's company. You can't just take someone else's company and let someone else run it without the owner's consent. Calling him important is an understatement. Read this [osuosl.org] interview if you would like to know how important. As for letting someone else run the company...hah I can't even describe the irony. Here's the rundown [cbs5.com]: Basically he got this guy named Sean Sturgeon run his finances "1999 through 2002 and had access to and control over deposits, withdrawals and funds at the Patelco Credit Union."

      Reiser said Sturgeon "worked with my wife Nina Reiser and eventually drugged her with ecstasy and seduced her." Reiser alleged, "He then engaged in Bondage, Domination, Sadism and Masochism techniques and continued to redrug her repeatedly over time." He said Sturgeon engaged in those techniques "in an effort to show that he was a better man than I and to convince my wife Nina to conspire with him to steal the Namesys Inc. company assets." He said Sturgeon engaged in those techniques "in an effort to show that he was a better man than I and to convince my wife Nina to conspire with him to steal the Namesys Inc. company assets." Reiser alleged that, "Sean has threatened to have me beaten up by some of his associates in illegal activities and that he would hurt me, my mother or my children if he did not get what he wanted." He also accused Sturgeon of engaging in extortion by threatening to make calls to the Internal Revenue Service to report him and his mother. In addition, Reiser alleged that Sturgeon wrote into a contract that Reiser must participate in "Death Yoga," which he said has the purpose of "slowing down one's heart to the point of death."
      You think he might have second thoughts on letting someone else run the business? Just maybe?
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Omnifarious (11933) *

        Wow. Either Hans is much nuttier than I thought (I thought he was just a bit of an egotist) or he managed to get into business with someone who was really awful. That story is on the edge of nutty, but it's just plausible enough to not be completely dismissable.

        "Death Yoga" is a little out there though. I've seen references to the idea, but it seems a bit much for someone to demand that a business partner commit suicide in a particularly weird and unusual (and possibly impossible) way. Claiming it seem

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Omnifarious (11933) *

          My conclusion is that Hans Reiser is likely a paranoid schizophrenic.

          First he insists that his business associate was doing all this stuff with his wife behind his back, alleging a secret conspiracy. But, it turns out that his wife had a boyfriend who wasn't this business associate. The rational behavior for his wife would be to make the secret relationship public knowledge after the divorce, not to start a new publicly acknowledged relationship.

          Hans contends that the relationship continued with his bus

  • Even if not guilty (Score:4, Interesting)

    by L-s-L69 (700599) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:44AM (#16406667)
    The loss of his wife is likely to have a profound impact upon his work and any future development. I can only hope the community and the other developers are able to step up and carry on the work.
    • by QuantumG (50515) <qg@biodome.org> on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:20AM (#16407087) Homepage Journal
      his ex-wife.. who's contribution to his work was to claim that he was earning money that he wasn't paying her to raise their children, when actually he was $100k in debt (yeah, couldn't see that coming "let's make a filesystem!" "let's give it away for free!" how could you lose money on that?!) This is one of the reasons why the cops didn't mind arresting him. He really does look like he wouldn't mind seeing her dead.

      Then again, who doesn't feel that way about their ex-wife.. except, ya know, those few freaks who part on good terms and have each other over for dinner with their new partners. *shudder*
  • Some Related Reading (Score:5, Interesting)

    by RAMMS+EIN (578166) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @08:57AM (#16406801) Homepage Journal
    I've been reading a bit, trying to get a handle on what's been happening and what may be next for the people involved in this (I trust the filesystem will be fine). Here are the most interesting parts of what I've read:

    AUTHORITIES SEARCH HOME OF MISSING WOMAN'S HUSBAND [cbs5.com]

    ATTORNEY: HANS REISER 'DISTRUSTFUL' OF OAKLAND POLICE [cbs5.com]

    UPDATE: POLICE CHARGE HANS REISER WITH MURDER [cbs5.com]

    Missing woman's blood found in husband's house [mercurynews.com]

    All in all, it's very disturbing. I get the impression at least one of the people involved in this is completely insane.
    • by jackbird (721605) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:18AM (#16407063)
      Wow, completely insane doesn't even begin to describe it. My favorite line:

      "In addition, Reiser alleged that Sturgeon wrote into a contract that Reiser must participate in 'Death Yoga,' which he said has the purpose of 'slowing down one's heart to the point of death.'"

  • The company and the project should continue to run. A persons "personal life" should not be an excuse until the moment he/she is being missed in the project beyond reasonable.
  • what? are people hardware or something?
  • by le0p (932717) * on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:32AM (#16407241)
    that a Filesystem designer actually had a wife.
  • by InterruptDescriptorT (531083) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:42AM (#16407389) Homepage
    If he did kill his wife, which is nowhere near certain, and then subsequently chopped up the body, I bet the pieces are of manageable size and spread evenly throughout a wooded area for easy, order-N retrieval...
  • Great (Score:3, Funny)

    by rbarreira (836272) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @09:47AM (#16407465) Homepage
    However, Lyamin expresses the cautious hope that the case will go the "way we hope it will go."

    I read this sentence like 3 times, each of them failing to get any information from it. Can someone help me?
  • by Prototerm (762512) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @10:05AM (#16407709)
    Anyone else see the irony here?
  • Dear Slashdot (Score:5, Insightful)

    by scotch (102596) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @10:10AM (#16407771) Homepage
    Please do not follow this story. The last thing we need it periodic stories over the next year as the trial progress with fighting and uninformed commentary from the peanut gallery on criminal matters. It will be like having our our own little scott peterson case, which I'm sure we can all agree, would be a big fucking waste of time for everyone.

    Thank you.

    • by RAMMS+EIN (578166) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @11:39AM (#16409149) Homepage Journal
      Please do not follow this story. The last thing we need is periodic comments over the next year as the trial progresses from readers who aren't interested in the matter and feel a need to bother other readers with that sentiment. It is not like anyone is forced to read these threads, which I'm sure we can all agree, would be a big fucking waste of time for everyone.

      Thank you.
  • Saw it coming (Score:3, Informative)

    by Davorama (11731) on Thursday October 12, 2006 @10:59AM (#16408541) Journal
    For those who don't live out here the 'saw it coming' part *should* have been refering to the month long drama that has preceded this. Reiser going in to talk to police repeatedly, then refusing to cooperate, camera crews chasing him around, interview with his (or her?) mother. It's the full three ring treatment really but I don't know that it's gone into full circus mode nationally yet.
  • by minus_273 (174041) <aaaaa AT SPAM DOT yahoo DOT com> on Thursday October 12, 2006 @11:41AM (#16409177) Journal
    to put faces to names
    hans reiser [idiom.com]
    nina reiser [ninareiser.com]

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