Become a fan of Slashdot on Facebook

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×

US Population to Top 300 Million 792

An anonymous reader writes "The number of Americans will surpass 300 million this month, a milestone that raises environmental impact questions for the only major industrial nation whose population is increasing substantially. The US census bureau says the 300 million mark will be reached 39 years after US population topped 200 million and 91 years after it exceeded 100 million. That makes US the third most populous country behind china and india. It is noteworthy that sheer number of human beings do not necessarily have the heaviest impact on the environment. Instead environmental impact is a calculation that involves population, affluence and technology. The US consumes nearly 25% of the world's energy though it has only 5% of the world's population and has the highest per capita oil consumption worldwide. Each American produces about 2.3 kg of trash a day, a rate about 5 times that in developing countries."
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

US Population to Top 300 Million

Comments Filter:
  • by SniperClops ( 776236 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @08:42AM (#16303553)
    Asia has too many, Europe has a decreasing population, America is just right. Whats your secret?
  • by PrayingWolf ( 818869 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @08:44AM (#16303581) Homepage Journal
    If you make our over 6 billion people live in the state of Texas, you'll have roughly 100 square meters for every person...
    and the rest of the world for everything else!
  • Not so bad (Score:3, Interesting)

    by halivar ( 535827 ) <bfelger&gmail,com> on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @08:51AM (#16303655)
    You'd think, that as the third-most populated country and first in consumerism that we'd be sucking up everyone else's resources. For oil, yes. But not for everything. According to the Foreign Agricultural Service:

    How much of its agricultural products does the United States export?
    American farmers export 45 percent of their wheat, 34 percent of their soybeans, 71 percent of their almonds, and more than 60 percent of their sunflower oil.

    For many food products, U.S. producers are among the lowest cost producers in the world.

    So, while we do, in fact, have a large global consumer footprint, we still, as a nation of plenty, have to capacity to contribute back resources.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @08:55AM (#16303725)
    The US consumes nearly 25% of the worlds energy though it has only 5 % of the worlds population and has the highest per capita oil consumption worldwide. Each american produces about 2.3 kg of trash a day, the current rate is about 5 times that in developing countries."

    The linked article says nothing about concerns over Americans energy usage or anything of the sort. Why did the submitter have to add this when the article itself doesn't mention it. In fact, no articles I've read about US hitting 300 million are really concerned about energy consumption. The US will manage it just fine.

    The last point of the slashdot writeup is pure flamebait designed to generate the typical flamewar on here. CmdrTaco, instead of being a responsible editor, let this piece of gratuitious US-bashing through.

    Shame on you submitter and CmdrTaco.

  • by Malc ( 1751 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @08:56AM (#16303737)
    "The number of Americans will surpass 300 million this month, a milestone [...] for the only major industrial nation whose population is increasing substantially"

    Wrong! Canada (member of the G8, so technically a major industrial nation, even though a little over a tenth the size of the US) is increasing in size faster. More new immigrants settle in Greater Toronto Area every year than any other N. American city, including LA and Miami. Since I first came to Canada 10 years ago, I've seem the population grow from 28 million to 32. The last government was trying to increase the inflow of immigrants. Yes, it's easier to have a higher growth rates on lower numbers, but the impact on things like services (medical, roads, education, etc) and the enviroment are still proportionally higher.
  • Perspective (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Rob Kaper ( 5960 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @09:01AM (#16303801) Homepage
    The 5-25% phrase bugs me. It's designed to make the US look wasteful while that's definitely not the case.

    According to Angus Maddison's [url=http://www.ggdc.net/maddison/Historical_Stati stics/horizontal-file_2006.xls]world population and GDP .xls[/url], the US GDP is 8.2 billion and the world's 38.9 billion. So the US accounts for 21% of global economical output using 25% of energy resources. That's below average and something to think about, but it definitely puts a different perspective on matters.
  • by stupidfoo ( 836212 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @09:02AM (#16303809)
    And with it's roughly 25% usage of the world's energy supplies (including oil) what does the US do with it? Create an even greater percentage of the world's goods. So my question is: why is the rest of the world less efficient than the US?
  • by gentimjs ( 930934 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @09:07AM (#16303877) Journal
    You make the presumptions that A) what the US is producing is also what it is consuming, and B) globalization is a benefit to all. Neither are knowns.
  • Hmmm (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anon-Admin ( 443764 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @09:14AM (#16303999) Journal
    That is odd the current projections by the UN's Population Division, based on the 2004 revision of the World Population Prospects database shows that the population of the world is decreasing and this one claims that the US population is increasing.

    Seems that while we have fewer people in the world, those that are born head to the US.

    Source [wikipedia.org]

    You may also note the US population growth rate @ 0.91% [cia.gov]

    Oh and as to the oil usage, So what! Look at what we give the world back for the oil we use.

    agricultural products (soybeans, fruit, corn), industrial supplies (organic chemicals), capital goods (transistors, aircraft, motor vehicle parts, computers, telecommunications equipment), and consumer goods (automobiles, medicines) (In order of quantity)
  • by radtea ( 464814 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @09:17AM (#16304053)
    It sounds like someone's cherry picking stats to make it sound bigger than it is.

    This isn't cherry picking. The point is that the developed world has a resource usage pattern that is globally unsustainable. As the largest developed country in the world the U.S. is actually in a position to do something about this, and in fact actually are doing something about it at the state and local level, although the federal government leaves something to be desired in this regard.

    There are more wasteful countries in the developed world, notably your smug neighbour to the north: Canadians are one of the few peoples on Earth who are even more wasteful than Americans, and our only saving grace is that there are so few of us in such a large amount of empty space that we don't in aggregate have such a large impact on the plant. Conversely, things don't improve so much globally when we clean up our act. But when America goes green, the weight of 5% of the world's population comes off the planet's shoulders.

    There was some guy once who said something about treating others with the same love you give to yourself, and another guy around the same time who said something about not doing to other people what you do not want them to do to you. "Using up the world's non-renewable resources and treating the planet as our personal garbage can" is probably something that most of us would rather not see other people doing, and so it probably behooves us to not do so ourselves.
  • It's far worse in Europe, which will be basically Muslim within a generation,

    Oh, and what do you suggest we do about that? You see, putting kids on the world without having the required finances and infrastructure (adequate housing) is insanity. I do want kids (and so wants my wife), but there is no way I can raise a bunch of them in the small apartment we live. Moving to something bigger is impossible since we don't have the finances. Vicious circle. Many young european couples are in that situation.

    So, yes, "muslimification" will continue, but only because they don't seem to care in what conditions their kids grow up.

  • Not necessarily. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Slithe ( 894946 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @09:32AM (#16304331) Homepage Journal
    When I look at my mother's house, I can think of several things that have lasted over 10 years (my house for instance). My mom's washer and dryer lasted for at least 14 years before being replaced; her refrigerator may be older than I am (it does not even have an ice maker). The two cars that I have driven (hand-me downs from my grandparents) are a 1993 Toyota Camry (which is on its last legs, sadly) and a 1998 Nissan Altima (which is still in good shape). My mom still uses my first TV (a TV/VCR combo that I got when I was seven); however, the vertical sync is off a bit.

    Anyway, gadgets did last longer 30-50 years ago, but they were also more expensive. Western Electric phones were designed like tanks because AT&T rented phones (at $5 per month), and it was cheaper to design a long-lasting phone than to constantly replace broken ones. Also, from what I have heard, automobiles are designed so that they do not break down as often as they broke down twenty years ago.
  • by JeanPaulBob ( 585149 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @09:33AM (#16304347)
    The US consumes nearly 25% of the worlds energy though it has only 5 % of the worlds population and has the highest per capita oil consumption worldwide.

    I really doubt that's true. Not that 25% of the world's energy use takes place in America, but that a good energy accounting system would assign all that use to Americans.

    Say what?

    What I mean is, America uses more energy per capita in a simple account, but think about what we're using that energy for. At least some of it is going toward production of goods & services for export. Should the energy used to manufacture and ship a computer be assigned to us, or to whoever buys it in another country? I think the latter.

    Even taking that into account, I would guess that we still use more per capita. But not 5x as much.
  • by maxume ( 22995 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @09:36AM (#16304407)
    That's a lot of ... poop. By the way, 100 square meters is, drumroll, 10 meters on a side, which is about 35 feet. Assuming you use miracles for infrastructure, that's still not very much room, especially if you want silly things like parks.

    Taking you somewhat less literally, we get most of our fresh water from nature at the moment. Oxygen too. Those things are quite a bit more important than physical space. If you choose to take E.O. Wilson seriously, read "The Future Of Life". He puts the carrying capacity of the earth at somewhere less than 20 Billion people. Comfortable at less than that.
  • Re:Plenty of Room (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rlp ( 11898 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @09:37AM (#16304423)
    For anyone who thinks the US is running out of space - I suggest the following exercise. Take a drive on I-10 westbound through western Texas. The road is arrow straight and goes for miles and miles through NOTHING. No towns, no buildings, no crossroads, nothing. Apart from portions of the east and west coast, the US is not very densely populated. You might say 'Who would want to live out in the desert in the middle of nowhere?' I'd agree with you, but then again, the residents of Vegas might not.
  • by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @10:00AM (#16304839)
    "Actually, US population is growing too slowly to keep up with the baby boomers' retirement demands. It's far worse in Europe, which will be basically Muslim within a generation,"

    Exept the fertility rate of your typical natural-born US citizen resembles that of your average European. Nearly half of our current population increase comes from immigration. If Europe is becoming "Muslim," then the US is becoming Mexican and Chinese (et al), and at a far faster rate (even in this day and age we're more immigrant-friendly than most of Europe).

    "its entire culture and history pushed into slavery (dhimmitude)."

    Xenophobe much? If the US isn't speaking Gaelic after the huge influx of Irish immigrants we've had over our history, why do you believe that immigration from the Middle East and north Africa will change Europe so drastically? Especially when they're coming to Europe to get away from stuff like that?

    No, a few sporradic incidents of "honor killings" does not make a general consesus, it's just good copy for sensationalist news outlets.

    "It's this attitude that lead to our culture's potential extinction in the first place."

    Culture adapts, otherwise most of the music on your hard drive would involve a harpsichord somewhere. No culture on the planet would be in its current state were it not for the cross-pollenization of art and ideas across cultures. One could make the case that the culture of the United States is the dominant one on the planet because of our immigration policies, allowing a blending of cultures to happen on the typical street corner rather than being confined to the esoteric collections of elitist patrons that can afford to import cultural artifacts from abroad.

    It's interesting the way "culture" has become the new euphamism for race (does this make "culture" the new "last refuge of a scoundrel?"), I'm a little curious to see what it will be next. Instead of trying to focus on such broad, vague terms like "culture" that can be defined in any way you want to define to satisfy your arguments, perhaps you should focus on particular ideals that are important, such as republicanism. However, letting the people decide for themselves what their "culture" will look like one minute to the next is the exact opposite of the top-down imposition of "good culture/bad culture" that you seem to favor.

    Of course, I can't think of any better way to stem the tide of Islamic immigrants to Europe than to impose such a European sharia in the name of preserving European culture. Why would someone looking to get out from under such a system bother moving to Europe then?
  • Re:Plenty of Room (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Pharmboy ( 216950 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @10:07AM (#16304949) Journal
    Actually, I have lived in west Texas, Kansas and North Dakota as well as many many other states, and found them to be rather nice. (ok, ND was cold as all hell in winter...) Not terribly exciting, and the weather can get extreme, but there are other advantages. Mainly the fact that you can afford land and a home, your neighbors are usually not close enough to hear you sneeze, and the towns are smaller, but the people tend to be nicer, due to a a slower lifestyle. Most things are much less expensive as well, and I personally like a drive in the country where it is real country, not just sparse housing.

    I'm in my 40s. I will stay on the east coast to make a living, but I will surely move back to "fly over country" when I retire. Probably move to Texas, Tennessee or another tax friendly state where I can fish without there being a boat every 20 feet on the lake, and where I can afford to have 5 or 10 acres of space between me and my neighbors. If I could make the same money there now, I would be there now.
  • Re:Plenty of Room (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Hoi Polloi ( 522990 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @10:13AM (#16305045) Journal
    I was talking to folks from England while I was on vacation in Wyoming and they said that there were no places in all of England that came close to the open spaces they could find in the US. I'm afraid we're on our way to losing that escape we have from crowds and boundaries as the population grows.
  • Re:Trashy Americans? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by russotto ( 537200 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @10:16AM (#16305091) Journal
    I call bullshit. Cars are getting MORE durable, not less. The average age of the auto fleet is going _up_. The average age (not lifespan) of a car in 2005 was 9 years, not 3. The average lifespan of a refrigerator recycled in 1997 was over 21 years, a washing machine over 20 years.

    Yes, a lot of people get a new car every 3 years. But they don't trash the previous one. They trade it in, return it to the leasing company, or re-sell it.
  • by i_should_be_working ( 720372 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @10:17AM (#16305101)
    There are debates here all the time about how hard it should be to immigrate. In general, most immigrants are educated. One of the main issues now is that it's too hard for professionals to get their credentials recognized, and they end up driving taxis.

    Anyway, in regards to your experience. It may be possible that to those fast-food workers it was you who had the hard to understand accent. Maybe someone born and raised in Toronto can understand you just fine, but they'll still detect an accent. For someone who speaks english as a second language, and is used to hearing Canadians, I can understand how some American accents could be hard to understand. I myself have never had a problem with a fast-food worker of any nationality getting my order right. But I'm not from North Dakota.
  • You believed that? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Kadin2048 ( 468275 ) <slashdot.kadin@xox y . net> on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @10:20AM (#16305167) Homepage Journal
    the US gov't is far from welcoming the tired, poor and huddled masses anymore.

    And we never did.

    The whole "give us your tired, your sick" crap was just that, crap. The U.S. has never been particularly interested in taking refugees; exceptions to this are just that -- exceptions -- and not the rule.

    I don't know what drives this constant temptation to embellish the past, but it wasn't this wonderful place of sunshine and light. Most of the people who were allowed to immigrate into the United States throughout its history weren't allowed in out of some sort of self-righteous pity, but because they were needed in order to meet the demand for labor. Lots of sick people got sent right back on the boats they came over on, and even if you were young and healthy, you still had to have someone willing to vouch for you here in the States before you were allowed in.

    We need to stop deluding ourselves about our past immigration policies. While they may have ended up being more liberal than the rest of the Western world's at the time, that was only because Europe had more people than it knew what to do with, and the U.S. was starved for labor and people to tame the new lands it was in the midst of acquiring. As a nation we needed more people, and as a result we became more welcoming; the latter was a response to the former, not the other way around.

    The needs of the United States have always been the driving force in our immigration policy historically; if it worked out well for the immigrants then all the better for them. It's mostly after the fact that people have congratulated themselves for being so high-minded.

    Now it's disappointing to me as an American that our immigration process wasn't easier for your wife, who I am assuming is probably educated and employable -- in short, exactly the type of people we need to be encouraging to come here. However, I don't think that as a nation we should be guilt-tripping ourselves into rolling out a red carpet to everyone who needs a place to live, particularly to those without skills, for whom there is little demand today and less so in the future; we have never engaged in this historically, and there's no reason to start now.
  • by TerranFury ( 726743 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @11:00AM (#16305767)

    >why do so many people move to the U.S. versus, say Europe or Japan?

    There are many immigrants moving to Europe, and many Europeans aren't happy about that: There have been problems. Think French riots, Turks in Germany, "Swedish jobs are for Swedes," and new Dutch immigration laws. It is likely that many countries will follow the Netherlands' lead.

    And all that's nothing next to Japan, which is famously xenophobic. To preach national and racial superiority is a great deal more mainstream there than it is in the U.S. Japan is investing so heavily in robotics, for example, largely because it'd rather have machines do work in the country than Filipino immigrants.

    I expect that much of this difference is because the U.S., unlike European countries and unlike Japan, is not a nation founded on a unique existing culture or an ethnic identity.

  • by Shajenko42 ( 627901 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @11:07AM (#16305895)
    Which is why new homes need Geothermal heating loops [wikipedia.org] installed at the time of construction.

    Unfortunately this is not happening, despite large numbers of homes being constructed.
  • by greppling ( 601175 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @11:30AM (#16306285)
    Thanks, this is finally a meaningful comparison. US at 0.677 barrels per day per 10 p, Netherlands 0.561, France 0.34 and Germany 0.325. Is this a fair comparison? Certainly not, as the lower population density of the US just makes driving more often necessary. Still, I would claim energy efficiency just isn't enough of a priority yet in the US. SUVs, bad house insulations, over-eager air-conditioning,... The good news is that there is low-hanging fruit to improve on, and that examples in Europe show that nations can substantially gain energy efficiency without hurting its economy.

    Sidenote:

    Interesting to note: Luxembourg is number 7 and most of the largest consumers per capita are Island Nations.
    I wonder whether Luxembourg's number includes all the Germans driving over there to get cheaper gas...
  • by jafac ( 1449 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @11:49AM (#16306559) Homepage
    Yeah, 6 of one, half-dozen of the other. . .

    My 1972 Volkswagen, when it was running, had over 200,000 miles on the frame, (maybe 50k on the current engine). On the other hand, I had to tweak the timing or the carb adjustment literally every other week to keep it running smoothly, and adjust the valve clearance pretty much at every oil change (3000 miles - the classic 1600cc Air Cooled VW engine has NO oil filter stock). Yes, I tinkered with it, I've swapped engines, rebuilt engines, swapped transaxles, bolted on some suspension modifications, etc.

    My 2003 Volkswagen. . . I pop the hood for oil changes every 5000 miles. I expect 200,000 miles with no unscheduled maintenance, and given anaecdotes from other Jetta owners, that's not an unreasonable expectation.

    On the third hand - if something DID go wrong with the 2003 VW, I'd pretty much have to take it to a shop. I own a nice set of tools, a timing light, tach/dwell meter, even a bore kit for carb jets, compression tester, and I have rebuilt the 34-pict carb blindfolded (as an exercise). But I couldn't even begin to troubleshoot a complex fuel-injection timing or turbocharger problem with the 2003 VW. Even if I had the necessary manuals, I don't have the experience or the equipment. And I would expect the equipment to run north of $10k. (though the VAG-COM serial cable and software is pretty slick - that's the exception in the industry today, not the rule).

    So I'm somewhat "on the fence" as to whether I'm better off with today's cars.
    Definately, when one takes into account, safety features - air bags, crumple-zones, antilock brakes, more advanced suspension designs, etc. And the lower-maintenance factor is mighty convenient. But the inability to DIY (partially caused by emissions regulations - partially by IP-law profiteering) is a big minus.
  • by OriginalArlen ( 726444 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @12:43PM (#16307511)
    America (well the USA anyway) really is a unique case. In some ways it's the most developed nation on earth, the richest, the only remaining global superpower, the strongest militarily and so on and on. And yet in others, it is practically a third world country (and I mean this objectively, not as simple anti-Americanism --- flamers please note! :) For instance look at income distribution, life expectancy, equality, quality of healthcare and education, disparity of legal outcomes between rich and poor (and black and white)... and so on, even before getting into the more lefty topics about ownership of capital. And yet they still maintain this incredible myth of "America, the land where anyone can make it". Actually that's the LAST thing USA is leading the world in. Social mobility is higher all over the world, even in the supposedly rigid class system of the UK, before Tony Blair every Prime Minister (both tory and labour) from about 1962 onwards (Wilson, Heath, Thatcher,.. and the leaders of the opposition, too) went to (state-funded) "grammar schools", the same sort of institution that I attended. In fact it's something held against Blair, that he went to the highly prestigious, expensive & "posh" public school, Fettes.

    Anyway, asbestos on and checked, flame away ;)

  • by slew ( 2918 ) on Wednesday October 04, 2006 @01:07PM (#16307923)
    I don't know about "plenty of countries" with more wealth per capita...
    According to this study [worldbank.org]...

    1. Switzerland ~9M
    2. Denmark ~5M
    3. Sweden ~9M
    4. United States ~300M
    5. Germany ~82M
    6. Japan ~127M
    7. Austria ~8M
    8. Norway ~4M
    9. France ~59M
    10. Belux ~10M

    Interestingly, the top 3 have their wealth spread over only 20M folks. Of course if you took a look at some regions with 20M folks out of 300M in the US (say california or new york), there's an interesting comparison there...

Anyone can make an omelet with eggs. The trick is to make one with none.

Working...