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Peter Moore Plugs the Wii60 Again 153

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Next Generation is reporting that Peter Moore has once again raised the concept of the 'Wii60', a gamer who has chosen to buy an Xbox 360 and a Wii, instead of ... that other guy's product. From the article: "In a canny piece of anti-Sony propaganda he said, 'Dual platform ownership of Xbox 360 and Wii could be as high as 40% depending on what territory we are talking about. The influence of the Wii-60 movement seems to be growing enormously.' ... But the mischievous Liverpudlian could not resist expressing some doubts about Nintendo's machine. 'The controller is innovative but it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.'"
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Peter Moore Plugs the Wii60 Again

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  • by nweaver (113078) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:03PM (#16233297) Homepage
    How innovative do your thumbs feel after 60 minutes of Halo?
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by jbrader (697703)
      Hasn't this guy ever heard of tennis, golf, foootball, etc etc. These are activities that require much more that swinging a remote control around and yet every day thousands of people voluntarily go out and perform them. In the case of golf and some others they even pay.
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by LordNimon (85072)
        But those people are typically in good shape physically. The average gamer is not.
        • by CastrTroy (595695)
          I realize you said "typically" but you don't have to be in shape to be a golfer. Just look at John Daly [wikipedia.org] for an example. I realize that most of the time thin guys like Tiger Woods end up winning, but there's still some pro golfers who are really out of shape. I also know tons of leisure golfers who couldn't even walk the course if they tried. They use a cart, and never have to walk far, or lift their own clubs.
        • by Jason Earl (1894)

          Moving around is how people get in shape. Unless you have serious medical problems swinging around a remote isn't going to kill you (or even hurt you). I personally would be glad if more video games required a bit of conditioning. People weren't designed to spend their life on their ass.

          • by PFI_Optix (936301)
            There is some concern over whether the controllers will promote ergonomic use. Throwing a football or swinging a bat somewhat comes naturally; pretending to do so...doesn't. It really just depends on what kind of motions people are prompted to make, but I'm betting on there being a failed class-action suit for repetetive strain injuries within the first year.
        • by jbrader (697703)
          I know pleny of golfers with sizable beer bellies, same goes for bowling.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by Cirak (992412)
        He's probably heard of all of the injuries people accumulate doing these voluntary activities, though. Hell, tennis has an elbow injury named for it. I haven't yet heard "video game thumb" as a common injury term thrown around in physical therapy offices.
      • by Khuffie (818093)
        Thing is, most of the time when I'm playing games I feel lazy and not up to much else. Mind you I'm still getting a Wii
      • Hasn't this guy ever heard of tennis, golf, foootball, etc etc. These are activities that require much more that swinging a remote control around and yet every day thousands of people voluntarily go out and perform them. In the case of golf and some others they even pay.

        Sports is not a good analogy. That's a wide range of activities that exercise different muscles, and at different rates. Moore does bring up a good point, and it *is* something to worry about.

        Here's something to try at home or wherever you a

    • by buswolley (591500) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:43PM (#16234117) Journal
      The funny thin about running is that the first time you do it, you can barely finish a mile. You are out of breath and you burn. Guess what. After you run it a few times yor body gets the idea and things become easier. You become stronger, with greater endurance, and.. well healthy.

      Tell me how this is bad? Besides, exercise puts a person in a better mood and wakes you up.. Prime conditions for innovation.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by hollismb (817357)
      Actually, they feel just about the same as when I started. Some people do get blisters or sore thumb-tips though, agreed. Personally, I'm just about as concerened about the Wiimote as Peter is. I definitely want to try it out at some point, but I've always considered games as (at least physically) passive entertainment, something I do as a form of relaxation (I work out and run for excercize). Nintendo has turned that idea completely around. I'm just not sure I like it. Yet.
      • by LKM (227954)

        None of Nintendo's games require you to do anything approaching an exercise. You can play them while sitting in your sofa. It seems that you can jump around and wave your Wiimote, but you don't have to.

  • by tont0r (868535) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:03PM (#16233305)
    'The controller is innovative but it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.'

    People dont seem to realise that you arent going to be cocking your whole arm back and exert enough force to chop a tree down. There are plenty of gameplay videos, including videos of Madden, where its a simple snap of the wrist in order to pass.

    • by JFMulder (59706)
      I don't agree with you. I don't see the point of playing a Wii game by being passive on a couch and doing simple flicks of the wrist. That to me looks incredibly boring. I think the fun in playing the Wii is making the actual motion with your arm. Also, please tell me how you'd similuate a golf swing or a baseball swing with just your wrist. Seems clunky to me. I might as well just push a button.
      • I don't agree with you. I don't see the point of playing a Wii game by being passive on a couch and doing simple flicks of the wrist. That to me looks incredibly boring. I think the fun in playing the Wii is making the actual motion with your arm. Also, please tell me how you'd similuate a golf swing or a baseball swing with just your wrist. Seems clunky to me. I might as well just push a button.

        I think a lot of people, unfortunately, have the same expectation as you do. A lot of it comes from the initial W

        • by JFMulder (59706)
          Actually, I have stopped anticipating the Wii launch for a couple of weeks now. I am well aware that I can't really wave my arm for hours to play, and just doing flicks of a wrist doesn't seem fun to me. So I've stopped caring about the Wii. So what's the point with that controller? I think Nintendo is in for a very nasty surprise.
          • Actually, I have stopped anticipating the Wii launch for a couple of weeks now. I am well aware that I can't really wave my arm for hours to play, and just doing flicks of a wrist doesn't seem fun to me. So I've stopped caring about the Wii. So what's the point with that controller? I think Nintendo is in for a very nasty surprise.

            I think it's good to be skeptical. One other thing that bugs me is that some games (Battalion Wars comes to mind) are treating the Wii-mote interface much like a mouse. You're exp

      • I don't agree with you. I don't see the point of playing a Wii game by being passive on a couch and doing simple flicks of the wrist. That to me looks incredibly boring. I think the fun in playing the Wii is making the actual motion with your arm. Also, please tell me how you'd similuate a golf swing or a baseball swing with just your wrist. Seems clunky to me. I might as well just push a button.

        I'm pretty sure it will depend on the game. There's some videos on YouTube that show actual gameplay, not just

  • by Anonymous Coward
    The Wii60 Plugs Peter Moore

    That sounds much funnier, although it does have a slightly gay overtone.
  • by Terminal Saint (668751) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:06PM (#16233379)
    The question for me is whether owning a Wii on its own is going to be a satisfying enough experience."

    I know my wii brings me lots of satisfaction...
  • by remembertomorrow (959064) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:08PM (#16233429)
    I don't think Slashdot readers will have any problem with arm stamina... :P

    Unless, of course, they don't use their dominant hand.
    • by GweeDo (127172)
      So you are saying that too much shield bashing in Zelda is going to wear me out?
  • That's Microsoft (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dahwang (973539) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:08PM (#16233431)
    There goes Microsoft trying to piggyback off the anticipated success of the Wii. They know the Wii will most likely succeed and will try as much as possible to connect the 360 with the Wii. The fact that the article mentions a Wii, is free publicity for Microsoft. Pretty smart, I must admit.
  • If my shoulder hurts after an hour's play it means I'm actually getting a good workout in. With the obesity levels in America I certainly think we could use the exercise. And if people wonder why your right arm is buff and not your left you can tell them "it's from playing with my Wii". On second thought, you could tell them you're into bowling, fencing [wikipedia.org], or some other sport that favors your right arm over the left.
    • ''Intellectuals think they're smart.''

      Proof follows:

      Intellectuals think, therefore they are smart. QWiiD.
  • by Anonymous Coward
    games.

    all hail great mother india!
  • most gamers (Score:4, Funny)

    by AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:13PM (#16233517)
    well seeing how most gamers play with their wee for 10-15 minutes with a few minutes between for hours on end I'm sure they could handle it.
  • So Sore... (Score:2, Funny)

    by tonyr1988 (962108)
    it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.
    I doubt your shoulder will be any more sore than after an hour's play of real football, baseball, or tennis (or killing people).

    If the biggest problem with the Wii is that it's more realistic than the others (and apparently fun enough to play until you're sore), then props to Nintendo.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I doubt your shoulder will be any more sore than after an hour's play of real football, baseball, or tennis (or killing people).

      If your shoulder is getting sore after an hour of killing people, you really need to improve your techinque. Work smarter, not harder.
  • So you're saying that gamers are so out of shape that its going to put the hurting on you to play tennis for an hour?

    See, in my opinion that is one of the greatest benefits that the Nintendo has. Imgine the marketing campaigns that they will be able to use and tell parents that their children will... now get this *actually get a work-out* while playing. Now, its not going to be the same thing, but it is still better than being totally dormant.

    I am looking forward to playing some tennis, etc with my wife. I
    • by hollismb (817357)
      What happens when you go to the gym and lift weights pretty hard for an hour, and then try to hold you arms up playing a video game for another hour? Do you stop going to the gym in favor of playing video games (which really only will excersize one arm/shoulder), or do you stop playing video games (because doing both could be hard depending on how hard your workout was)? There's the question. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the idea that I'd have to wait a little while for the weakness/lactic acid to work
  • by keyne9 (567528)
    'The controller is innovative but it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.'

    Most likely no worse for wear than your thumbs (damned Street Fighter II).
  • Wii60 is idiotic (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Twiceblessedman (590621) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:34PM (#16233915)
    Let's see, what can I get for the price of a wii60? I can buy a wii, with an extra controller and a few games. The people going around spouting this wii60 crap are just doing the marketing for Microsoft by jumping on Nintendo's coattails which is pretty much brand theft. They are just hoping that this will help their dismal sales as they are about to be trounced by the PS3(especially since they just announced some price cuts) and Wii this christmas.
    • For the cost of a PS3, I could buy an XBOX 360 and a couple of prostitutes to pleasure me while I play Geometry Wars! Clearly this is a superior value.

      You're right, all of these "[non-PS3 console] + [something else] = PS3!" comparisons are pretty dang silly. If I can't afford a PS3, what makes you think I can afford "Wii60"? Not to mention the games you'd have to buy to justify having two consoles -- whether the combo cost the same as a PS3 or not, it would be dumb to have a $250/$400 console with one or
  • Hasn't hurt ... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by rlp (11898) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:37PM (#16233965)
    Dance Dance Revolution - which has been remarkably popular. DDR has even (according to previous Slashdot articles) made it into secondary school phys. ed. programs.
    • by Phisbut (761268)
      Dance Dance Revolution - which has been remarkably popular. DDR has even (according to previous Slashdot articles) made it into secondary school phys. ed. programs.

      DDR looks pretty fun indeed, and a nice way to get fit(ter). Unfortunately, I never dared buy it since I live in a 4th floor apartment and I bet the family living under me would appreciate the dancing... Buying a house next year though, so I might get it then

  • by mbourgon (186257) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:51PM (#16234315) Homepage
    and just buy a Wii? I already have a games machine (my PC), I'm at least somewhat interested in getting a console. Why the hell would I want 2?
    • by puppetman (131489)

      I agree. I have to have a PC for work.

      If I was to get a console, I'd want one more family-friendly, something my wife would like. A controller with umpteen buttons, multiple analog and digital sticks, triggers, yada yada, wouldn't work.

      Something she can swing around to approximate some sort of real-world action would be something she would try and quickly pick up.

      "No no no - press the X-button twice while pushing up on the stick, and then press the left trigger....". No chance that she'd try that more than
  • Of course they question the Wii. They always question the Wii. They are a broken record.

    They also eat babies.
    • Of course they question the Wii. They always question the Wii. They are a broken record.

      They also eat babies.

      Why is questioning a yet-to-be-released console ever a bad thing? Especially one with a vastly different (although very interesting) control scheme?

      People will naturally want to question anything that they don't have, and can't experience for themselves. Plenty of people questioned the 360 before it came out. And plenty of people are questioning both the Wii and the PS3. And many more will question f

  • by kabocox (199019) on Thursday September 28, 2006 @02:58PM (#16234463)
    I went to wiki to find out who this Peter Moore guy was..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Moore [wikipedia.org]
    Peter Moore (chemist) (born 1939), professor at Yale University
    Peter Moore (Microsoft), Microsoft executive
    Peter Bullfrog Moore (1932-2000), Canterbury Bulldogs Rugby League official
    Peter Moore (serial killer) (born c. 1940), British serial killer
    Peter Moore (travel author) (born 1962), Australian travel writer
    Peter Moore (Australian rules footballer), winner of the Brownlow Medal in 1979 and 1984
    Peter Moore (politician), leader of Sheffield City Council, Yorkshire, England

    Comparing the pictures, it turned out to be the MS executive. I was just wondering based on the comments the guy was spouting if he was the politican or serial killer though.
    • by mgblst (80109)
      Obviously not an Aussie rules footballer - who would make a statement about anything over than football, with the AFL coming up this weekend. Come on, don't pretend that you didn't know!
  • The controller is innovative but it remains to be seen how innovative your shoulder will feel after an hour's play.

    God forbid console nerds get some exercise :)
  • by Tom (822)
    Aside from the fact that the guy is working for MS, and as such his words aren't speculations but marketing - why would anyone be so stupid? The Wii is the platform for the living room and looking at the list of games it'll be more than enough in that capacity. What is needed to complete the picture is not another console with the same type of games (just prettier. oh, shiney!) - but instead a proper computer for the non-console games.

    Wii60, yeah right. Good thing they asked marketing first so the initial i
  • by Tom (822)
    the Wii-60 movement

    Like most things Microsoft, even this imaginary movement is total vaporware [wikipedia.org]. Nobody outside of Peter's head has seen a "Wii-60 movement" so far.

    Nor does it make any sense. People are waiting eagerly for the Wii. The fact that some of them already bought an Xbox doesn't make them into some sort of longing-for-the-combined-power freak, and there's as much of a "Wii-60" movement as there's a "Wii-Ford" movement because some people who'll buy a Wii happen to own a Ford car.
    • Like most things Microsoft, even this imaginary movement is total vaporware. Nobody outside of Peter's head has seen a "Wii-60 movement" so far.

      You are wrong. Try doing a Google search for wii60 [google.com], and you'll find plenty of homegrown enthusiasm for it. That's what Moore was referring to.

      I believe this whole thing started shortly after E3 and the PS3 price announcement, when some clever posters in a gaming forum put two and two together and guessed that a Wii + 360 combo would be equivalent to a premium PS3. (

      • a new Internet meme was born.

        I'm not convinced. I practically live on the Internet, the two times during the day where I'm not near a computer that's online is during lunch and when I sleep.

        I've never heard this outside of MS or MS-sponsored channels. None of the people I work with (all tech enthusiasts) have mentioned it. None of the people I mail with have. Maybe it was short-lived, maybe you and I have different circles, maybe it's a US-only phenomenon - but there's no "movement" visible from over here.
        • I'm not convinced. I practically live on the Internet, the two times during the day where I'm not near a computer that's online is during lunch and when I sleep.

          I've never heard this outside of MS or MS-sponsored channels. None of the people I work with (all tech enthusiasts) have mentioned it. None of the people I mail with have. Maybe it was short-lived, maybe you and I have different circles, maybe it's a US-only phenomenon - but there's no "movement" visible from over here.

          Well, perhaps not a true Inter

          • by Tom (822)
            Well, perhaps not a true Internet meme, but a gaming-oriented one. You might be a tech enthusiast, but are you a gaming one?

            Not as much as I used to be. That might explain it. Once "corporate merger" and "meeting" are more common terms for you than "professor" and "spring break", the time that's left is better stand actually playing the games than thinking about them. :-)

            Hints for the hinters.

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