Why Torvalds is Sitting out the GPLv3 Process 365
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from the sidelines dept.
lisah writes "Linus Torvalds has a lot of reasons for not wanting to participate in drafting the third version of the GNU General Public License (GPL): He doesn't like meetings, says committees don't make sense, has philosophical differences with the Free Software Foundation, and seems to be generally distrustful of the whole drafting process. Though Torvalds prefers the GPLv2, he says if others prefer the GPLv3, they ought to support it because 'it's not like it kills and eats small children for breakfast, and must never be allowed.'" Linux.com and Slashdot are both owned by OSTG.
The GPL3 process is not closed (Score:5, Interesting)
Torvalds doesn't need to contribute, but I'm glad he's moved to a more neutral stance. The GPLv2 is old and out of date and though it still works today, will start to crumble in a few years.
In every new project my firm does, we end up adding our own conditions onto the GPL3 (for instance for patents) and it'd be far better to have these defined as standard.
It's good to be critical of processes that aren't clear, and it's entirely possible that the FSF won't be able to produce a worthy successor to GPLv2, which is an incredibly important document in the history of software, but we should give them the benefit of the doubt.
A simpler explanation (Score:5, Interesting)
Torvalds may not like the GPLv3. However, I think that is orthogonal to why he is sitting out the process. At heart, the man is an engineer/coder. How many people work as software engineers/programmers/code monkeys/whatever and jump at the shot to sit in the "politcal" meetings? Seriously. As a general rule, engineers and programmers would rather be engineering and programming. They don't care so much about marketing. They don't care so much about the political undercurrents of the organization. They just want to do their job well.
Re:The GPL3 process is not closed (Score:5, Interesting)
Please explain how a license can "crumble".
The GPL3 process is closed! (Score:1, Interesting)
(You might argue that Linux is totalitarian too, but besides the point that it isnt, you can fork Linux if you think you can do better, while you cannot fork the FSF license creation process. That's why it's so scary.)
Even regular folks like you and me can contribute. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The GPL3 process is not closed (Score:4, Interesting)
it's not like he has a choice (Score:4, Interesting)
Personally, I think the GPLv2 will sooner or later kill the Linux kernel. Some highly successful embedded Linux systems like the WRT54G only became hackable because the manufacturers made a mistake. Evidently, embedded users of Linux just don't get the benefits of openness, and they'll get better and better at circumventing the GPLv2; the GPLv2 will turn more and more into a kind of encumbered BSD license, and you can see how well BSD did with that.
Of course, I'm not too concerned. I think we really need a successor to the Linux kernel anyway, yet the industry is happy to keep running a 30 year old kernel design. If being increasingly the target of GPL circumvention is what it takes to motivate people to move to a new kernel, that's fine with me, too.
Re:The GPL3 process is not closed (Score:3, Interesting)
PostgreSQL, while an excellent product that I still use often, is stagnating while MySQL slowly surpasses it in every way.
I think we should save BSD for simple things such as glue libraries and reference implementations.
So what does Linus really want? (Score:4, Interesting)
What's actually going on here "spin-free" (Score:5, Interesting)
about "free software". What they are truly fundamentally about is
creating a comprehensive category of software which is completely free from
corporate/business control, and which individual users can completely control in
all aspects as they wish.
His fundamental motivation is an anti-corporation, pro-individual/community
point of view. The fact that the mechanism for enabling his version of
"free software" is the GPL and a common pool of open source is
secondary. If he could have gotten a global law enforced that all corporations
must release all their source code freely on the Internet, that's what he would
have done, instead of GNU and GPL.
RMS is an absolutist on this point. He truly sees this as good vs. evil, and as
a belief system about which there can be no question.
To help understand this, http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemI
read this interview.
This is where the insistence that DRM and "Trusted Computing" and
software patents must be abolished comes from. These are all tools that
corporations use to protect their property. RMS does not believe they should
have property like this... that it should all be made available to users with no
control by corporations.
Linux is also licensed under the GPL (v2), but comes from a completely
different motivation than RMS. Torvalds simply believes the open-source
development model is the most effective way to create excellent software.
Torvalds is just fine with corporations and businesses using Linux for profit,
even if that means "controlling" some aspects of its use. He
certainly has opinions on DRM, patents, and "Trusted Computing", but
he's not going to let those get in the way of Linux development.
So now starts the struggle for control of "what is the meaning of free
software". RMS is clearly trying to re-establish his vision of the
principles involved by pushing through GPL v3, because he's seen GPL v2 used in
ways that offend his principles deeply. Is it too late? Has the FOSS movement
taken off to an extent that he no longer controls it? Stay tuned.
Re:The GPL3 process is not closed (Score:3, Interesting)
Uhh, wasn't the fact that BSD was under the cloud of copyright infringement with AT&T's Sys V that caused BSD's slow usage? Linux came in right at that time to steal what could have been BSD's thunder.
At least that is how this old dude remembers it.
And Solaris is a straw man. SunsOS 4.x and older was BSD based. And what NFS, NIS, etc are nothing? As for SunOS 5.x, which is more commonly refered to Solaris, is Sys V Rel 3 based.
License too US centric? (Score:2, Interesting)
Does anyone know if software patents are valid in Asia?
Re:So what does Linus really want? (Score:2, Interesting)
that might be true if everyone voted, but not when you don't have compulsory voting...and not when you don't even get close to 100% turnout of those who are registered to vote.
no, it's not a luddite statement. it's an analysis of the risks vs the benefits. an election is FAR more important than a personal signature, it matters a lot more whether it is fraudulent or not because the scale of damage is far greater.
and, just as significantly, moving from written signatures to electronic signatures isn't a significant reduction in the security of the system because written signatures aren't very secure to start with. by contrast, moving from a many-eyes manual count to an electronic count is a massive reduction in the security of the system.
the miniscule benefits of electronic counting are greatly outweighed by the risks.
because they're going to be affected by the result of the election, regardless of whether they supported the winner or not. the winning candidate is supposed to represent *everyone* in their electorate whether they voted for them or not, they are elected to do a job - to represent the people in their area. it is a peculiarly american attitude that somehow you don't count, your right to be represented is void if you don't vote, or if you didn't vote for the winning candidate.
and, no, the extremists don't know what they're voting for either. for the most part, they're just like football fans voting for their side, regardless of what their policies are. non-compulsory voting means that voting is done by those most sucked in by the hype.
in practice, with compulsory voting, what happens most of the time is that people vote for those who either a) promise to have the least damaging policies, and/or b) offer the most to them (e.g. hospitals, schools, whatever other things are needed in the local community). there's certainly potential for problems here, but it's far better than candidates simply ignoring what the majority of people in their electorate want, to concentrate exclusively on what the nutters and corporate interests want (i.e. appease the nutters to get their vote, and do what their corporate masters tell them to do).