Vista RC1 Build 5728 Publicly Released 317
ClausValca writes "Doing some late-night surfing last night and came across a post over at Cybernet News: Limited Time Only: Vista 5728 Available To The Public. Although apparently intended for the TAP and Technical Beta Testers....it is available for download to the public via this Microsoft public download page for Vista 5728. There is a link on that page as well for direct download of the latest 64-bit flavor of that version as well. An Ars Technica post also has some background info on the new release. Techweb is reporting that Microsoft is specifically asking for feedback on this release, so make sure and let them know what you think."
Beta is the new Alpha and RC is the new Beta (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Beta is the new Alpha and RC is the new Beta (Score:4, Interesting)
(In other news, I have this bridge between Brooklyn and Manhattan, for sale cheap. Paypal accepted!)
Re:Beta is the new Alpha and RC is the new Beta (Score:5, Interesting)
Freezing the API does NOT mean its a release candidate in anyone's universe except Microsofts'.
A release candidate should be what the term implies - something that is actually a candidate for release as the final product, not something that you throw over the wall and hope that it stinks a bit less than the previous attempts.
That they're still beta testing should tell you something about how much their development culture continues to suck.
So, download it early, download it often, and help artificially inflate those "look at the interest" numbers ... just don't install this trojan:
Nice way of getting people to forget that XP already does everything they need, and locking them into having to buy an upgrade at retail prices.
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Re:Beta is the new Alpha and RC is the new Beta (Score:5, Informative)
That's interesting, considering that Windows XP will let you roll back to the previous operating system.
Re:Beta is the new Alpha and RC is the new Beta (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Beta is the new Alpha and RC is the new Beta (Score:5, Interesting)
Now, the Win95/98/ME line, yeah, those were POS OSs that you had to reinstall every month or so. And I understand Joe-sixpack is more likely to click on random "bad things". But has it occured to you that maybe, just maybe, Windows has improved, and that many (but not all) of the problems aren't from windows, but from the layers of shit that people pile on it (Norton, I'm looking directly at you).
Because you haven't used windows since Win98, please stop spewing lines that are no longer true.
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Problem solved.
Really.
I have had a few friends computers who I've had to repair from a state of just hardly running, and in all cases, even when they said 'no... no we don't', all the spyware and adware and junk that was loading them down was due to surfing porn sites or similar.
A cleanup with AdAware, Spybot search and destroy and Hijack this... perfectly working system
Oh, and using Firefox instead of IE.
Problem solved.
No slowdown.
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Contrary to what the article says, its not a "hidden download" that was somehow leaked. Anyone can download it without having to go through all sorts of hoops to get to the download page, and it downloads fine without Internet Exporer OR Windows.
Any "leak" is completely intentional.
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Indeed. I am downloading it on a NetBSD system. Using wget. My
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Unless you install to a different partition/disk. Then it's no problem rolling it back.
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"Most people" have been using your definition of a "preview operating system" for years (potentially unstable features).
Keeping in line with the "Betas are the new Alphas, RCs are the new Betas", its true the the "Gold Masters" have really been Betas for more than two decades. That's "The Microsoft Way."
But from what I've been hearing, Windows XP
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No ... this RC is available to the whole world, intentionally. The idea is to get as many people to use it as possible, and hope that their inertia will cause them to pop for the full purchase price next July.
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Anyone who got XP pre-installed, and doesn't have their recovery disks (or their recovery disks are b0rked), is shit out of luck. Ditto if they haven't got their disk for their mother board, their video card, etc.
Same goes for anyone who bought a retail version, or has the original cd, but can no longer read the teeny tiny almost unreadable micro-font that they printed the product key in, so they can't re-activate it. Or its deteriorated with age, because they were stupid enough to put the sticker on the
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Your concern for these poor people is misplaced, and just posturing on your part. You are not prohibited from copying down the license key number and retaining it at multiple locations. Hell, you can even write down the license key number on a little slip of paper, bring it in to that front area of the WalMart store, pay a few dollars to have in engraved on a metal luggage tag, and wear it aro
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I don't shop at walmart. So if I need anything other than groceries (we do have a local grocery store, but its actually in th next town over, about 3 miles away) I have to drive at minimum, 30 miles. Where I can find a sears hardware, a staples', and a jcpenny's store. And another walmart. If I want something from a Best Buy or Comp USA, etc, I'm driving 130 miles.
None of which really matters to me, I chose to live here, where I can commute to work on a motorcycle getting 50+mpg withou
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Microsoft's universe is about 95% of the domestic PC market and not much less than that world-wide. In this universe you build for the Windows API.
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XP does "everything" anyone needs in the same way that Linux does.
And MS does a pretty thorough job in telling you "don't install this on anything you can't lose."
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It would be nice if they did, because I've had to uninstall every one I've bought. All the way back to 3.0. It wouldn't be that hard for them to come up with an uninstaller that removed all their files, leaving any user-added and 3-rd party files and directories intact.
Come to think of it, it wouldn't be that hard to make a rescue CD that did exactly that:
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Do you really believe that your average Joe SixPack, who decided to try it out because his brother-in-law brought the CD over, is going to be able to recover?
Its marketing, pure and simple.
It'll also ensnare more than a few with keys that have been revoked since they originally installed, and force the rest to sign up for WGA and accept the weekly "phone home". And this is just a few of the consequences off the top of my head.
No, I don't trust them. But then again, I'n not in the unfortunate position
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The house is built, now it needs furnishings. You could just move in the old stuff f
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Re:Beta is the new Alpha and RC is the new Beta (Score:4, Interesting)
How does that undermine what I just said? It quite clearly indicates that RC1 was in no way in hell a real RC -- it was a beta. The code diff between RC1 and what actually goes gold with be massive.
Link to 64-bit edition (Score:5, Informative)
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Not RC1 (Score:4, Informative)
Direct ISO Download Link (Score:4, Informative)
X86 version.
File size: 2622MB
Type: 32-bit
Name: vista_5728.16387.060917-1430_x86fre_client-lrmcfr
Build Number: 5728.16387
Note: Your Beta 2/RC1 product keys will still be valid for this version.
************** From TFA *************
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It's a real shame that they didn't put an updated version of x64 up there. That's the version that really needs some tweaking. Maybe the problems I experienced are more on the driver side but I found 64-bit to be much slower up to and including release 5600.
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Feedback (Score:5, Funny)
Probably a bit too late to ask for POSIX interoperability, eh?
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Re:Feedback (Score:5, Insightful)
Ya, considering they have been POSIX compliant since NT was built in 1992...
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?F
BTW Vista and Longhorn Server ship with a full BSD *nix subsystem (minus an XServer.)
Nothing new to see here, move along...
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Useless link posted: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?Fa [microsoft.com] milyID=896c9688-601b-44f1-81a4-02878ff11778&Displa yLang=en
BTW Vista and Longhorn Server ship with a full BSD *nix subsystem (minus an XServer.)
Uhh... no it hasn't. First of all the link you pasted doesn't even mention POSIX once. Usually when you post a link to corroborate a claim, it's supposed to actually do that.
Do you even know what POSIX means? Ob
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Ok, you really went off on a rant... Calm down, this really isn't this important, even if it bends what you thought was reality.
First to answer your questions, you could actually look th
How to get a valid license key (Score:4, Informative)
Plays nice with boot loaders? (Score:2, Interesting)
Are Microsoft still nuking everything in their path, or do they play nice with the MBR now?
I think we're beyond blaming incompetence if they don't play nice...
Re:Plays nice with boot loaders? (Score:4, Informative)
Short answer - it doesn't even play nicely with other versins of windows.
This is their way of getting people to nuke their current XP installs, then having to buy the final version of Vista by July 1st.
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This is their way of getting people to nuke their current XP installs, then having to buy the final version of Vista by July 1st
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You just have to click on the "Additional instructions can be found on the Customer Preview Program website" linky on . http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/pr e view.mspx [microsoft.com]
Of course, most people are just going to download it and install it. Their WTF Moment(TM) is next June.
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Yeah, it upgrades it when you pick upgrade, just like it always has.
Unless you install to a different partition/disk, then it just adds another entry in boot.ini for you to select when it starts up, like it always has.
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That "WHOOSH" noise you just heard was the Original Poster's question flying right over your head.
Look at the wording in the subject heading - boot loaders - plural. NOT just the Microsoft boot loader.
So no, it doesn't play nice with boot loaders.
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And I'm not that surprised that it doesn't play nicely with other systems' bootloaders. If you type grub-install it doesn't play nicely with MS's either. Nor would Apple's if you ran linux on a Mac.
It would be nice if it did. But there was no WHOOSH. I was replying to what you said, not what you meant to say.
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Perhaps you don't remember how Windows used to offer to "help" by "offering" removing OS/2 or other boot loaders (Win 3.0/3.1 days) rather than silently overwriting the mbr?
You had the option then of not disturbing your original boot-loader, which you could then update yourself to add Windows to the list of bootable OSes.
Somehow or other Microsoft "lost" this capability ... intentionally.
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A friend of mine had a similar experience 2 weeks ago when he bought a new 320-gig drive, doing a fresh install under XP, so I don't think its limited to just Vista ...
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Some fool wrote:
User pdpTrojan's last 24 comments:20 out of 24 at -1
If the final quality of Vista matches the quality of its defenders, Linux damn well better be ready for everybody's desktop.
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BTW, if people are having problems with this, you can easily back the MBR up in linux using the dd command.
dd if=/dev/xxx of=mbr.backup bs=446 count=1
Note that this isn't the entire MBR, just the first 446 bytes of it (its 512 bytes long). This backups only the booting-code and not the partition-table (which you may have changed during install). Then pop in a LiveCD, mount your drive and execute
dd if=mbr.backup of=/dev/xxx bs=446 count=1
And you have your old nice bootloader back. In both examples, r
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Troll? Funny? Interesting? There are so many ways for you to be modded.
"I think we're beyond blaming incompetence"
It's been over 10 years since they started nuking OS/2 MBRs. There's nothing to think about anymore.
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BMO
"... let them know what you think." (Score:3, Interesting)
Microsoft alienated me with the first commercial release of XP. You couldn't change anything about your computer without calling them for a new authorization number. There were also the rumors that XP was 'calling home' with information about what was on your hard drive. I vowed that XP would never enter my house and never sully my work computer. I switched to Linux. It does everything I need done. Why would I switch.
My wife's computer runs Win98. If it weren't for OpenOffice, she would have to switch to be able to read files that her customers send her. As it is, OpenOffice reads all those files just fine, so she doesn't have to switch either.
Microsoft is going to have trouble selling Vista. They are also having legal trouble in Europe. Their response is to say that the economy will be boosted if everyone switches to Vista. http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000097 [linuxjournal.com] They're nothing if not creative. But no thanks anyway Bill.
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Doesn't mean you shouldn't download it ... and download it often. Help artificially inflate all those future numbers projections, AND run up their bandwidth bills with akamai.
Another reason to download it multiple times even if you're running linux - since you'll have multiple legit copies of the fonts, codecs and other dlls, you can use them on multiple linux boxes.
Hard disk space is cheap - if you've got an old drive hanging around, stuff the multiple images there, and put it on a shelf for "future r
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Seeing as I wasn't shown any EULA before downloading, and I don't have to run the install program - just move my now-LEGIT copy of the files from the iso to another place on the same hard drive (just mount the iso on one of the loopback devices), your comment about EULAs is a non sequitur.
Not that I'd bother using it - but for those who want the option, this is one way to use Microsoft dlls for those who still think the
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It's just like, in the days of Win95, saying that selling Win98 would be a problem.
or in the days of Win98, saying that no one will ever buy XP.
VMWare? (Score:2)
Re:VMWare? No go disk with 57xx (Score:2)
Vmware support for Vista is "experimental"
I have been able to run all Vistas up to and including 5600.
When I go to install 57XX I get a prompt to install a disk driver.
Microsoft had to go out of it's way to delete the driver or prevent it from
working with vmware.
Perhaps they want real error reports from bare metal installs.
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Since the main new feature of Vista is an UI that uses 3D accelerated special effects, I'd say "everyone".
The kind of feedback they're looking for (Score:3, Funny)
Torrent (Score:2)
Has anyone tried downloading by the bittorrent yet?
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DRM and OpenGL? (Score:2)
Re:DRM and OpenGL? (Score:4, Informative)
As for DRM, well. Nothing in Vista itself is going to prevent you from copying DVD's, software or music or any other such thing. Windows Media files will still be protected of course, and HDCP will HAVE to be built into all HD-DVD/Blu-ray drives and decoders (read: the hardware) for you to watch this material.
The DRM issue with respect to Vista is all mythic. The only true rights taken away from you in Vista compared to XP are in the 64bit (x64) edition, under which, you cannot install unsigned drivers (unless you add an option to the Vista bootloader which isn't that difficult).
No such boot option in final release (Score:3, Informative)
There is something called "test signing", but this is a pain to enable. Also, if either test signing is enabled or driver signature checking is disabled, Windows Media Player refuses to play protected songs and movies. Protection against rootkits my ass.
Melissa
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I cannot believe this FUD hasn't died down yet. In case you haven't noticed, no version of Windows provides hardware-accelerated OpenGL support out of the box. This includes Windows 2000 and XP. Such support has always been added by drivers supplied by hardware manufacturers. Why would Vista be any different?
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What is the minimum required to run Vista, even if not getting the perfect experience? Is asking to run on a P3 with 512 MiB RAM asking too much?
Is it really from Microsoft? (Score:2)
Seriously though, why is this not part of the microsoft.com domain?
My thoughts on RC1 (Score:2, Interesting)
It's still pretty.
Explorer likes to hang when transfering files.
IAC is still annoying, and over done.
If Vista doesn't specifically recognize that you own a file, it's read only. This means you have to either download a file, or have it in your directory. Deleting or moving something on any secondary drives (I have 3 other hard drives) is a serious pain. This means usually manually changing ownership, changing read writes, and then repeating thi
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The only one I'd like to respond to though - the Security Center. I'd rather NOT have Symantec getting their fingers into the Security Center. Yes, it opens them up for more anti-trust issues... but I'd prefer them to hold their ground.
When I reformatted my parent's/family computer, I installed the latest Symantec package (antivirus + firewall) just for that 'extra layer' of security (even though anybody with two bits of knowledge in the subject can bypass it). All users on this comp
Download information (Score:2)
Using FireFox MS requires you to allow a Java download utility to maintain the download. Prepair for screen resizings.
Looks like Microsoft is using Akamai for distribution, so it should be fast globaly.
Gah!! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:How long? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:How long? (Score:5, Informative)
Had this puppy for a week already and may actually get around to installing it, this time....
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If Vista thinks it's still 1990, and you make sure it doesn't phone home for the correct date, will you have 17 years worth of use?
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Most likely it's a simple, check the bios on install, compare that to lockout date, then prevent install if biosdate > lockoutdate. During install, write a single bit to the disk config sectors to prevent reinstall, then, after install, start counting days.
This is a very basic setu
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FTA :
Note: Your Beta 2/RC1 product keys will still be valid for this version.
Re:Product Key (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Change Log (Score:5, Funny)
They did - and they saved it in Word format, and its corrupted. So far, 3 employees have been wounded by flying chairs for suggesting they use OpenOffice to open and re-save it.
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Re:My experience with Vista (Score:5, Insightful)
If you give up that quickly on Windows, an OS that often takes the approach of insulating users from functionality through a very fine-tuned UI aimed for maximum user friendliness, then I hate to think what must have happened when you tried an OS that takes a "more power to the user" ideology, like say, "Linux"?
Step 1: Install Linux
Step 2: Try to compile something
Step 3: It breaks, throw-away Linux in absolute disgust
Step 4: Return to pre-configured Microsoft Bob, where it's safe.
To further add to the absurdity of the previous post, the code you are using is _NOT_ finished. I'm not defending Windows, just preaching common sense. It's quite possible it could have been a bug specific to the users setup.
It's uninformative, ridiculous comments like the former that harm Slashdot, offering a stereotypical Windows bashing with no real merit, contributing nothing.
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For your information, my copy of Ubuntu came pre-compiled...
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In his drivers or in the OS?
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But the other picture- Borg Gates? (Score:2)
dis microsoft windows, you have a problem with
dis chief architecht, you don't mention at all?
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You Never Tried Linux Have You? (Score:2)
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More drivers, and devs including more of the drivers that are available instead of just their favorites. (Not a troll, I'm a Debian-user, but the driver situation still sucks in the *nix world.)
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Take it for what it's worth.
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Ok, I think you should at least try it. You are the target audience MS is trying to hit.
I think you will find yourself surprised. Vista is faster than WindowsXP if you have 512mb of RAM. (Yes a step jump from the 128mb XP threshold)
The other thing you will find as you use Vista is the OS doesn't look 'extremely' different, but you find yourself using many of the new features.
Right now going back to
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As a Windows application developer I appreciate frequent and early looks at the OS so I can build and test my code against it. This is far, far better than getting blindsided by upset user calls when Vista hits the street and my apps all break. So I guess the short answer to your question is, self-preservation. Now, if you are not a Windows application developer then I guess I can unde
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I, for one, am happy to be able to get something that others will get 6 months later and that will, let's face it, change the computer industry. And not just get it... Get it for free too!
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