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Advertising Comes to DVR Owners 294

bill_kress writes "According to Reuters, television studios are finally trying to target DVR viewers with advertising. The effort, however, seems rather backwards — They are extending the same exact image across the entire 30 second commercial so that TIVO Viewers will be forced to view at least one frame. Wouldn't it be better to add value to the viewing experience instead?" From the article: "The advert for its new drama 'Brotherhood' will show a single image on the screen for the entire 30-second slot, and therefore retain its "sales message" when viewed even at the 12-times speeds enabled by Sky+ and other digital recorders, also known as personal video recorders, or PVRs. Advertisers have been racing to find ways to get messages through as higher numbers of consumers watch TV programs when they want using such recorders, often skipping the commercials."
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Advertising Comes to DVR Owners

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  • Ads Targeting TiVo (Score:5, Interesting)

    by lpoulsen ( 148228 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @04:13PM (#16116357) Homepage
    GE did something infinetely more intelligent a few months ago.
    The last second of their ad was a set of single frames with interesting information. To see what was there, you had to repeatedly watch the ad until you managed to hit pause at just the right time so you could single-step through the hidden content.

    That way, (at least some) TiVo owners ended up spending 15 minutes on a 30-second ad. Now THAT's creative!!
  • by russ1337 ( 938915 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @04:24PM (#16116465)
    The last second of their ad was a set of single frames with interesting information. To see what was there, you had to repeatedly watch the ad until you managed to hit pause at just the right time so you could single-step through the hidden content.
    You are right.. that is amaizing. This is the exact type of thing I like to see - innovation! Not the 'cry cry cry, they are fast forwarding our ads, we need a new law' BS! Word up to GE. I'd like to see this example used AGAINST those trying to put through more DRM and laws to back it up... along the lines of......

    "GE managed to get consumers to spend 15 minutes on a 30 second ad with their TiVo, how come your company is trying to stop TiVo's? aren't you CLEVER enough to think of this kind of innovation? - Nah, nah na nah nahhhh! [/teasing]
  • Re:Doh! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Odiumjunkie ( 926074 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @04:30PM (#16116505) Journal
    What would be better is carefully crafted ads that will have significance at 12x - perhaps even reveal hidden easter eggs only visible by watching them fast, by working out which frames will actually be viewable when watched at that speed. Messages and animations could be inserted that would be un-noticeable at a normal speed, assuming that 12x will skip frames predictably. A variety of steganography, almost. It would encourage DVR users to view them, especially if the easter eggs were clever or funny, revealed a hidden context around the normal ad.
  • Re:Wow (Score:3, Interesting)

    by johndierks ( 784521 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @04:33PM (#16116524)
    My Tivo has 60x fast forward... so advertisers will have a 1 in 2 chance of me seeing their single frame! I guess they're the gambling type. In all reality, the bigger problem is the huge ads they're overlaying at the bottom of the shows I'm watching. They're animated and very distracting, which is the point after all. Today, they're for other shows on the network, but I'm sure they'll soon be for other products.
  • Re:Wow (Score:3, Interesting)

    by russ1337 ( 938915 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @04:41PM (#16116587)
    In all reality, the bigger problem is the huge ads they're overlaying at the bottom of the shows I'm watching
    I hate those things... I call them pop-ups. The remind me of the old Kazza that was loaded with gozilla ad-ware or some crap. They really piss me off. I take no notice of what they are, or I end up associating being pissed off with what the ad is for.

    No adaware or spybotS&D is going to scrub those things. There is no escaping them. What do we do?
  • Re:Go Go! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dmnic ( 452122 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @04:46PM (#16116628)
    way to be offtopic...

    Digital Networks is still in business and they werent sued. they didnt market themselves like Tivo so they didnt make as much money. the ended up selling the company to Digital Networks. while they dont make hardware anymore, but they still release software updates for the existing Replays.

    does the new series 3 Tivo still require a landline for intial setup of the box?
    if you want lan connectivity, do you still have to buy the usb adapter?
    how long did it take Tivo to enable(without hacking) you to tranfer recorded programs from your Tivo to your pc?
    do I need to go on about the superiority of the ReplayTV box or should I stop now?

    having used both, there are 2 things Tivo did better than ReplayTV:
    1) marketing
    2) channel guide layout
  • by Arielholic ( 196983 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @04:46PM (#16116629)
    "The last second of their ad was a set of single frames with interesting information."

    Then why not extend that and fill the whole 30 seconds with interesting information?
  • by garcia ( 6573 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @04:47PM (#16116633)
    I was far more intrigued with the simplicity of the HeadOn [youtube.com] commercial (no, the YouTube segment is not skipping -- the commercial is really like that).

    I have absolutely no idea what HeadOn is for or why they are advertising it but it was enough to make sure we stopped the Tivo to watch it. Then we watched it again and again to make sure that we were laughing for good reason ;)
  • Good thing... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Phillup ( 317168 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @04:51PM (#16116667)
    that I watch my shows months after they are recorded.

    I mean, I'd really hate to be suckered in by an advertisement that was actually relevant!

    But, by watching everything months later I can be sure that any shows being advertised will have been shown long ago... and, like every other frikken commercial... of absolutely no use to me.

    So, until I'm:

    1) geriatric
    2) female
    3) senile
    4) stupid
    5) impotent
    6) over weight
    7) bored
    8) unable to solve my own problems
    9) unable to read

    etc...

    I think I'll just keep skipping commercials. Because, at best... they are a complete waste of my time.
  • by michrech ( 468134 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @04:53PM (#16116688)
    Isn't this how it always is though? When Cable TV first arrived it was touted as having no commercials and then they came. We used to have the luxury of not watching commercials at the movie theatre because we paid to be there, now we have to watch the same trailer for the same bad tv show over and over again while we wait for the movie to start. The "no commercials" idea is IMHO a bait and switch maneuver that for some reason always works on consumers. The ridiculous number of commercials is the main reason I don't watch tv anymore. There are some shows I might like to see, but I'm not willing to sit through all the commercials to see them. Of course, it doesn't help that most of the shows are bad shows with excessively overpaid actors which brings us back to the insane amount of commercials, they have to pay for the talent, or lack thereof.

    While I'm not old enough to remember not having commercials on Cable TV, I did have a comment about movie theaters.

    The local 8 room theater has a slide show that is sync'ed to an audio track. This plays BEFORE the movie start time. You can avoid it outright, IF you are willing to get into the room as the movie starts. You still have the few movie trailers, but I like to see them because I often see them before they hit TV. When I went on vacation to SoCal to see my father, I went into an AMC and a Cinemark -- BOTH played really annoying full motion TV commercials (LONGER versions) *at* the movie start time. Both my father and I were debating leaving because of it.

    Back to the local theater (to me). I happen to know the guy that runs it (did some PC work for him when I worked for a local PC repair shop). I told him that I would no longer visit his business if he *ever* did that. He agreed that it is annoying and then went into a talk about how expensive it is to run a theater. After he finished, I told him it was not the fault of the studios, but the theater owners -- the theater owners are the ones that are allowing the studios to walk all over them. They need to band together and negotiate with the studios for better pricing or refuse to show the movies. He told me it'd never work, and started in on his thoughts as to why. I interrupted him mid-thought and told him, "If a good majority of the theaters -- chains and individually owned - just stopped showing movies, it will hit the studios bottom lines. If the theater owners provided very simple, clear, and easy to understand information on their closed and locked doors, with phone numbers to the studios, people WILL complain, and things WILL change."

    Will that be easy? No. I think it will need to happen, though. It's expensive enough on theater owners (especially independants) to equip their theaters, they don't need high movie prices to finish them off.

    To bring me back to topic -- My brand new DVR625 (I think that's the model -- it's the newer SD dual tuner Dish Network has) has a 30-ish second skip. The day it no longer operates as expected is the day it gets boxed back up and sent to Dish. I've been a customer of theirs for 6 or so years and won't put up with that. Unlike many TV addicted homes, I will have no problems getting rid of it and buying any shows I currently watch on DVD or getting the rest from 'the tubes'.

  • by PRMan ( 959735 ) on Friday September 15, 2006 @05:14PM (#16116863)

    &gt&gt&gtWhy do people watch Internet Video ads (the ones that come before clips)?

    I don't. I spend the whole 20 seconds trying to figure out how to skip it (and often succeeding).

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