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Windows Monoculture Myopia Revisited 319

round stic writes "eWeek magazine has an interesting look at the effects of the Windows monoculture on IT budgets, even as everyone agrees on the severity of the inherent security risks. The article contains interviews with Dan Geer and others who warned about the risks of the Windows monopoly three years ago. The article coincides with a piece in the Observer that suggests Vista is the end of the Microsoft monolith because of how complex the operating system has become."
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Windows Monoculture Myopia Revisited

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  • by McDutchie ( 151611 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @07:39AM (#16087593) Homepage

    From the article:

    How can hackers, scattered across the globe, working for no pay, linked only by the net and shared values, apparently outperform the smartest software company on the planet?

    Why do people keep perpetuating this myth? It should be widely known by now that all the important Linux developers get paid by their respective employers to work on the kernel. That's possibly the most significant sign of widespread acceptance of the open-source development model -- that companies such as IBM would pay their own employees to do work on a public project that is not exclusively to their own benefit.

    In the same sentence, the author managed to confuse "richest" with "smartest" as well. I'm not very impressed with this article.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @07:39AM (#16087596)
    I know, RTFA is a strange concept on /., but this time around it's really needed.

    Why? Because the article is not about the downfall of MS as the headline seems to suggest, but about the way complex software is build. It suggest that building big, monolithic applications has reached an end as Vista shows that even a huge company like MS can't really write complex software in this way anymore.

    Now agree or disagree with this, but please spare us the "OMG MS will never die" comments.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @07:41AM (#16087599)
    With new virtualization technologies coming through, I think it's about time for Microsoft to scrap backward compatability being built directly into Windows. It just leaves so many holes unplugged. Start Blackcomb with a clean slate, include a Win32 sandbox environment, and be done with it.
  • Windows monopoly (Score:4, Insightful)

    by geirhell ( 988825 ) <geirarild@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @07:43AM (#16087604)
    On a side-note: Windows monopoly also ensures you can go to inner Mongolia, switch on a local computer and with 90-odd percent chance make sense of whatever pops up on screen. It means everyone has a common UI that is known by many (most?) members of modern civilization. Easily, Windows is, barring the ill effects of monopoly on commercial businesses and security, the greatest single stab at standardizing computer UI so far in computer history. And quite sucessful at that.
  • by RAMMS+EIN ( 578166 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:00AM (#16087656) Homepage Journal
    Building large, complex software in a monolithic way has always been at an end. This is why monstrosities like MS Windows, MS Office, Mozilla, and Linux are so full of bugs and so difficult to extend.

    Interestingly, they have also all found the solution to the extensibility problem: modularization. Indeed, MS Office macros, Mozilla plugins, and Linux kernel modules are all popular ways to add functionality, and they work reasonably well. Of course, you need the whole of MS Office, Mozilla, or Linux (at least the binary and the headers) for this to work, and new versions of the monolithic software often break the modules. And it still doesn't solve the complexity of maintaining the monolithic software; thus they are all still full of vulnerabilities, Windows still crashes, Mozilla still leaks memory, etc.
  • by Chaffar ( 670874 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:02AM (#16087667)
    In the same sentence, the author managed to confuse "richest" with "smartest" as well. I'm not very impressed with this article.
    Well, it WOULD make sense that the world's richest company should be able to afford hiring the smartest people in the field. I mean, it has worked in every other industry, why wouldn't it work in this one?
    Maybe it's because the world's number 1 software company didn't get to where it is today by outperforming its rivals :) (yes I'm flaming get over it)
  • by Bob_Villa ( 926342 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:02AM (#16087668)
    I think that for the next release of Windows, they should just stop trying to support old hardware and software. Just write a small, compact kernel that is secure, and have turn everything else into independent modules that can be easily switched out, similar to Linux and Unix. If you don't like your filesystem, change it. If you don't want IE, take it out and put in Firefox.

    I think the UI is fine and they should keep it fairly consistent. But if they'd just lose having to support things that ran on 95, 98, 2000, ME, ... they would make their lives a lot easier. Plus, without all of the old legacy code in there it would probably be more secure. And maybe for that version we could have WinFS.

    And dump the registry, that was a really stupid idea.

    But I think this could work. Most new copies of the OS are sold on computers built by Dell and other pc makers so they can control what goes in them. Hardware could be certified to work on the new version. Fairly new hardware could get new drivers that could be loaded on and it would work too. But older stuff would just get left behind.

    Anyway, just a thought. On a random note, painting a two story house by yourself sucks!
  • by guruevi ( 827432 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:10AM (#16087697)
    I disagree strongly. Go to another (english) computer and the average computer user will not know what to do. The order and number of items changes and their all whacked out of place running around as a chicken without a head that the computer is broken.

    Yes, we sysadmins can relate to certain icons in any language but it's not as strong as knowing command line scripting and making the computer do stuff through that. A script is in general not made to click on certain well-known places but instead executes some commands that have effect on the computer.

    That is why *nix (Linux, BSD, ...) is so loved among the real sysadmins because it lets them do stuff on all computers no matter what language the GUI is in. A GUI is for simple users and maybe some people that got privileges to change some settings, power users and sysadmins need the command line to get the computer to do stuff fast and reliable especially if you're in a multi-lingual and more important in a multi-charset environment.

    I am a Mac sysadmin for a large company and I can get the computers in Singapore to do the same things I let the local branches do but I have generally no idea what to do when I'm using Remote Desktop.
  • by HawkinsD ( 267367 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:21AM (#16087739)
    The end of the Microsoft monolith? I don't think so. OK, so Vista is bloaty, and a monoculture is risky. So what? Are the masses of IT directors going to think, "Gee, monoculture is bad, I think I'll replace all my Dell desktops with iMacs"?

    There are approximately one grillion machines running XP and Windows 2000, and doing their jobs more or less successfully (if not securely), and being supported. Many (most?) will not be upgraded to Vista, given the high costs and dubious benefits. So they will stay the same.

    How does this work out to the end of the monolith?

  • by Fordiman ( 689627 ) <fordiman @ g m a i l . com> on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:22AM (#16087747) Homepage Journal
    Makes you wonder what would have happened if MS accepted open source a while ago, used the Linux Kernel as the core for a largely proprietary OS (e.g.Linux and its driver model get worked on by MS as a commodity, and they run proprietary apps on top of it, like OSX does with BSD).

    Where would they both be now if they stopped fighting in, say, 1999?
  • by Anonymous Brave Guy ( 457657 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:31AM (#16087779)

    How can hackers, scattered across the globe, working for no pay, linked only by the net and shared values, apparently outperform the smartest software company on the planet?

    In the same sentence, the author managed to confuse "richest" with "smartest" as well. I'm not very impressed with this article.

    It's not like there's one absolute "smartest software company on the planet", but if there were, Microsoft would probably have a pretty good claim on the title. In terms of their developers, they have a lot of very smart people in the business working for them. In terms of business, they are one of the most successful companies on the planet. You might not like them, but I don't see how you can deny that they're smart by any relevant standard.

  • by thbb ( 200684 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:34AM (#16087793) Homepage
    Parent poster definitely gets it right:

    The Free Software Movement is not really driven by idealistic motives, but rather by a simple economic fact: because its marginal cost (i.e. the asymptotic cost of producing an extra copy) is null, free market forces and competition are bound to make all useful pieces of software freely available.

    Note this is different from music or art in general: in art, the novelty/originality of a piece of work has an intrinsic value, which is not the case for software.

    Some more elaboration of the idea: Software is meant to be free [baudel.name]
  • by LaughingCoder ( 914424 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:49AM (#16087843)
    Maybe it's because the world's number 1 software company didn't get to where it is today by outperforming its rivals

    Talk about perpetuating myths! They did outperform their rivals, by definition. You can't argue that they abused their monopoly powers in order to *become* a monopoly. They outperformed their competitors, achieved market dominance, and THEN achieved their monopoly status. I know it's hard for you to admit, but at one time MS was the scrappy little guy competing against entrenched giants like IBM, HP, DEC, ... and the only way they could survive was to outperform them.
  • by gutnor ( 872759 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:54AM (#16087874)
    My father thinks computers are unnecessary, and he has never used one (except in case of life or dead )...

    The amount of crap he doesn't have to deal with is even more astounding. Off course he knows that other people ( like me ) chose differently but he doesn't care and I also noted that he doesn't find other people reasons convincing.
  • by 14CharUsername ( 972311 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:57AM (#16087886)

    But did MS add anything? MS didn't do anything to make GUIs popular, it was GUIs that made MS popular. If MS didn't exist GUIs would have still became popular, because that is what people want. If MS didn't exist we would still be using GUIs now, except we would be complaining about Apple computer's evil monopoly.

    MS didn't really do anything significant other than being in the right place at the right time, with the right contract with IBM.

  • bullshit (Score:3, Insightful)

    by stinky wizzleteats ( 552063 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @08:58AM (#16087894) Homepage Journal
    That convenience of one platform means less management expense. So far, companies are going with lower costs over susceptibility.

    Alternatives to Windows are free. As in beer. As in licensing costs: $0. License management costs: $0. Time spent calling to re-license the operating system because you installed a sound card: $0. License audit exposure: $0. As in infinity% cheaper than Windows. As in incremental cost per unit = 0. The cost of alternative supporting application and utility software is $0. Alternative database application software is $0. Alternative firewall softare is $0. Alternative antivirus software (if and as applicable) is $0. Word processing software - $0. Systems/network management tools - wait for it - $0. Documentation [gentoo.org],comprehensive howto resources [tldp.org], and technical support [ubuntuforums.org] - all $0.

    Turning away from solutions such as Linux because of cost is like being on fire and turning away from a bucket of water because the water might be too hot. Arguing against alternatives to Windows on the basis of cost is the very height of idiocy and is ultimately disingenuous. The real issue when considering alternatives is the fear of change and organizational inertia. How much of either can your company afford?
  • by vhogemann ( 797994 ) <`victor' `at' `hogemann.com'> on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @09:05AM (#16087917) Homepage
    Funny thing is,

    Here at Brasil, the word "smart" doesn't always means "intelligent". For us at Rio de Janeiro, "smart" (esperto in portuguese) is someone that is good at taking advantage over other people, by ignoring the rules or fair-play.

    So, in a way... yes, Microsoft is full of "smart" people. :-)
  • by popeyethesailor ( 325796 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @09:08AM (#16087935)
    +5 insightful indeed.

    They are not running some school project; they build operating systems that run on 99% of computers. So MS as a company needs to throw away their mature codebase and build a new operating system from scratch? And alienate millions of existing customers by breaking compatibility? And facilitate 3rd party apps instead of promoting their own products? Wishful thinking maybe; but insightful? hardly.
  • by rucs_hack ( 784150 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @09:08AM (#16087937)
    agreed

    If people know anything about the Unix wars then it would become very clear that Unix vendors were fighting amongst each other to 'lock in' customers by deliberatelly making their unix versions incompatible in the eighties. It was a real mess, because if you bought one unix licence, you had to have your apps written for it, and you couldn't move without massive expense.

    This wasn't the unix philosophy, it was the 'make loads of money' philosophy, and it wrecked unix as a serious platform for most businesses at the time (not meaning huge businesses here).

    Meanwhile this tiny little company called microsoft offered a cheap and easy way out of the mess, called DOS. Ok, it was a bit shit, and ripped off CP/M something rotten, but it did what business wanted, and meant they could get away from the ravages of the Unix wars. Plus it was offered by IBM, which sounded very good indeed at the time, and was available on other hardware to if the IBM stuff was too costly.

    I tried DOS back in the day, and it was ok. Not great, but ok. I prefer Linux now, but back then Unix was what the cool guys down at the local powerstation used when I was a kid.

    Nowadays I prefer Linux for coding. I never use normal Unix, except for the odd dabble in BSD to produce ports of software. Until Linix though I never would have considered Unix as a serious platform to develop for. When I encountered it at Uni they still had four different Unix versions, and I had to re-code for each one, which meant I used the Solaris boxes, and nothing else until the first Linux boxes appeared, as duel boots with windows, and I was hooked.

    So yes, there was a time when microsoft were the good guys, just as there was a time when IBM were the bad guys.
  • by SaDan ( 81097 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @09:11AM (#16087951) Homepage
    Sounds more like you had incompetent people in your video production department, and an IT director who didn't want to be stuck in the stone ages with hardware he had to support.

    Sorry, but I deal with the same type of Mac users where I work. I'd love to get rid of the Macs, and hopefully the majority of the idiots behind those keyboards.

  • by Malc ( 1751 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @10:02AM (#16088199)
    I think what that means is is that their OS has become progressively better and better to the point where people don't see the point of upgrading. Win95 was dramatically better than Win 3.11. NT4 was on another planet it was so much better than Win95, even if it couldn't run everybody's games. A lot of us remember how /. used to hammer NT4 for requiring reboots and the BSOD. Win2000 finally delivered on stability and made NT more compatibile. XP brought the Win9x and NT lines together, and somehow became even more stable (in my experience) than Windows 2000. Going from 2000 to XP wasn't as big a leap switching any other version before. XP does what its designed to do well. So what does Vista offer people?
  • by Overly Critical Guy ( 663429 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @10:09AM (#16088227)
    You can't argue that they abused their monopoly powers in order to *become* a monopoly.


    Sure you can.

    I know it's hard for you to admit, but at one time MS was the scrappy little guy competing against entrenched giants like IBM, HP, DEC, ... and the only way they could survive was to outperform them.


    Yes, they were the little guy. But that all changed when IBM stupidly entered into a contract allowing Microsoft to ship the OS on every IBM PC, while still retaining the software rights. This brought the company massive revenues as PCs became a commodity, allowing them to expand into other markets.

    They did not outperform anyone; they were in the right place and got lucky.
  • by marcello_dl ( 667940 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @10:22AM (#16088293) Homepage Journal
    Yesterday at work I crashed Word on one machine and had another not recognizing a working smb/cifs share. M$ has still a lot of work to do to come near my mac and desktop linux (unless i use betas) experience.

    I think vista will pull it off eventually. But only because of the existence of Linux, if M$ fails with vista it's kaputt.
  • by nuggz ( 69912 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @10:34AM (#16088351) Homepage
    So you mean
    "They got set up as the default and made their software good enough."

    Note I didn't just say good, nor did I say not bad.
    They just made it good enough so people didn't really look for an alternative.

  • by Jugalator ( 259273 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @10:42AM (#16088403) Journal
    The difficulties in developing Vista stemmed from its monolithic structure and the need for 'backwards compatibility', ie ensuring that software used by customers on older versions of Windows will work under Vista. This vast accumulation of legacy applications acts like an anchor on innovation. The Vista trauma has convinced some Microsoft engineers that they will have to adopt a radically different approach.

    I can't really agree with this. The major problems came when Microsoft decided, after about two years in development since the start in ~2002, that they were to change the foundation of "Longhorn" from Windows XP SP2 to Windows Server 2003. This was also by the time Microsoft changed their goals of what their next OS should be. Yes, when it was in the middle of development! Development managers may start feeling dizzy now and consider leaving Microsoft. :-p Needless to say, when you do this in any kind of large project and most definitely the largest operating system in the world, you'll have a big price to pay.

    I wouldn't even want to do it in a personal software project.

    To see the problem, check out this build 5048 review [winsupersite.com] (build 5000 was the kernel switch) with screenshots. It looks almost like "old Windows" again with mostly the same old features after a few years in development? Windows enthusiast Paul Thurrott is screaming blood. What happened to the progress they had made? Well, they had to strip a ton of features to get their stuff working again. Say hello to huge two year delays, feature cuts, and sweating.

    So Vista seems to me to be more about a planning/design mistake than a complex beast that will take around 5 years to get out the door. Vista has actually only had around 2-2.5 years of uninterrupted development on the correct kernel and with the final goal of what it should even do!

    I'd like to object to the article and actually claim I'm impressed by how quickly Microsoft put together something that looks to even end up as stable during that short time with this many features, given the stupidity that went on in planning. Or rather in-development-planning.

    Of course, WinFS and other technologies had to go due to this wild change of focus in mid-development, but that's not surprising or a lack of efficiency due to having think of backwards compatibility, like this article claims.

    But it's at the same time very visible how Microsoft is struggling, and I'm doubting we will see a clean release of this one when it "goes gold".
  • embracement (Score:3, Insightful)

    by sTeF ( 8952 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @10:55AM (#16088477) Homepage Journal
    i think the article raises an interesting point. virtualization technology.
    if you think about it, this could mean that ms ships as a host operating system and one preinstalled 'guest' operating system.

    from this point on, anyone can run his sw in windows, older versions of windows (with which it is competing) and most of all: any linux distro or other OS.

    this further on means, that non-technical people will run linux on their boxes, like any other application. for them, there is no big difference whether it's an application or a complete operating system. this means also, that ms has found it's niche, where it always was. the end user. i doubt that there will be many non-technicals, that will later change to have another OS as their host operating system.

    this also solves the 64bit problem, the old 32 bit apps can still be run.
  • by jZnat ( 793348 ) * on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @10:58AM (#16088502) Homepage Journal
    So you're assuming that at least 50% of the people using Windows are going to get new machines in less than 6 months? Ha! I'd say at least 50% of Windows machines in existence are enterprise/corporate desktops/workstations, and many of those are finally upgrading to XP. Maybe in 6 years Vista will be the most widely deployed Windows OS, but in the meantime, XP and 2000 will continue to dominate.
  • Re:bullshit (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Tony ( 765 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:05AM (#16088544) Journal
    Training is a big issue, but if you think Vista won't require retraining, you're insane. If you think the next version of MS-Office won't be more unfamiliar than OpenOffice, you're insane. (Whether OOo is a viable replacement is another issue entirely, and very domain-specific.)

    So maybe they use virtualization to access their Windows apps you ask... - legally, they need a Windows license at that point, so your entire argument is gone and in fact they've done nothing but increase the costs in doing business and added a layer of obfuscation to everyone's process.


    WINE is surprisingly mature these days. You can run many business apps on it today. No MS-Windows license required.

    These are the only quibbles I have with your analysis. I was going to respond in a similar fashion. But I thought I'd jump in with my thoughts on these two points.
  • by Todd Knarr ( 15451 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:14AM (#16088591) Homepage

    It's interesting the unstated assumption in the arguments against heterogenity: that any given company must support multiple platforms for heterogenity to work. I don't think that's true, though. If any given company uses a single platform, but different companies choose different single platforms, the end result is much the same overall: exploits have a much smaller target they'll work on.

    And further, I don't think the arguments about the cost of supporting multiple platforms hold up. There's more than enough research supporting the contention that it takes fewer people to support Unix-based desktops than Windows-based ones, and that makes sense given the remote-admin capabilities built into desktop Unix that come from it's server roots. So suppose a company switches to a 50/50 mix of Windows and Linux desktops, and a Linux tech can support twice as many desktops as a Windows tech could. Yes, supporting two platforms costs more than supporting one. But at the same time you've just halved the number of Windows support people you need because you've got half the number of Windows desktops (assuming you've got more than 1 or 2 people could support). You need to replace them with Linux support people, but you only need 1 Linux guy added for every 2 Windows guys you're dropping. If you started with 4 Windows techs, you'd drop 2 Windows techs and add 1 Linux tech for a total of 3 techs now. That's a 25% drop in personnel costs. When figuring costs, you have to add in the reduction in personnel costs as well. Plus there's the reduction in licensing costs that offset any increase from having multiple platforms.

    And finally, there's the BSA. We've all read the reports about their audits and the havoc they create. If your company's already supporting non-proprietary platforms, you're in a much better position to do an Ernie Ball if the BSA gives you grief.

  • Re:bullshit (Score:3, Insightful)

    by stinky wizzleteats ( 552063 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @11:14AM (#16088593) Homepage Journal
    At no point in your response did you directly speak to the issue of cost. You talked exclusively about expertise. I'll take the liberty of inserting your reply below:

    "But expertise costs money!"

    When you hired your current IT expertise, did you buy carbon, water, phosphorus, etc. and construct them from scratch? Or did you have an expectation that they would be an assembled organism and that they (I know this is a wild idea) might actually bring some knowledge and experience with them to the job interview? Do you have expectations for them that they might need to continually brush up on that knowledge and be prepared to deploy new types of systems? Vista != XP != Windows 2000 != Windows 2003 server. Do you have the slightest expectation that they will, as a matter of personal professional development, be prepared to learn new things? Has it occurred to you that you can hire people with the same level of expertise and experience with Linux?

    Point - you are already paying for expertise. The question is whether or not that expertise is appropriate to the needs of your organization. The ubiquity of Windows knowledge can blind you to the reality that someone had to learn it from scratch at some point in the past. When you work with IT, and when you hire IT people, that expectation is built in from the start. Are you suggesting that Linux requires expertise and Windows does not? If not, then the option of not investing in expertise is not on the table. Therefore, the question of the cost of Windows expertise vs. Linux expertise is a zero sum game.
  • by jafac ( 1449 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @12:14PM (#16089023) Homepage
    This only really tells half the story. The software/OS half.

    The other half is the Hardware Story.

    SGI, HP, Digital, IBM, AT&T, all the big Unix vendors did have their own OS flavor. (At least shell scripting was mostly portable). But they also had their own hardware, mostly with different CPU architectures. Compiled binaries couldn't run on the different hardware platforms, even if they were written using the same damn libraries. The problem with this was that the hardware was damn expensive, so once you were locked in, they could totally assrape you on hardware.

    Then the IBM PC platform came out, which was enough of a standard, and performed "good enough" on the low end, and was dirt cheap because of the fact that everybody could manufacture them to the same standard, and prices went down-down-down while performance improved. I remember paying $4000 for an IBM PC (an 086) with 16 MB of RAM, back in the 1980's. Monochrome screen. It had a "turbo" button you could press to make it run at 12 MHz instead of 10 MHz - (you could screw up timing in games and animations if you ran it at 12). When you look at the advent of the "sub-$1000" market in the late 1990's, those machines totally outclassed the top end in the 1980's, and they outclassed a lot of these proprietary Unix vendors' desktop machines as well.

    DOS was just the cheap OS you could run on these cheap systems. But the real savings came in the hardware realm. They still do - compare perhaps the LAST hardware-holdout, Sun, to an intel-compatible system. Price-performance wise, it's not even close, in the desktop area.

    One by one, these vendors either dropped out, got bought out, or switched to Intel architecture, to save themselves costs on the back-end. But most of them didn't forget their old "ways", and still charged a hardware premium.

    Eventually, even Apple switched to intel chips; because the specialty CPU vendor just could not keep up, even with "superior" architecture. (whatever happened to "twice as fast"?).

    The inexorable slide towards monoculture, ironically, was because of the overall cross-fertilization and competition in the huge intel-compatible-PC market. Within each Unix-vendor's hardware market, they were a monopoly, a monoculture. Each one lost out because, despite their best efforts to prevent compatability, the customers switched to the intel-compatable platforms.
    While we still have competition on the intel-compatable side (many CPU vendors, many Motherboard vendors, many adapter card vendors, many HD vendors, etc.) - prices will remain competitively low. But the market is consolidating, and has been for about a decade. The best news is that intel is losing the overwhelming dominance it's had for a long time.

    It's ironic, that one of the tools for eliminating hardware dependency, Java, came out of the last hardware-holdout, and it perhaps saved Sun from losing the last slice of marketshare it had. (in addition to their intel offerings). Sun embraced multiculture, and it saved them. I would say, too, that IBM was probably saved by their embracing Linux (another "tool" of hardware cross-compatability, by virtue of it's Open Source foundation).

    Microsoft, however, continues to reject multiculturalism, cross compatability. They really screwed the pooch with Java, and they also fucked themselves by taking a cross-platform OS (NT, ran on x86, MIPS, and PPC, at one time - Proof: xBox 360 uses some of the PPC fork of NT), and their rejection of anything Open Source. And their last gasp of a power-play, .NET, where they pretended to be "open" - but not really, has (in my observation) done nothing more than alienate formerly loyal Developers for the Win23 platform (particularly among the VB-set). This was really Microsoft's strongest asset: the legions of Visual Studio users out there, who coded exclusively for Windows, because Visual Studio was such a far superior IDE (others have been closing the gap lately), and it was so difficult to produce co
  • by RAMMS+EIN ( 578166 ) on Tuesday September 12, 2006 @12:55PM (#16089470) Homepage Journal
    Thanks for the information.

    It doesn't change my mind, though. From the Wikipedia article, I get the idea that Microsoft looked at Stacker, liked what it saw, and wrote its own implementation. I see nothing wrong with that. There is no mention of Microsoft using any of Stac's code. Yes, they infringed on Stac's patents, but it's not clear that this is because they copied ideas about how to do things or that they did a clean room implementation of disk compression, and that infringed on Stac's patents (that's what I have against patents).

    Eventually, Stac couldn't survive by selling disk compression software, but that was a dying business anyway. As the article mentions, hard drives became cheaper and larger. I know nobody who uses Doublespace now, and few who did back in the day (I was one of them, though).

    I think, if you want a more evil example, you should look at, e.g. Netscape vs. MSIE, where Microsoft bundled MSIE with the OS and played the embrace and extend game to lock people into MSIE, all but completely killing off competing browsers. Or Java, where MS shipped their own, incompatible VM, which I think is largely responsible for the failure of Java applets, and then they launched their own technology to compete with Java. Or WMA vs. Vorbis, where MS is pushing their own, proprietary, audio format, including it with the OS, and conveniently omitting Ogg Vorbis.

    Still, I think, all in all, what Microsoft is doing is mostly good business sense, not intentional cruelty. They aren't stealing anything, nor are they killing people. No-one is forced to use their products, except perhaps when they willingly sign contracts to that effect. Microsoft aren't angels, but to call them evil, to me, seems like a dilution of the meaning of that word.

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