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Amazon Unbox Video Store Launches 308

andrewl6097 writes "Amazon.com has launched it's Amazon Unbox video store. Looks like about 1300 movies and 350 tv series, at $9.99 and up for movies and $1.99 per TV episode. Downloads come with a DVD quality version and a version more appropriate for portable players (using Windows DRM). Also, videos can be re-downloaded from your Amazon media library. Cool!"
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Amazon Unbox Video Store Launches

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  • "Cool!" (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sulli ( 195030 ) * on Thursday September 07, 2006 @08:32PM (#16063320) Journal
    slashdot is now running accolades for DRM crippled movie downloads? uncool!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 07, 2006 @08:34PM (#16063340)
    Why would I pay for video files that are tied to a particular OS?

    Funny thing is, i *would* pay for non-DRMed movies. I've bought plenty of non-DRM music online.

    It deserves to fail, IMHO.
  • Re:"Cool!" (Score:4, Insightful)

    by x-kaos ( 213378 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @08:35PM (#16063342)
    Yea well, it still costs to much money imo. May as well get the movie mailed to me if the download has all that junk with it. Thumbs down.
  • Support (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Yahweh Doesn't Exist ( 906833 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @08:36PM (#16063351)
    No Mac support == dead to me.

    No support for iPod == dead to the market.

    iTunes movies will probably be dead to me too since I live in !USA.

    DVDs are cheaper anyway. the entire concept of movie downloads priced the same, or more expensive, as DVDs is retarded.
  • by sugapablo ( 600023 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @08:41PM (#16063371) Homepage
    And here I was clicking every Star Trek episode and ready to give them a fistfull of cash...

    But then they had to say "Fuck you Mr. Mac user!"
  • Re:iTunes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wall0159 ( 881759 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @08:59PM (#16063443)

    Why will there be a price war when the same interests are behind both sites? The face looks different, but the gizzards are the same.
  • by eliot1785 ( 987810 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @09:03PM (#16063459)
    I would even pay for DRM'd movies (sorry guys), if the DRM weren't so restrictive. I buy stuff from ITMS all the time, partly because I know that if worse came to worse I could always burn them all as CD audio files and then rip them into MP3 format. My feeling on DRM is that I think some DRM is good to protect the artists, but there should be a way around it as long as you put in a little bit of work, to discourage people from doing it. It doesn't look like there's a way around this one.

    So basically, rather than balancing customer interests against artist/studio interests, they went wholesale with the artist/studio interests. They'll probably pay for it by not getting a lot of buyers.
  • by mikefrommcmurray ( 817962 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @09:05PM (#16063474) Homepage
    In addition to that, why would I buy from a site that I can't buy from in my money? I am in Canada, and Amazon UnBox is not available on Amazon.ca.

    I agree with other posters that this was rushed out, perhaps in advance of Apple's announcement next week.

    Tying the sale of something as simple as a movie to particular hardware is as stupid as the VHS/Beta war. Oops! I forgot about HD/Blu-ray!

    Apple's style of DRM that allows me to make an un-DRMmed backup on a Music CD is the only type I'll accept. Anything more restrictive can be shoved where the sun don't shine.

  • Feature Missing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kaufmanmoore ( 930593 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @09:13PM (#16063505)
    I'd love it if they were to offer you the ability to download a movie instantly when you buy the same DVD from amazon, so you can watch it while the physical disc is in the mail. That way you get the instant gratification, but you will still control the content you own.
  • by syousef ( 465911 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @09:24PM (#16063558) Journal
    Isn't that how all DRM seems to work: Give us your money now. You might be able to watch the movie right after you do that. You may even be able to watch it again at a later date. Then again we may just charge you for it again next time you decide you want to see it, or if the format changes, or if it's a new moon, or... By the way you might want to check out these other movies you may get to watch. Seeya. Have a nice day. Come again (*but not if you have a complaint)
  • Re:Support (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 07, 2006 @09:26PM (#16063564)
    2. exclusive content (exclusive tracks, individual music videos, out-of-print albums) - doesn't apply to movies.

    Why doesn't it? They could just as easily put in some exclusive features. Plus out-of-print movies.
  • Blame studios (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DarkFyre ( 23233 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @09:50PM (#16063644)
    Yes, yes, everyone complains about 'teh evil' DRM. I'm sure the studios give Amazon the content with no restrictions at all and it's up to Amazon to decide what happens after that. Right. Sure. The prices must be the same way. Amazon gets it all for free and are just greedy bastards ripping you off like that.

    The content owners who set the rules have little relationship with the guys who are providing access to the content. You got a complaint? Buy stock in the content holders and bring it to the shareholders meeting.

    There's a reason Apple only has content deals with one studio (I leave it to the general paranoia of this thread to speculate on Jobs' relationship with Disney). It's probably like pulling teeth to get the studios to unclench their sphincters from around those digital copies even in DRM encumbered form.
  • Re:"Cool!" (Score:3, Insightful)

    by fm6 ( 162816 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @09:53PM (#16063652) Homepage Journal
    slashdot is now running accolades for DRM crippled movie downloads?

    Of course not! They're runing accolades for overpriced DRM crippled movie downloads. For example, compare the download of Walk the Line for $20.00 with a 2-DVD special edition [amazon.com] for about the same price.

    Attention editors! Please ignore breathless announcements of downloadable media services except in those very rare cases where economic reality is acknowledged.

  • by noidentity ( 188756 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @10:12PM (#16063723)
    At least you can be sure it might play! Funny how once computers became powerful enough to end compatibility issues, the industry found a way to intentionally prevent things from working reliably.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 07, 2006 @10:36PM (#16063819)
    Remember these terms the next time Eric Raymond starts blathering on about how Linux users need to start compromising on allowing closed source content and DRM into our operating system.
  • by aichpvee ( 631243 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @10:41PM (#16063838) Journal
    So that means you only get to "own" it for the 6 months before your windows tanks and you have to reinstall? Even less if you haven't reinstalled in a while, I suppose.
  • by dfghjk ( 711126 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @11:01PM (#16063908)
    Mac users aren't going to consider any store other than iTMS anyway, at least that's what I'm told by every advocate who claims the mini is the greatest home theater PC available. As long as you only care about Apple-puchased products and content I don't see why it matters. I personally prefer being able to play anything I might get regardless of source. Regrettably, that's only possible on Windows.
  • by GodWasAnAlien ( 206300 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @11:16PM (#16063938)
    "... some DRM is good to protect the artists"

    The current use of DRM is _not_ to protect the artists.

    When the artists make pennies to the big publishing companies dollars, it should be obvious who DRM benefits.

    The current use of DRM is control:
      - control where and how the renter/"buyer" views/listens to the media.
      - when the viewer/listener wants to listen/view the media in some other way, The media must be re-purchaced.
      - this re-purchacing leads to a more constant money flow, without the need for new material.
      - this combined with a near infinite copyright period helps to maximize profit from old works.

    As with many things in society today, a very effective, but irresponsible way to make money is to make the product disposible. If the buyer is forced to throw away the DVD/Music/Computer/Phone every so often, more money is to be made.

  • So, let's see... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday September 07, 2006 @11:21PM (#16063953)
    Hmm... if a Slashdot submitter doesn't provide the details of a story, they get hammered for it. When they DO provide the details, they get classified as a "shill".

    C'mon, I think the way Amazon's store is set up sucks (way to restrictive DRM, no non-Windows support) - but this most certainly qualifies as news.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 07, 2006 @11:32PM (#16063984)
    Quite frankly, $1 for a song, $2 for a 20 minute TV show, and $10 for a movie on iTunes seems completely fair to me. I wish it were cheaper, and at that price I wouldn't go on a shopping spree often, but they have managed to price it at that evil little point in which the content is neither too expensive nor cheap enough. I make a fairly good income, for a High School student at any rate, so I would be happy to buy most of my music/videos.

    The problem is the DRM. I don't object to DRM on moral grounds, it simply kills the value of the media for me. I own a PSP and a Treo 650, both of which cannot play the media I buy from iTunes (and Amazon). While I do use a Mac as a primary computer, my secondary Linux box would not be able to use it either. I also want the assurance that I can jump platforms at any time, and still be able to play my media. DRM cannot offer me that assurance, and I don't want to be stuck on any operating system/portable media player simply because the DRM is compatable with it. Also, what happens if, in 10 years, Apple runs out of business (anything can happen in the long term) and shuts down the FairPlay servers? All the stuff you bought is gone forever, as your computer can't obtain the keys to decrypt it.

    If I pirate the media, however, I get the same thing, simply DRM free, so I can use it on essentially any operating system/device. The files last forever, untill I destory them myself. Thus, the pirated content is better then that which I can buy. If you think there is little enough encouragement to buy media these days, just put yourself in my shoes.

    I have used the iTunes video and music store before, using gift cards I often receive as presents. FairPlay isn't horribly restrictive; you can move the DRMed files anywhere, back them up, transfer them to another computer, using conventional drag n' drop methods. And you can play them on Windows and Mac (not Linux, however). In fact, the only restriction that really bothered me was, unfortunately, the biggest: DRM restricts the platforms on which you can use your media.

    I don't beleive in the whole "changing culture" thing many people use to justify piracy as something moral. But I believe in DRM even less. Piracy is my only option if I want the latest episode of the Colbert Report on my Treo 650, and I take that route because the companies controlling the media offered me no legal alternative.
  • by 70Bang ( 805280 ) on Friday September 08, 2006 @12:25AM (#16064144)

    So you punish fans who have multiple playing devices by paying more in the interest of avoiding sharing?

    The missus has a CD collection (Yanni and a lot of other things I won't mention), but she has one of two options (she's not going the iPod way):

    1. Pack everything up from home, lug it to the SUV, load whatever she wanted to listen to, then haul it in from the parking lot to her office. Meaning: getting her a decent-sized luggage bag with wheels on it.

    2. Make copies of each CD and keep them where appropriate; specfically, home, SUV, work, for her edification.

    Door #1 means she will stop buying CDs despite the availability of discretionary income. This (obviously) means the artists will see less money. Not from theft, but inconvenience for the buyer.

    Using door #2 means she doesn't have to tow things around. She's not sharing the IP/CDs with anyone else and the artist et al. aren't losing any money. (I suppose you could say the manufacturers of the blank discs are making money as well)

    Piracy is going to occur, no matter what you do. That doesn't mean they have to lie down & take it. But they also have to understand that despite a case of "my sandbox (marketshare), my rules", dangling today's version of Rubik's Cube is only going to make people more determined to find a solution[1], silkscreen it on a pair of the company's boxers (purchased from the company store, thank-you very much - after all, this is an academic[1] exercise), and run it up the flagpole (the company likely has their flag on top of whatever country's flag should be on top) for all to see when they go to work the next morning.

    Oh, if two of us want to trade movies, even if they're the same price at the site, we cannot do so. This is one of the biggest failings of any e-Book attempts. This is not to mention giving you something I purchased (music,movie,book) because I value giving it to you more than keeping it for myself. The producers are going to use "unfair use" or "piracy" as an attempt to avoid developing more marketing creativity and beeline like an asymptote toward single-use fees for each of those media.

    They know people aren't going to stop buying (music,movies,books) altogether because only an egregious mistake of monumental proportiions will co$t them where it hurt$. They're obviously dipping their toes and testing the water. Sony got something soft & fleshy caught in their collective zippers. That's because they tried to sneak it past everyone with the empty beehive trick.[2] Amazon's appearing to take the approach, "things will work well because we're Amazon (never forget that), we're telling everyone up-front, and because we're letting them play it on more than one machine."
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    [1] look at all of the weekend events where people are provided opportunities to crack things for the purpose of whose mojo is stronger. Socking it to the man only provides more fun.

    [2] I looked at beekeeping once (in the middle of 1-acre lots) and had a nice place or two to stash them. I was concerned about neighbors. It was suggested to me that I put empty boxes where I was going to set up & leave them there for a few months before getting the bees. Once they were in place and if someone thought there was a problem of some type I could claim, "Hey, they weren't there before, why are you having a problem now?" A candygram[3] pointed out that if someone got stung, even if they didn't develop anaphylaxis, they'd try to sue for some type of pain, hoping there'd be a settlement to make it go away."

    [3] "Candygram." {pause} "Landshark".
  • by LordSnooty ( 853791 ) on Friday September 08, 2006 @07:03AM (#16065099)
    You may exercise these rights on up to 2 (two) non-portable Authorized Devices (e.g. laptop or desktop computers) and two (2) portable Authorized Devices as specifically designated by Amazon from time to time.
    Hmm, they lost me at about this point. Laptops are non-portable? As for the rest of the junk, well forgive me Amazon but your average Joe will take no notice and try anything they can, and no doubt end up frustrated when they can't watch their disk on another machine (which since it's the norm for DVD it's what they'd reasonably expect).
  • by Tim C ( 15259 ) on Friday September 08, 2006 @10:09AM (#16065937)
    So that means you only get to "own" it for the 6 months before your windows tanks and you have to reinstall?

    If your Windows install tanks every 6 months, you shouldn't be allowed to use a computer as you're clearly a danger to them...
  • by poulbailey ( 231304 ) on Friday September 08, 2006 @11:02AM (#16066364)
    Only completely incompetent people can hose a modern Windows install in six months. Are you incompetent or are you just parroting dirt old FUD about Windows?

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