Edgy Eft Knot 2 Released 183
Klaidas writes "The Ubuntu project has released a second Knot CD — an alpha version of Edgy Eft. Notable new features include a new 2.6.17 kernel, Gnome 2.16 beta 2, Firefox 2.0b1, OpenOffice.org 2.0.3 and much more. It is availible for download on Ubuntu's image server. The final stable version is still slated for release in October 2006."
Godwin'd before it even started (Score:3, Funny)
"Nazi D"? Godwin'd before it even started.
Re:Godwin'd before it even started (Score:4, Informative)
I pronounce Nazi as gnat-see so it doesn't work for me,
unless I translate to Ahmerikhan.
Separated by a common language, but don't show it. (Score:3, Interesting)
I even get how a bloke might have to change a tyre on his lorry, maybe open the bonnet and fiddle with the carburettor to get the thing working, so he can pop over to some bird's flat to knock her up. Then he could find he's required to step outside so he can put a flaming fag between his lips and suck on it... because of the Anti-Smoking Nazis (pronounced either way).
Now, can you exp
ubuntu is by far the leader (Score:3, Interesting)
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Page rank? (Score:4, Informative)
"The Page Hit Ranking statistics have attracted plenty of attention and feedback. Originally, each distribution-specific page was pure HTML with a third-party counter at the bottom to monitor interest of visitors. Later the pages were transformed into plain text files with PHP generating all the HTML code, but the original counter remained unchanged. In May 2004 the site switched from publicly viewable third-party counters to internal counters. This was prompted by a continuous abuse of the counters by a handful of undisciplined individuals who had confused DistroWatch with a voting station. The counters are no longer displayed on the individual distributions pages, but all visits (on the main site, as well as on mirrors) are logged. Only one hit per IP address per day is counted."
So it doesn't really say whether it is the most commonly used distribution, merely that it gets the most clicks to its page within distrowatch.
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http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php [li.org]
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I see a danger (Score:2)
Since its based on debian, what happens then?
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It's my "Killer app I can't live without"
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If you anyone but a Geek, the answer is, and always will be, "Yes!"
Popularity solves too many problems for the user for the decision to go any other way.
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60 days? (Score:3, Insightful)
Edgy Eft is scheduled for release "in October 2006".
That's about 60 days maximum to go from a 2nd alpha
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and some systems didn't boot (mine included!) without knowing yer stuff
So yeah, the Ubuntu developers are definitely a wee bit optimistic.
Re:60 days? (Score:5, Informative)
Edgy Eft is scheduled for release "in October 2006".
That's about 60 days maximum to go from a 2nd alpha
Well, feature freeze is in 5 days, so the only things coming through the pipeline in those two months are bugfixes/security patches.
And even if it's not good enough, they can always fall back on "It's edgy eft! What are you complaining about?"
As a general FYI, Edgy Final should be out on the 26th of October, barring disaster or pushbacks.
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He's probably not used to someone actually using alpha to mean development, beta to mean bugfixing/testing and release candidate to mean "might be final". From what I understand the Vista "RC" isn't even feature-complete, so that makes it in reality an alpha release. The only problem is that marketing would never accept that.
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There is no reason to expect much difference for the next release. I assume it is more or less safe to use right now or will be very soon.
And, of course, since this is Slashdot, I must compare it with Vista pre-RC, which is also improving and is quite nice (for
A few things me likey (Score:5, Informative)
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I love Linux, and Ubuntu's hands-down the best distro I've ever used (best OS overall, too) but let's be realistic here.
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That is seriously cool -- my VDR-machine will boot a couple of seconds before I press the power button.
Still not that impressed! (Score:4, Interesting)
What still bothers me is the fact that in Ubuntu's GNOME file selector interface, I cannot simply paste a URL and have the program open the referenced document. It is also incredibly ugly for me...why? In KDE, this is possible but the fonts and general look are very ugly and are already starting to look ancient.
Multimedia on the web is still a big hassle. Even for sites that offer RealPlayer streams, GNOME's RealPlayer, even if installed cannot grab the stream by default!
The help system is still very wanting. Some have even told me it does not exist. Assumptions are made that everyone can go online and get the neccessary help. But what happens when you are on the road with no internet connection? Windows beat Linux on this.
Before I get modded down for what some will call trolls, I will stop here but I agree that Ubuntu and Linux still have a long long way to impress folks like me.
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separated from the main binary packages. Some programs don't have proper manuals at all,
which should be corrected. The distro creators should really have a strict system where packages
don't make it into the main repository (stuff that ends up on the CD and DVD) unless it's fully
documented, and has a newbie quickstart manual.
Qt and Real both need work. I accidentally have them working in Opera because
I install the ri
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What's different about the 'ubuntu' GNOME file selector? Or are you just meaning that the GNOME file selector on the whole is bad? I'd agree with the second part - GNOME in general just isn't that
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I guess I mean both. You sound to be a Linux user, so I will ask you this:
In your opinion, is that default [GNOME] file selector the best there could be? Is the the utmost best the could be created? I guess you'd answer "no" and that's what I am talking about.
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Mozilla and derivitives use their own widgets, IIRC. Not GTK.
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How hard is it to hit ctrl+l and then paste your path?
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I agree (Score:2)
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everyone keeps saying "Ctrl-L" here. This is not an immediately obvious solution. However, gnome does have an immediately obvious solution to this problem, and one which I always do first thing after I install it.
in the file manager, open up the preferences, select the "behaviour" tab and select "always use text-entry location bar"
simple! contrary to popular belief, gnome actually does have preferences that are editable. The locat
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"error accessing 'file:///home/judy/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com': Invalid URI"
Even with a "supported" PDF reader installed, a PDF document [on the web] will not be opened by default! Now, do you get it? Hope so.
What Ubuntu lacks (Score:4, Insightful)
One of the advantages we are told of Ubuntu is that we don't have to wait on the long Debian development cycle. While that sounds good to the average i386 Ubuntu user. The amd64 Ubuntu user still has to wait on Debian. The reason I say this? In one word Multiarch.
Multiarch was supposed to make it into Edgy. It was mentioned in the announcement by Mr Shuttleworth
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce
Its like 64bit users are second class citizens. No multiarch while distro's like SuSE, Fedora, Gento and others are already multiarch. No Wine, a 64bit firefox where plugins dont work, and other 32bit programs that must be manually added along with their lib's.
All the while eye candy is added to the 32bit version. If it wasn't for the community and people there I would have left long ago. Its sad that people with 64bit systems are told to install the 32bit version because things are missing.
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Wait a few years and 32-bit users will become second class, but until then you can't expect to have rare hardware supported just as well as commonplace hardware, especially when the changes which have to be made are non-trivial.
Remember when get
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As a Windows user... (Score:3, Interesting)
For one, you can use the live CD to figure out how to get Linux to do everything you want, without making major changes in your existing setup.
With luck (and perhaps a determined developer base), by the time Vista shows up to ream all of us Windows users in the ass, Ubuntu (and subsequent imitators) will be "general public" ready, so we at least have some options.
Fair And Balanced? (Score:2, Interesting)
Very interesting indeed..
Installing on P965 Chipset Mobo (Score:2)
"due to the Intel P965 chipset has no more integrated IDE channel, thus the motherboard usually has an additional chip onboard for an IDE channel. In the current Gigabyte (I got one of them) and ASUS (think they have it too) this is a JMicron JMB363. Until very recently the kernel had a bug inside that made it unable to access the IDE/PATA channel. "
I put together page here to document the is
How can I upgrade? (Score:2)
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A word of caution, though. This didn't go 100% smoothly for me. First of all, I had to run the dist-upgrade several times, and go through synaptic's 'mark all upgrades' a couple times as well. I finally got it to install what needed installing, upgrade what needed upgrading, and remove what needed removing. It just took several ite
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But wait... (Score:2)
Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? (Score:4, Informative)
Its a code-name. Its the devs having a little fun. The official name will be "Ubuntu 6.10". Think of it like "Windows Longhorn". Longhorn was the code-name. Does Longhorn tell you anything?
Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? (Score:5, Funny)
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It will be cheesy....
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Well, where I live, it was the name of a brothel. It tells you something about the Microsoft people...
Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? (Score:4, Informative)
Yeah. Edgy Eft. That's a step backward. You could call it 6.10 instead if you like, and that would tell you the year and the month it was (or is going to be) released. But really, what does "Vista" tell you about what you're downloading? Even 2.6.17 doesn't help much - just that it's somehow better than 2.6.16, and that's if you're familiar with the version numbers. You'd really need to read the changelog to find out, so it's still not much better than "Vista."
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This email announcement explains why... (Score:2, Informative)
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce
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Edgy is all about cutting edge, perhaps bleeding edge, brand new code and infrastructure
No it's not - it's all about jumpy, nervous. Not really the sort of image I'd want to be projecting. OK, so you can do worse, like not checking the registration you've been given before taking your new plane to an airshow [airliners.net].
At least now I know WTF an eft is, though.
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AH! It's a beta release then! (Score:2)
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I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but.... If you are dumb enough not to know the difference between PRODUCT NAME and INTERNAL CODENAME, then you really shouldn't be taking part in this discussion. The next version of Ubuntu is NOT called "Edgy Eft", and no PHB is going to make a case for "Edgy Eft". Edgy Eft is a CODENAME of the OS, the REAL name of the OS is "Ubuntu Linux 6.10". Is that REALLY so difficult to understand?
Have you ever seen P
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It's a bit far-fetched anyway, and it doesn't sound as cool as Breezy Badger.
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They should use more common words ('longhorn' is not too bad). It's like I release a program and I call it 'El Guepardo Guarrete". Would you remember that name?
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Erm, you actually bothered to look it up? If
As a Side Note (Score:4, Insightful)
From Wiki:
4.10 October 20, 2004[10] Warty Warthog
5.04 April 8, 2005 Hoary Hedgehog
5.10 October 13, 2005 Breezy Badger
6.06 June 1, 2006[11] Dapper Drake
6.10 October 26, 2006 Edgy Eft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(Linux_distri
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check on wikipedia
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They can call the next version "Ubuntu Guepardo Guarrete" ("El" just doesn't fit the naming scheme) for all I care, I'm perfectly fine with it. I don't know what it means, nor do I care but I don't need to either. As long as it's somewhat guess-pronouncable and not like "dnjebrvroljik" I'm fine with it.
Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? (Score:4, Informative)
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Thanks for those comments, everybody above me. Now for the ACTUAL explanation.
In Terry Pratchett's book Strata there is a race called the "Ehfts". They are short fluffy things IIRC which nobody can quite understand. The quote is "Everybody thought Ehfts were funny, and nobody knew what Ehfts thought of anything". They get seen doing boring menial work, like sweeping floors. An Ehft computer is a room full of Ehfts, each one handling part of the mathematics. And Ehft books are very long strings with knots t
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Mark Shuttleworth comes up with the names. Or at least he has the final say in it.
And it is different and notable, it's refreshing. And it doesn't bother me at all.
But if you want you can say "Ubuntu 6.10" instead.
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Re:good 4 everyone (Score:4, Interesting)
I agree, for a single user, "sudo" is kind of useless. However, if you have a large number of users, sudo is a godsend.
In the standard Linux/Unix setup, you have a lot of users with minimal control of the system, and one "superuser" (root) who can do anything. This all-or-nothing setup is inherently risky, and a bit outdated.
With sudo, a good sysadmin can use the "sudoers" file and select which users can do what. They can change this quickly and easily, and make groups and so on sans hassle. Users cannot, for security reasons, be given the root password. They can, however, just be asked to re-enter their own password to verify that it is in fact them.
In short, sudo is a masterful idea. Also, it allows for some rather funny cartoons [xkcd.com].