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PlayStation 3 Manufacturing Not Started Yet? 210

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aapold writes "Despite reports to the contrary, Sony Computer Entertainment American president Kaz Hirai states in an interview on Gamespot last week that 'We haven't started manufacturing yet. Some of our ops guys were actually just in China, and also in Japan just reviewing the [production] lines and everything else. But they are, again, preparing as we speak to get the manufacturing going. We've not announced and we haven't set really a specific date to say, 'As of this day we're going to start manufacturing.'"
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PlayStation 3 Manufacturing Not Started Yet?

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  • by LiquidCoooled (634315) on Monday August 21, 2006 @08:50AM (#15947803) Homepage Journal
    They are really pushing out the boat, don't get a PS3 have a girly PS2 [reghardware.co.uk] instead!
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by apoc06 (853263)
      lol @ OP. cant blame sony; it worked for the DS, right?

      on topic: manufacturing of the ps3 hasnt started yet. they have the component manufacturers completing and stockpiling components for the time being.

      it doesnt make sense to have millions of completed ps3s sitting in a warehouse waiting to be stolen. besides, sony doesnt have to worry about paying to store the ps3s until they are completed. right now its each component manufacturers responsibility to store the components. its a standard manufacturing pro
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by MBCook (132727)

        It makes PERFECT sense to have them sitting in a warehouse. Remember the PS2? This is going to be worse. They need stock to sell. If they had any brains and had the ability, they would be cranking them out so they could sell them. Remember that when they got for $2000 on eBay, Sony only gets the origonal $500 or $600. They want more to sell, and making them now would allow that.

        Despite all the (sometimes tremendous) screw ups around the PS3, I don't think they are THAT stupid. They aren't making them becua

        • by apoc06 (853263)
          sony is king of screwups, i admit that much. however meeting their goal of creating 2 million units by the end of the year will /still/ make for a shortage some how some way. 2 million consoles in four months isnt /that/ outrageous of a goal to meet IMHO.

          given that sony has been manufacturing consumer electronics for decades and have seen their fair share of shortages, i dont think that their plan itself is the cause for any shortage. they know what they are capable of, if everything works according to plan
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by jhdevos (56359)

          It makes PERFECT sense to have them sitting in a warehouse. Remember the PS2? This is going to be worse. They need stock to sell. If they had any brains and had the ability, they would be cranking them out so they could sell them. Remember that when they got for $2000 on eBay, Sony only gets the origonal $500 or $600. They want more to sell, and making them now would allow that.

          On the other hand, they probably have the ability to assemble the machines pretty fast. The problem is that the manufacturing of s

      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        by spun (1352)
        it doesnt make sense to have millions of completed ps3s sitting in a warehouse waiting to be stolen.

        Yeah, let's get rid of warehouses altogether. Nothing but dark cesspits of crime. I say the right time to start production on any item is the moment someone actually purchases it. Otherwise it's just going to sit around someplace and get stolen.
        • by Quino (613400) on Monday August 21, 2006 @02:17PM (#15950037)
          Actually, this is one of the principles of modern manufacturing: Toyota lean production methods, just-in-time manufacturing, etc.

          http://searchcio.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid 19_gci810519,00.html [techtarget.com]

          I'm not saying that I think this is what's going on with Sony, but going away from massive warehousing has been a "revelation" in modern mass production .

          Warehousing is *bad*, you're paying for storage for stuff to just sit there, and when you're talking about millions of units the amount of money wasted can be huge. Of course, what you want to do is to have the manufacturing set up to meet demand with the minimum amount of storage possible. The concern isn't theft (maybe it's then 100th concern), but cost.

          Here's a summary (copied from the above link) that summarizes Toyota Production Methods (now, of course, widely emulated with varying degrees of success by other companies, industries, around the world):

          1. Eliminate waste
          2. Minimize inventory
          3. Maximize flow
          4. Pull production from customer demand
          5. Meet customer requirements
          6. Do it right the first time
          7. Empower workers
          8. Design for rapid changeover
          9. Partner with suppliers
          10. Create a culture of continuous improvement

          Vast warehousing is so 1980s! (and a sign of inneficient manufacturing).

          • by spun (1352)
            Oh, I know, I was trying to be funny by taking it to extremes. Obviously "just-in-time" manufacturing is more efficient than warehousing, but waiting until after an item is purchased is really "a-little-too-late" manufacturing. Some storage is needed.

            there is absolutely no way Sony can meet initial demand by waiting until the ship date to start making consoles! Just-in-time means having enough product in the pipeline to meet expected demand.
  • by aendeuryu (844048) on Monday August 21, 2006 @08:51AM (#15947811)
    1) Decide to produce a game console.
    2) Look at every decision Sony has made for the Playstation 3, and do the opposite
    3) Profit
  • by GundamFan (848341) on Monday August 21, 2006 @08:59AM (#15947846)
    I think the internet has made it impossible for some people to like anything.

    Maybe the reason the video game industry is seeing a slow down is that no matter what any company does we bitch about it. The small publishers are too small, the big publisers are to big, the inovative games are too inovative and everything else is not inovative enough... We need to grow up and quit this fanboyism and infighting, we all may have diffrent taste but we all want one thing, qualtiy entertanment.

    • by squiggleslash (241428) on Monday August 21, 2006 @09:18AM (#15947934) Homepage Journal

      I'm going to have to disagree. Aside from the name, virtually all the press about the Nintendo Wii has been positive, in nerd circles and outside of them. The PSP got an astounding amount of positive press from geeks and non-geeks, which surprised me for reasons I'll not reprise here. The DS is getting positive press.

      Both the PS3 and X-Box 360 aren't getting much love. The X-Box has three problems - it's a tad expensive, it's only an "improved" version of what preceeded it rather than an innovative new design, and it has the word "Microsoft" on the box. The PS3 is getting less love because it seems to be a rather more expensive version of the X-Box 360, with a few ideas pinched, allegedly badly, from the Wii.

      In other words, the innovation is being praised, but expensive boxes that don't appear to have any substantial innovation are not.

      I don't think it's a matter of nerds will complain about anything. It's more a matter that nerds have little to praise at the moment. But generally, yes, there are still things being found to be "praiseworthy".

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        I have a feeling that both the XBox 360 and PS3 have problems gaining positive press because of their sloppy design; sloppy in the sense that both products lack focus or purpose of design. It has always been my opinion that the best (and often most successful) products are the ones with the greatest focus of design because they do one thing really well rather then a dozen things poorly; the original iPod was like this in that it was an excellent mp3 player with no extra features. After you have established
      • he X-Box has three problems - it's a tad expensive, it's only an "improved" version of what preceeded it rather than an innovative new design, and it has the word "Microsoft" on the box.

        You fogot to mention that it lacks the backwards compatibility it was originally supposed to have. That makes its library of games rather small. It may have somewhat better graphics than the PS2, but the PS2 has a ton more games.

        And the PS3? Yeah, lots of people are going to be really excited about it up until they see t

        • by Sparr0 (451780)
          bbbbbut the $2 tacos are SO MUCH PRETTIER!
          • by Babbster (107076)
            The $2 tacos also have HDMI interfaces. I'll only consume tacos in fully digital form...analog is so over.
        • The problem comes when the $1 tacos have meat and lettuce, the $1.50 tacos have meat, cheese, and lettuce, and the $2 tacos have the whole range. Sure, some people might not need the extra toppings, but a lot of people want them and are willing to pay for them.

          Also, I find it hilarious that everyone conveniently forgets that there's a $500 PS3 that will be perfectly fine for 95% of people who want one.

          • Also, I find it hilarious that everyone conveniently forgets that there's a $500 PS3 that will be perfectly fine for 95% of people who want one.

            I find it hilarious that the "budget" PS3 model is still at LEAST twice as expensive as Nintendo's next console is expected to be. That's still not cheap, guys. It's still not, for many people, "affordable".
          • Also, I find it hilarious that everyone conveniently forgets that there's a $500 PS3 that will be perfectly fine for 95% of people who want one.

            I doubt anyone's forgotten that the crippled tard-box is STILL $100 more expensive than the full 360, and, as sibling mentioned, at least 2x what the wii will cost.
      • More importantly 90% of the non hardcore gamers I know don't know anything about the PS3 launch except what I've told them, and most of the people I know who do like gaming never bothered getting an XBox 360 because they didn't believe it would look any better on their normal TV sets (which isn't true, but oh well).

        The big question is how well Sony will market the PS3 in the next few months leading up to its pre-Christmas release. I have a feeling they'll do an amazing job (as before) and the average Joes
        • Actually no, it wont happen, the reason is, it simply is too expensive, for a console the xbox360 is at the upper limit of what people would spend on a console and for blue ray, the hdtv adoption still is not widespread enough and there is a huge lack of content. There will be a huge christmas fiasco for Sony.
          • Are you kidding? If a kid wants something for Christmas, parents will KILL to get that for them. Remember the Cabbage Patch Kids fiasco? Furbies? Tickle-me Elmo? People were FIGHTING IN THE AISLES for these things. Tickle-me Elmos were selling for hundreds of dollars. And to pre-empt the inevitable "but when the 360 and Wii are cheaper and right there, parents will just get those instead..." talk, there were plenty of other dolls and stuffed animals available, but when your kid wants a Cabbage Patch Kid, th
            • Actually parents also have to look at the price and while the ps1 and ps2 were affordable for most parents the ps3 simply is not anymore... Given that a wii with lots of kid friendly games will be around 150-250 dollars and xbox 360 is in the league of 300 dollars around chrismas, and the ps3 with almost no content and certainly no kids friendly content is priced around 700 you can imagine who will get the money... Sorry but you are way off, yes there will be an initial rush by the usual (idots) ahem early
      • by andrewman327 (635952) on Monday August 21, 2006 @10:46AM (#15948506) Homepage Journal
        I disagree with your disagreement. Although you are correct in asserting that some things receive mostly positive press, us geeks always find something to deride. Let's look at /. articles about the systems you proclaimed as having virtually all positive press.

        The PSP isn't being marketed enough and that pisses off EA [slashdot.org]. I know this is outdated, but it still counts as criticism: first weekend sales were slow [slashdot.org]. Back in December, no one cared about the PSP [slashdot.org]. More recently, people do not seem to know what to do with the PSP [slashdot.org].

        Wii is a stupid [rockymountainnews.com] and weird [games.net] name that is just a marketing gimmick [slashdot.org] and really is stupid in case you missed the first article [slashdot.org]. Developers aren't 'getting' the Wii [slashdot.org].

        On the flipside of your reasoning, let's take a look at the systems that you highlight as receiving bad press:

        The XBox360 will have the most market share past the presidential election [slashdot.org]. The XBox360 is being sold for much less money than it costs to make it [slashdot.org] so I don't see how you can complain about the price. The XBox360 is also mostly backwards-compatible [slashdot.org]. The 360 has also redefined the market and what it means to be a console [slashdot.org].

        The PS3 will dominate market share through the midterm elections after the presidential election [slashdot.org] (I'm a poli-sci major, I think in terms of U.S. elections). The PS3 is region free for gaming [slashdot.org]. The PS3 might max out the FPS available on even nice TVs [slashdot.org] and has amazing NVIDIA graphics [slashdot.org] and is going to be upgradable [slashdot.org]. The PS3 is backwards compatible for games and [slashdot.org]memory cards.

        In other words, the innovation is being praised, but expensive boxes that don't appear to have any substantial innovation are not. I don't think it's a matter of nerds will complain about anything. It's more a matter that nerds have little to praise at the moment. But generally, yes, there are still things being found to be "praiseworthy".

        For any innovation there will be geeks who praise it and insult it. I will be insulted if I praise Linux or Microsoft, /. or Digg. Granted there are things that are constant sources of criticism (/. mod system, RIAA, SCO, RIAA, BSA, RIAA, RIAA, etc.) but they are the exception rather than the rule.

        This concludes the most time and research intesive post I have ever written. If I weren't at work right now I would feel like I had wasted my time.

        • The XBox360 is being sold for much less money than it costs to make it so I don't see how you can complain about the price.

          You don't? Like this: "Three to four hundred dollars is more than I'm willing to pay for a videogame console, regardless of how much it cost them to manufacture it."

        • by MBCook (132727)

          The XBox360 is being sold for much less money than it costs to make it so I don't see how you can complain about the price.

          The PS3 will sell for $600, but some analysts have placed it's costs at $900-$1000 per unit. That means they are selling it at a $300-$400 discount.

          That doesn't make $600 cost any less.

          XBox 360 + Wii + games Good luck Sony, you're gonna need it.

          • by MBCook (132727)

            XBox 360 + Wii + games Good luck Sony, you're gonna need it.

            Sorry, I forgot I can't use greater than or less than signs without escaping them. That should have read:

            XBox 360 + Wii + games <= $600

            Good luck Sony, you're gonna need it.

          • XBox 360 + Wii + games Good luck Sony, you're gonna need it.

            Yeah, except that falls short when the PS3 has more games I want to play. Initial cost of the consoles is not everything! I don't care if I can get a Wii for half the price if the games I'm looking forward to most are on the PS3 and 360.

            It seems like Sony is going to remain the route for normal Japanese-style RPGs (Final Fantasy, etc). This pretty much guarantees success in Japan, and likely here as well.
        • You worked harder on that post than I did through most of High School.
    • by Lave (958216) * on Monday August 21, 2006 @09:21AM (#15947945)
      no matter what any company does we bitch about it. The small publishers are too small, the big publisers are to big, the inovative games are too inovative and everything else is not inovative enough... We need to grow up and quit this fanboyism and infighting, we all may have diffrent taste but we all want one thing, qualtiy entertanment.

      I agree with you - despite not seeing anyone complain about innovative games, or companies being too small. And I'm totally against fanboyism, but then I'm also against Root-kits and the complete arrogance Sony has been showing towards their customers rights. I'm very excited about the PS3 only Assassins Creed, but games are a secondary consideration when it comes to supporting companies with which you have ethical troubles with.

      It's not called fanboyism to abandon Yahoo because of the way they have behaved in China, and it's not called fanboyism to abandon Sony because of their stance on DRM and Piracy.

      • by Erwos (553607)
        I just want to point out that Assassin's Creed has long been rumored to be in parallel development for the 360 as well - and remarks from the developer have more or less confirmed that at this point.

        -Erwos
      • by GundamFan (848341)
        I agree, "abandoning" Sony because you don't like what they are selling or the way they sell it is perfectly reasonable.

        But what I take issue with is that people don't stop at not buying the PS3 they are doing there best to paint it in as negative a light as possible... it's as if Nintendo is paying for this negative press campain.

        I would like to be able to look at some of the potental drawbacks of the Wii without getting into an argument on how bad the PS3 is going to suck (I have actualy had this conversa
        • Wii

          Pros:
          Inexspensive
          Inovative game play potental.
          Cons:
          May have weak 3rd party support.

          Huh? I don't have the link right now, but IIRC, Nintendo said there's a number of 3rd parties interested, including EA.
          Games may not make use of the Wiimote.
          So? The Wiimote is cool, but look at the DS. The touchscreen isn't overly utilized in most games.
          Bacwards compatability looks like it requires rebuying your old games.
          OK, have to agree here, except on the Gamecube ones. Those play directly off the disc. Plus, if y
        • by Wdomburg (141264)
          Games may not make use of the Wiimote.

          Games for the PS3 may not make use of the tilt features in their controller either. Or may have used rumble if Sony hadn't dropped that feature.

          Bacwards compatability looks like it requires rebuying your old games.

          There should be 100% backwards compatibility to the Gamecube, so this only applies to the earlier cartridge based systems and games for other consoles.
        • by Burlap (615181)
          how is the Virtual Boy and N64 a con? cause they bombed? couldnt you also say that learning from those mistakes makes them a pro?
          • by GundamFan (848341)
            Nintendo seems to have the attitude that they know how to make games and consoles without any real input from the consumer... most of the time they are right but sometimes they lay a big fat brick on the market. Big N has been doing well lately and I hope it continues (they are the only ones who seem to care about younger gamers plus compitition is good). IF the Wiimote is hard to use or just not very widely used (wouldn't it suck to have to buy a normal controller to play 90% of your games fully) and if th
            • Nintendo seems to have the attitude that they know how to make games and consoles without any real input from the consumer...

              Are Sony and Microsoft any better at getting "input from the consumer"? I don't think Joe Playstation who plays mostly GTA and Madden was clamoring for a Blu-Ray drive.

              Guess what happens when you base your strategy on what the consumer thinks he wants. You get an Atari Lynx that's so large that it barely fits the definition of "portable"--because some dumbass focus group indicated
    • by orasio (188021)
      And since when does nerds opinion matter to Sony Corporation ?
      It's a tradition in /. the idea that nobody in RL cares what /. nerds think, if windows is hard to maintain, if ubuntu is a C00l desktop, if apple is good or bad.

      Of course, maybe we have some weight in other peoples choices. But I don't think Sony executives care about /. users opinion about their console, I don't picture them crying with hurt feelings, because we say they are stupid trying to sell a game console for 500+ dollars.
      And I don't thin
      • by Traiklin (901982)
        I was with you untill this point

        They are spending lots of money behind yet another braindead Sony proprietary media format

        this argument comes up EVERY TIME Blu-Ray is mentioned, it is NOT a Sony Proprietary media format, unless Sony secretly bought 136 companies without anyone knowning, Sony is NOT the only company that can make Blu-Ray discs, Sony is NOT the only company that can make blu-ray drives, Sony is NOT the only company you can buy Blu-Ray discs from, so how is it a Sony Proprietary Media Form

        • by Sparr0 (451780)
          Because, if the PS3 succeeds, Sony will be the supplier of something like 99% of the Blu-Ray players in consumer's hands. Which it won't, of course.
    • by eln (21727) *
      You're giving geeks on the Internet way too much credit. No matter what, whenever something new is announced, a portion of the Internet population will go around posting that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and another portion of the population will say it sucks ass and they wouldn't get one even if you paid them to.

      News flash: people take extreme positions on the Internet, and argue them into the ground. However, I don't think there's any real evidence that arguing on the Internet actually c
  • by abigsmurf (919188) on Monday August 21, 2006 @09:00AM (#15947852)
    Having a shortage of consoles can drive up sales...

    If there are no products that compete with it. If people can't get a console, they'll possibly look to another console such as the cheaper 360 or (potentially) bargain Wii. Sony have received enough bad press over the PS3 in regards to price (especially in the UK where we get especially ripped off), copycat features and lowered tech specs.

    The PSP shortages hurt Sony as lots of people bought the cheaper DS instead and as a result the PSP didn't get that vital early userbase.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by masklinn (823351)

      The PSP shortages hurt Sony as lots of people bought the cheaper DS instead and as a result the PSP didn't get that vital early userbase.

      Me thinks the shortage of non-ports-of-PS2-games didn't help either...

  • Translation (Score:5, Funny)

    by neonprimetime (528653) on Monday August 21, 2006 @09:15AM (#15947926) Homepage
    GS: Speaking of dates, its three months to the day from now that you guys are going to launch. - translated to : you guys are so screwed, you're never going to get ps3 released!
    KH: Correct. Yes. - translated to : shut up, so we screwed up a few times, leave me alone!
    GS: How are things looking there? - translated to : so is there any chance Sony can still profit from ps3?
    KH: Everything's pretty much on track. - translated to : if I owned Sony i'd just scrap the whole project right now and begin working on PS4.
    • if I owned Sony i'd just scrap the whole project right now and begin working on PS4.

      Hey, it worked so well when Atari scrapped the Panther project to focus on Jaguar, and when Sega abandoned 32X to focus on Saturn...
      • by NeMon'ess (160583) *
        The Panther was even less powerful than the Jaguar. Focusing on the Jag was the right way to go.

        The 32X never should have been released. In fact, that comparison works. There's a semi-reasonable argument that Sony should scrap the PS3 and ride the PS2 for a few years. Just like Sega should have scrapped the 32X and coasted on the Sega CD/Genesis combo for a year until the Saturn came out.
  • Wow... (Score:4, Funny)

    by Schezar (249629) on Monday August 21, 2006 @09:17AM (#15947932) Homepage Journal
    I've been following the "Jack Thompson Rule" when it comes to covering/reporting on/commenting on Sony in the past several months. Essentially Sony, like Jack Thompson, must be ignored unless the most recent news about them tops the previous news. For example:

    Jack says something stupid: write a comment
    Jack says something else stupid: ignore him
    Jack kills a baby: write a comment

    Congratulations Sony! You've gotten me to once again comment on your amazing incompetance.
  • don't fret (Score:5, Funny)

    by dolson (634094) on Monday August 21, 2006 @10:48AM (#15948524) Homepage Journal
    Everyone who has the money and the desire to spend it on this system need not worry. It doesn't take long to manufacture a dozen consoles.
    • by DrXym (126579)
      While I can't say for certain if I'll buy a PS3 (let the early adopter suckers beta test it first), I know that I want something that does more than just play games. I only have a finite amount of space and plug sockets by my TV and multi-function device is more useful to me. If the PS3 can play movies, stream (& rip) music, be a passable web browser and even possibly even support Linux (and by extension homebrew, emulation etc.), that makes it well worth the money.

      At that point you're talking about s

      • by monopole (44023)
        ...the relatively liberal DRM in the PSP...
        Liberal compared to what? With a new crippling "feature" with every patch? With people desprately downgrading their software at every turn? With UMD proving to be BetaMax2005?

        Oh wait, we're dealing with Sony, the company that has shipped BluRay drives which won't play BluRay disks:
        http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/ 11/1815258 [slashdot.org]
        Yeah, in comparison the PSP is relatively liberal with it's DRM.
        • by DrXym (126579)
          Liberal compared to what? With a new crippling "feature" with every patch? With people desprately downgrading their software at every turn? With UMD proving to be BetaMax2005?

          Liberal compared to what Sony had every right to make it. It could have been far worse. As it stands it plays ripped movies & music in a variety of formats, including WMA & AAC. From Sony that's very liberal. The only people desperately trying to downgrade are pirates and homebrewers. Now I'm the first to support homebrew, bu

  • by demonic-halo (652519) on Monday August 21, 2006 @12:56PM (#15949489)
    Are you hinting that the PS3 is some sort of Vaporware?

    It's real dammit. I believe in the blue ray!
  • by Hamster Lover (558288) * on Monday August 21, 2006 @02:37PM (#15950189) Journal
    I am too lazy for Google for a link, but apparently the time between the start of manufacture of the 360 and the launch was a scant 69 days. I think we all know how well that went. With under 90 days until the PS3 launch in Japan and North America I am not at all confident that Sony can produce the 2 million units they expect to be ready for launch.

    I think Nintendo might steal significant thunder from Sony if PS3 shortages are a drastic as I expect by offering the Wii in quantity with the quality and quantity of launch titles that are anticipated. If a parent walks into a store around Christmas asks for a PS3 only to hear that it's out of stock looks at the Wii, the breadth of launch titles, the comparitive price, the innovative control style, the name Nintendo and the fact that it's in stock, well then maybe Nintendo can clean the floor with Sony. I hope NIntendo realizes this. Anyone who doubts that it might happen need only look at the success of the DS versus the PSP.
    • by batkiwi (137781)
      You haven't seen their latest backtracking... they want 2 million by the end of the year, not on launch day.
  • Sony knows that their price is high, that is probably one of the reasons they have not yet started manufacturing the PS3, it costs them too much. Every day that passes means that the already expensive components of the PS3 drop just a little bit in price. When they feel that they will be able to produce enough units to meet their outrageous price, they will start production. It will minimize their losses on the devices. Regardless of price or number of units able to be sold, they need to just RELEASE th
  • I think that things might be slightly blown out of proportion here. First of all, I think that Cell chips, RAM, GPU's, and Blu-Ray drives have already been produced for the PlayStation 3, however they have not been assembled yet. Perhaps there aren't enough of any particular component yet to start ramping up production without running out of said component. Additionally, Microsoft didn't start manufacturing consoles until September either, and they still managed to get the Xbox 360 to market, albeit fewer t

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