LinuxWorld Expo Wraps Up 48
lisah writes "LinuxWorld Conference & Expo drew to a close yesterday with a handful of final talks and presentations. Newsforge has a rundown on the end of the event. Christina Noren, vice president of product management with Splunk, gave a talk entitled 'Troubleshooting Linux and the Open Source Software Stack.' Among her suggestions were the use of centralized logging systems, allowing users access to logs for researching their own problems, and logging successes and failures to establish a baseline. Kernel developer Greg Kroah-Hartman gave a presentation that focused on doing kernel version control with Quilt, Ketchup, and Git. Though turnout was low as conference attendees got an early start to the airport, the talk was followed up by a lively Q & A about general kernel development. Questions ranged from the Resier 4 situation to who will eventually succeed Linus. The next Linux World Expo will be held February 14-15, 2007, in New York." Newsforge and Slashdot are both owned by OSTG.
Valentine's Day? (Score:4, Insightful)
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You fix her computer of course.
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Uh, they call them "editors", I expect them to edit.
Henceforth, I call you an idiot.
A nice dig at the presenters... (Score:1)
From the article:
Overall, LinuxWorld was a decent show, if a bit lacking in excitement. The quality of the talks was down a bit this year, with a Kroah-Hartman's talk Thursday being one of the obvious exceptions.
Ouch.
The next LinuxWorld will be held in New York, February 14-15, 2007.
So get those tickets early, folks!
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I'd hit it! (Score:1, Funny)
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I bet that just makes her whole day
Fact Checking (Score:5, Informative)
Mod bait: (Score:1)
My above post is the expression of an opinion on the difference between Linux Expo and the Open Summit; it is ontopic flamebait.
KFG
Giving users access to logs... (Score:3, Funny)
More importantly, in a large multi-user setting, why should users be expected to do their own troubleshooting at such a low-level? How trustworthy will user log analysis be for a sysadmin?
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Absolutely. One compelling reason for restricting access to system logs is the case of users who inadvertently enter their passwords when prompted for their login id. The password then becomes visible in plain-text to anyone with read access to the logs. World-read access is clearly a bad idea, but group-read for trusted individuals may be an acceptable compromise.
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This is a tough issue. I remember reading a while back about two girls who had their own business barred from attending some kind of toy trade show, citing the concern that vendors could sue the organizers for letting in people who legally cannot enter into binding contracts. Even though the organizers of LinuxWorld haven't returned Make's calls yet, I wouldn't be surprised if they policy was drafted for similar reasons.
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Actually, it's cannot be legally bound to a contract, which is legally something rather different (and even this is provisional, as some forms of contract are perfectly binding on minors. Marriage for instance. This will vary by jurisdiction).
Saw a movie once that illustrates how people can get this idea wrong. A kid did some yardwork for an old coot, on the promise of earning a dog. When the work was done the old coot refused to deliver the dog because the
Name change? (Score:3, Funny)
These guys were there... (Score:1)
I wasn't there, but I heard they had a pretty good setup.
Enough Splunk already (Score:5, Interesting)
Well duh, logging software vendor recommends a central logging system! News at 11... In other news, Mcdonalds recommends a healthy hamburger, and Coca-Cola recommends sugary carbonated beverages...
I've tried Splunk... downloaded the free demo and put it on my central syslog server. I was pretty unimpressed. Their AJAX interface, while it does allow Firefox style "real-time" log parsing, was clunky and bloated and makes browsers slow to a crawl, even on a fairly decent 2 ghz Centrino laptop with a gig of memory. No thanks... I've been using a free log parser called php-syslog-ng for a while now and it works great... I dump all of my log files using syslog-ng to a MySQL database and I can query them however I want with php-syslog-ng, or at the mysql client command line interface if I feel like being a real masochist...
Splunk is a problem looking for a solution. Centralized logging has been solved many years ago by many free and commercial products. Just bolting an AJAX interface on the front of your log collecting machine does not make you worthy of thousands of dollars of my money...
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Wouldn't that have the opposite effect?
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Wouldn't that have the opposite effect?
No, a McDonald's hamburger generally makes me splunk very soon after eating it.
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Take Corey Shields who runs OSL (Open Source Labs). OSL hosts many of the world's largest Open Source Projects: Linux Kernel, Firefox, Open Office, debian, etc.
http://staff.osuosl.org/~cshields/?p=139 [osuosl.org]
or perhaps Ben Rockwood sysadmin extraordinaire as well as OpenSolaris advocate:
http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id= 637 [cuddletech.com]
Not sure why your browser is slow on your laptop. Take a look at demo.splunk.com . Zippy on every browser I've tried.
Attendance down next year? (Score:1)
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Sloppily Framed Story (Score:2)
Quilt, Ketchup and Git? (Score:4, Funny)
Pre-Reg gift - iPod. for Linux? (Score:2)
My question for those who got iPods, did they include Linux drivers?
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I went to the show... (Score:5, Interesting)
In all, was still worth it, just wasent as fun as it was in previous years.
Age Discrimination by IDG (Score:5, Insightful)
You also might ask your favorite vendors to speak up on the subject. The Show Director tells me that the reasons for the change is complaints from exhibitors about too many students.
It seems a little ridiculous that a 17-year old kernel hacker would be turned away at the door by Linuxworld. I gather that this is a bone tossed to vendors complaining about poor sales at the Expo, but it strikes me as being fairly short-sighted... in the computer biz, you really want to get 'em while they're young, before they settle in on a particular OS.
will RHEL5 have firewire working out of the box? (Score:3, Interesting)
Text editor wars (Score:2)
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Quickie Review of the Expo (Score:5, Insightful)
Camraderie seemed to be running pretty high, over in the non-profit corner (wrapped around the slashdot lounge, which was a bunch of laptop zombies on slashdot beanbag chairs)... it seemed like there was a lot of action at the Debian booth, the postgresql booth, and so on (though there was no perl foundation presence this year, not sure why). Lots of people were passing out free CDs for this-and-that.
Out in the corporate world, there was a pretty elaborate demo of Suse 10 handled by Novell: a class room layout with enough laptops setup for a few dozen people to play along with the demos. These demos were extremely slick, very impressive... it's too bad RedHat ("linux isn't ready for the desktop") wasn't present at the Expo. Running Suse might seem like an excessive compromise with proprietary software (it does to me -- it looks like I'm going with Knoppix and Kubuntu these days) but there's no question it would be better than being locked into the offerings of Windows or Apple.
In the light of these Suse 10 demos, the OpenSuse project -- which had a small booth off in the aforementioned corner -- seems very interesting. They were passing out disks that apparently included a few non-"open" components though (flash, etc).
The O'Reilly booth had it's fair share of people browsing, though there didn't seem to be all that much excitement about their present offerings, at least not to my eye. They had a nice series of talks going that I appreciated (e.g. two seperate talks by Bill Childers and Kyle Rankin, the authors of the new Ubuntu Hacks [oreilly.com]).
Out in hardware land, there was a nice array of server hardware (e.g. impressive booths by Tyan and Supermicro) ... I always appreciate this kind of thing, because not being a sysadmin type I don't often get that close to high-end hardware like this.
Emperor penguin was in the house, with demo models of all of their laptop models. Still no AMD64 versions, I'm afraid: apparently they're waiting for Dell to get on it...
It seemed like the general theme out on the floor was "virtualization"... I was hanging around with a friend of mine, listening to a sales pitch on the subject (by EMC, I think), trying to figure out what was so cool about it, but without much success. Hardware is cheap enough that it wouldn't seem all that onerous to stick with one box per OS installation... and after all, you can run NFS if you want to use large disk arrays more efficiently. But everywhere I turned someone was talking about it... Bill Childers mentioned in passing that his company had gotten a 12 to 1 reduction in servers by using vmware (which has a freeware version, but is not free/open), and one of the Debian folks was talking about how it's really good for some random legacy app that needs a particular platform that otherwise you wouldn't want to run.
Re:Quickie Review of the Expo (Score:5, Insightful)
Because of that, I'll explain this:
"Hardware is cheap enough that it wouldn't seem all that onerous to stick with one box per OS installation..."
Hardware *IS* cheap. However, power,cooling and floor space is NOT cheap. At my last company we were spending over 40k a month in power alone for our servers. We weren't allowed to install any MORE servers because the datacenter could not provide any more cooling. With the exception of the IBM T42 Cabinet holding the pSeries gear, under VMWare we could have consolidated 5 racks of servers into 3. That would cut the square footage needs, the cooling needs AND the power needs.
Virtualization is something that has been around for a long time (zOS, lpars on the pSeries). The x86 world has been sorely lacking this for a while. Hell Sun just got something in place with the last release in the form of Zones. You could do the same thing on HP Superdome gear ( I think ).
So yes, hardware is cheap but the associated costs (power, cooling, real estate) and the sheer amount of things that can break on that many servers makes virtualization of the x86 platform the tastiest thing since sliced cheese.