Super-fast Transistors On the Way 172
nbannerman writes "The BBC is reporting about a new kind of transistor, that recently set a world record of 110Ghz. From the article: 'To achieve the speed gain, researchers at the University of Southampton added fluorine to the silicon devices. The technique uses existing silicon manufacturing technology meaning it should be quick and easy to deploy.' The apparent applications for this process include mobile phones and digital cameras."
Re:Mobile Phones? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Mobile Phones? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Mobile Phones? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:bipolar transistors (Score:5, Informative)
There is also a very good chance that while the manufacturing process may be suitable for single (relatively) large tranistors (perfectly suitable, and often desireable for RF), it is not suitable for integrated circuits with multiple tranistors and other components on a die. Gallium Arsenide is a perfect example of this - The IC industry gave up on it pretty quickly because it was simply too difficult to make integrated circuits with it and the performance benefits for logic circuits weren't worth the costs, but manufacturers of RF transistors are still putting large amounts of effort into GaAs and plenty of commercial products exist. (Yes, there are still issues with GaAs technology and a lot of companies still don't trust GaAs in their products except in low-volume high-performance applications, but it's not like logic circuits where nothing exists on the market.)
Same thing with IBM's big SiGe push - great for RF but doesn't seem to have made any inroads to logic, probably due to cost issues and technical problems that make SiGe potentially unsuitable for logic but don't really affect their RF performance.
Re:bipolar transistors (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Power Consumption (Score:3, Informative)
MOSFET Application (Score:5, Informative)
Not really the fastest transistor... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:As an added benefit... (Score:5, Informative)
Fluorine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorine [wikipedia.org]
Fluoride: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride [wikipedia.org]
There would be some pretty serious differences betweent the two. Neither is good for you to ingest, but one is just REALLY BAD to get anywhere near you at all!
Re:Power Consumption (Score:5, Informative)
You are talking about basic c*v**2 current, and he's talking about shoot-through current during the transition. Though one normally doesn't fuss too hard about shoot-through unless slew rates are really slow. But then again, it wasn't that many years ago that device standby leakage was nearly negligible, instead of being a substantial fraction of the active current, like it is today. For that matter, the scope traces I've seen of high-speed clocks look a heck of a lot more like a sine wave than a logic pulse, but at this point we're stressing capabilities of the measurment electonics, too.
Re:Mobile Phones? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Power Consumption (Score:5, Informative)
RTFA
This isn't about CMOS, for a change. This is about analog power amplification and the 100GHz figure quoted is either the maximum frequency of current or power amplification. Too bad the BBC doesn't say.
Most cell phones contain one Gallium Arsenide bipolar transistor to amplify the signal going to the antenna. This faster Silicon transistor would open up other transmission frequencies but it wouldn't make that game of Alchemy play any faster.
Re:Mobile Phones? (Score:5, Informative)
"The research was carried out using a simple type of transistor known as a silicon bipolar transistor."
Processors use FET transistors because BJT transistors need current to bias them all the time. These transistors would consume way too much power to make any sort of processor (especially for mobile devices). As others have commented, this would only be useful for the analog processing of the output transmitter.
Re:Not really the fastest transistor... (Score:2, Informative)
The performance of a 0.25×3 m2 pseudomorphic heteojunction bipolar transistors achieves peak fT of 710 GHz (fMAX=340 GHz)... (emphasis mine)
So, maximum achievable frequency is actually quite a bit lower than 710GHz.
Also, the article acknowledges that faster transistors exist ("Alternative approaches for building fast transistors exist but they use other materials, such as gallium arsenide or a silicon germanium mix, which require more expensive manufacturing techniques."), but this is a method that can be adapted to existing silicon manufacturing processes.
The article also qualified the claim ("...set a new world record for the fastest transistor of its type."), but of course this is not as sensational of a headline, so did not make it into the summary.
Re:Power Consumption (Score:4, Informative)
The reason that the development is significant is not from a microprocessor standpoint - it means that the front end amplifiers and mixers that have to run at the highest frequencies can be fabricated using more cost-effective manufacturing techniques. This is assuming that the article is correct in stating the development concerns BJT's. Hell knows why they showed a photo of a non-populated circuit board, but hey, it's the media. Guess you have dial your expectations lower.
Re:MOSFET Application (Score:5, Informative)
Listen Up You Primitive Screwheads... (Score:2, Informative)
I don't design digital circuits with bipolar devices. I design digital circuits with CMOS devices. Bipolar sucks power but it runs fast. CMOS sips power but it run's slower.
And if I'm going to design anything usefull with it, that thing is going to operate at about 1/10th of the cut-off frequency (Ft).
This ain't about 110 GHz CPUs.
This is about Op Amps and Phase Lock Loops.
I know that Circuits 101 was a long time ago for some of you folks, but really.
Re:Mobile Phones? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Not really the fastest transistor... (Score:1, Informative)
Since you don't design amplifiers with a gain of 1, you don't see circuits operating at frequencies around ft. One also has to account for loading of the interconnects and the overhead of driving other components, which also reduces the maximum frequency of operation for chips. Transistors in the latest and greatest pentiums are well above 200 GHz (silicon CMOS), and IBM has SiGe HBTs (a variant of a BJT) above 350 GHz.
But I'm sure you already knew that. After all, what else can fmax mean but the *MAXIMUM* frequency of operation (emphasis mine).
What About IBM+Georgia Tech @ 500ghz? (Score:4, Informative)
Hos is this new one a world record at 110ghz?
Re:Faster? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:MOSFET Application (Score:5, Informative)
One of the physical features of a MOSFET is that there are places where silicon dopped to be of the type P (ie, a substance was added to it so that it is missing electrons in it's crystaline structure by comparisson with pure silicon) is in direct contact with silicon dopped to be of type N (ie, a substance was added to it so that it has extra electrons in it's crystaline structure by comparisson with pure silicon).
Now, as many of us know, solids are just very slow liquids
In the specific case of a MOSFET, we have junctions between the silicon dopped with a specific material to make it type-N (ie more electrons) and silicon dopped with a different material to make it type-P (ie fewer electrons). In this situation, some of the dopping atoms in the type-N silicon will move to the type-P side and vice versa, thus making the junction less "sharp" (in terms of the difference between both sides).
Some very complicated formulas (which i forgot all about) can be used to show that the "sharper" the junction, the more efficient it is.
This is what the GGP is going about.
Consider that maybe there are enough people in
The *real* article is here. fT = 110GHz (Score:2, Informative)
Summary:
http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/12112/ [soton.ac.uk]
pdf:
http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/12112/01/2006_Kham