New Apple Bootcamp Released 106
eebra82 writes "Apple just updated their Bootcamp website with the release of Bootcamp 1.1 beta. It adds extended hardware support, including the ability to install XP on any internal disk, built-in iSight camera support, built-in microphone, right clicks with Apple key, more keyboard buttons such as Delete, NumLock, PrintScreen and ScrollLock. Numerous annoyances are no more thanks to motherboard updates, too. This release is 200 MB or so over the previous 90 MB install, which is due to heavier driver support such as included Nvidia video drivers."
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Lemme try again.
In Soviet Russia, insensitive clods are . .
OK, AgentSmith you're fired. The corporate heads decided to outsource you anyway.
Allright people! That's a wrap! We'll get it in postedit.
i AM in being Soviet Russia fools with hardware are clod.
Solid!
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Tell you the truth, I would be very surprised if Vista does not support EFI, since this is clearly the direction Intel wants new hardware going.
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The firmware updates that were released along with Boot Camp are what enabled Windows XP to boot on the Mac. EFI can contain a legacy BIOS mode, which Apple hadn't enabled on the first Intel Macs. The firmware updates enabled it.
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Now really (Score:2)
One dollar for everytime I have to read that line on /. and I could quit work.
They recommend an upgrade (Score:3, Informative)
Re:They recommend an upgrade (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:They recommend an upgrade (Score:4, Insightful)
Probably because it's a bunch of bullshit. It's probably Wine, and the people only saw applications that work properly being run, and until I hear something more reliable than Cringely telling me some guy saw it running when they would have no way to know that they're not looking at a canned demo, I'm not going to believe it. Lots of smart people have been working on Windows compatibility for a long time and it's an amazingly hard problem, which is why you can't run (for example) Alpha Centauri for Windows on Wine. (Yes, I know it's available for Linux.)
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Na, I'm good, but thanks.
Re:They recommend an upgrade (Score:2)
Oh, and fix the vulnerabilities of the API so the viruses and trojans can't run (or at least alert the user), and add (similarly protected)
Basically, put Windows applications in
Re:They recommend an upgrade (Score:1)
If this were possible (i.e., support all Win XP apps with such improvements in the infrastructure) with a small engineering effort, why would MS not have already done so?
Apple does not have software engineers with mystical powers compared to MS engineers. What allows their greater agility is that they don't need to support legacy decisions made long ago in Redmond
Re:They recommend an upgrade (Score:3, Funny)
> If this were possible (i.e., support all Win XP apps with such improvements
> in the infrastructure) with a small engineering effort, why would MS not
> have already done so?
>
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Wait, you mean that?
Re:They recommend an upgrade (Score:1)
There's lots of things that other companies have done and do that Microsoft doesn't. This doesn't imply those tasks are impossible.
And the ability to isolate software is regularly practiced in computer science and real IT. Chroot jails are an example of this. It's not even that difficult, and now there is software [lifehacker.com] that brings this same
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Mac OS X security and desktop environment, on a real Mac, plus all the XP applications you want, minus the cost of the XP license. Dunno, seems like a steal to me.
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Do you even know what support means?
For those not in the know, support basically means, "we will make sure your shit works". How the hell is Apple going to make sure Windows works on their hardware? Honest question. Do you not think that is why they do not support it? The less commitment Apple makes to enabling users to run Windows on their hardware, the less problems they will have as a result of their users running windows on their hardware. This
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Even from the summary, Apple is already providing drivers for Windows as part of Boot Camp...so they must be doing some sort of qualification already.
I was looking at it from a different viewpoint, though. Why spend the time building support for APIs that are guaranteed to change with little-to-no warning (just ask IBM!) when you can leverage off of the open source community to provide you with a virtualization la
Re:They recommend an upgrade (Score:2)
Unraveling the Red Box Myth [roughlydrafted.com]
According to proponents of the Red Box Myth, Mac OS X will supposedly soon run Windows software natively, perhaps as soon as Leopard 10.5. They're wrong; here's why.
Here's why the idea behind running various different types of software doesn't really work in the real world:
Unraveling the Utopian System that Runs All Software Ima [roughlydrafted.com]
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What XP updates?
First of all, XP SP2 is fairly stable right now. They can take the API and freeze it. (Yes, Apple has the code to XP, including SP2. Read the Cringely article.) No need to upgrade it any further. Most of Microsoft's upgrades are for security reasons anyway, and since Windows apps would presumably run sandboxed in some manner, even a big s
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XP isn't difficult to emulate as an "API" because Microsoft is doing updates, but rather because XP is a huge, monolithic, closed uber platform that even Microsoft has lots of trouble updating in a way that does not break somebody's existing code.
Clearly you didn't read about wh
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Remember how much time Microsoft spends updating their OS? Apple would basically have to duplicate this. Worse, they'd have to do a significant amount of reverse engineering as well, to
External drives (Score:5, Interesting)
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You can move and copy the virtual machines to however many machines you want.
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Or better yet, just leave the VM image file sitting on a file server somewhere so there'll be absolutely no worries about licensing issues (assuming you've licensed the software in that image file).
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If you want to run multiple versions of Safari on Mac OS look here: http://www.michelf.com/projects/multi-safari/ [michelf.com]
There is hosted self-contained builds of Safari using all the released variants of the rendering engine. Credit to Michel Fortin for doing thi
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XP gives you three radio buttons in th Virtual Memory settings: Custom size, System managed size, or No paging file. So yes, you can turn it off. It may complain that you won't get debugging info, but I just tried it on my test PC.
Older versions of windows will let you disable all paging files, but they can't actually run without one.
98SE can. I've disabled the page file, reb
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Sorry, I made a serious omission, I meant Windows NT.
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Windows for Testing (Score:2)
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No, you can't (Score:1)
XP doesn't support booting off USB (Score:2)
How about support for installing XP on an external drive so that you can use it on more than one Intel Mac or even other PCs?
XP doesn't support booting off USB, because swap can't be on USB. There are some hacks to do it, but it isn't pretty. Firewire is better, but still not ideal. Also, XP is liable to be extremely unhappy (licensing-wise) with switching to completely new hardware all the time, unless it is the 'corporate' version...so your bit about switching between different intel macs is mostly
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One more sale for Apple today :) (Score:3, Interesting)
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SP2 doesn't include WGA. If you update through Automatic Updates with the "Notify me before downloading and installing" option you'll be given the opportunity to clear the checkbox for WGA.
Re:One more sale for Apple today :) (Score:2)
This is true, but with the caveat that only automatic updates will work if you don't have WGA; you can't use the windows update website. Thus if you want any updates you have to set it to download and notify or only notify and then disable installing WGA every time - or you will end up with WGA.
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Additionally, you can have your swap file on any partition and it doesn't have to be on your System partition with XP. You just have to set it to No Paging file for the C: drive (assuming XP is on C:)
Re:One more sale for Apple today :) (Score:2)
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Because WGA phones home to Microsoft with your information, to which they have no right.
Re:One more sale for Apple today :) (Score:2)
I'm not sure what makes the difference, but something does. You can slipstream SP2 into a SP or SP1 disk and reburn it using a program like nLite (http://www.nliteos.com/ [nliteos.com]).
Re:One more sale for Apple today :) (Score:2)
"install will fail unless its sp2" - we tried SP1 and if does not work at all. or we made a decision in our design process which stops sp1 from working.
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It does work with corporate XP SP2 CDs, which have no register/authorization system.
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I instead would like to disable the Help key when under Mac OS X. I keep hitting it when I want to backspace or delete, but I don't want to pop the keycap off.
Wait till the next release! (Score:4, Funny)
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Windows 2000 support? (Score:2)
I would love to support Win2K and downgrade from WinXP. Something to be said for stability at end-of-life.
Re:Windows 2000 support? (Score:1, Informative)
I suspect that if you got win2k installed on there with all the appropriate drivers (pull drive, use sata-to-pata convertor, install, install sata driver), then it should at least boot, though the mac driver disk may not.
Re:Windows 2000 support? (Score:2)
If you used a SATA-PATA bridge, then the drive would be in a different location, and you would get INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE when you switched back because NT is stupid like that.
On the other hand, if you hit F6 right after setup loads, and install a "third-party driver", then I don't
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Parallel's Desktop! (Score:2)
iSight camera support (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyone tried an external iSight camera [apple.com] plugged into any old windows machine with the bootcamp driver to see if that works, as well? Previously, the external iSight cameras were OSX only. This may open more sales of iSight for Apple on these items, too.
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Drivers are a big change in 1.1B (Score:2)
Since you won't have to repartition or reinstall to upgrade, this looks like a great update for Mac laptop users
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Apple Boot Camp FAQ updated (Score:4, Interesting)
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Boot Camp for Linux? Others? (Score:2)
My new Mac Pro should be arriving this week. I plan to use both Boot Camp and Parallels with it. I'd like as much flexibility to run different OSes as possible.
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Speaking of Windows XP Support (Score:1)
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Looks like Insert is supported (Score:2)
Now if only OSX would support the insert toggle in native editors...
32GB FAT partitions? (Score:2)
Another source [mcmcse.com] says that while Windows XP won't format a volume larger than
Re:32GB FAT partitions? (Score:1)
IFS ext2/3 drivers [fs-driver.org]
It's free, it's solid (I also have another driver that I use to convert my Linux swap partition into a usable partition under Windows, where its swap is stored too), and it stores files up to, what, 2 TiB?
If there's a Mac ext2/3 driver (and there's gotta be, eh?), this might help you out.
HTH
-Ed
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What's "right clicks with the apple key" mean? (Score:2)
Or is it "tap the right apple key for a click", which sounds, well, why the hell won't they let us do that in OS X? The "two finger tap" trick on the trackpad is cute but, like the Mighty Mouse, it feels like a kind of passive-aggressive assault on people who are still resisting the cult of the single button mouse.
(STEVE: IT'S OK, PEOPLE DON'T HATE YOU FOR HAVING TWO BUTTONS ON THE NEXT)
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