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AOL Digs Up Yard for Spam Gold 230

Registered Coward v2 writes "AOL is planning to dig in a MA couple's yard looking for buried gold and platinum owned by a spammer they successfully sued for spamming AOL. AOL said Tuesday it intends to search for gold and platinum bars the company suspects are hidden near the home of Davis Wolfgang Hawke's parents on two acres in Medfield, Massachusetts. The family said it will fight in court to oppose AOL's plans."
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AOL Digs Up Yard for Spam Gold

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  • by RuBLed ( 995686 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:12AM (#15917653)
    "She said AOL's lawyer notified the family that the company intends to use bulldozers and geological teams to hunt for gold and platinum on their property."

    I think it's a little bit of an overkill. If the article is true, the man just used shovels to hide the gold. Sounds like the ol' Gold Rush to me.

    "AOL said it will try to accommodate Hawke's parents by not being too obtrusive."

    lol
  • X marks the spot (Score:2, Insightful)

    by spooky ghost ( 70606 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:21AM (#15917681)
    And even if AOL lose they've marked the spot with a big X. There are going to be plenty of people believing that there is gold hidden on the property and they'll all be sneaking around and digging holes hoping to get a piece of the treasure. It'll be worse than an invasion of moles (or whatever the local burrowing creatures are.)
  • by 15Bit ( 940730 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:24AM (#15917690)
    For some people reparations are not enough. If you put a lot of effort into your garden and it gets bulldozered, then no amount of fixing is going to make it the same. Some plants take years to mature, and a nice, flat, moss-free lawn can take a lifetime. For many a garden is a labour of love, not just a quick trip to the garden centre.

    And using heavy machinery does seem a bit like overkill. If the guy did bury his ill-gotten gains there, then he did it with a spade. Surely an old fashioned metal detector would do the trick, and failing that one of those clever underground scanners the archeologists use.

  • by kfg ( 145172 ) * on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:25AM (#15917694)
    AOL could be made sure to fix any damage the do (grass, trees, etc)..

    Have you ever tried to "fix" a tree with a bulldozer?

    KFG
  • by hagrin ( 896731 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:25AM (#15917695) Homepage Journal
    ... isn't there a way that they could use a helicopter equipped with metal detection devices to determine if anything is buried on the property without actually digging? (I'm pretty sure I saw this on a Law & Order: Criminal Intent once).

    I would assume that a non-intrusive "search" of the property would at least be a middle ground between the two sides.
  • by StringBlade ( 557322 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:30AM (#15917707) Journal
    Let's go back to a hand, a foot and your first born for an eye. Next time you'll think twice about committing crime.

    In that case, you'd need a much more stringet set of requirements for the burden of proof lest you end up with a society of one handed, one footed, one eyed people, many of whom were falsely accused and convicted.

    If you want to spur more violence and civil unrest all you need to do is overreact in an excessively violent manner. A perfect example of this is Israel and Lebanon. Understandably Israel was angered by the murder of their (three?) soldiers, but bombing Lebanon back to the stone age in retaliation was a bit on the "way overboard" side in terms of justice. And because of it did Lebanon and Hezbollah stop doing what they were doing? Of course not - it just escalated.

    I'm not saying violence is never justified, but excessive violence is never justified. Would you lop off appendages for jaywalking, or just for murder? What about white-collar crimes like Ken Lay and Enron?

  • Re:Wait... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by kfg ( 145172 ) * on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:32AM (#15917715)
    Take away all income and possessions until the debt is paid.

    Someone didn't read the article. His income was from spamming and the only siezable possessions are a used cop car (whereabouts unknown) and . . .

    . . .gold and platinum bars, because. . .

    He now either has the choice of living in povery. . .

    He has already made that choice. For some reason he just likes the idea of living in poverty with gold and platinum buried somewhere. Makes him feel comfy or something just knowing it's there while he's eating cold Kraft macaroni and cheese in the back seat of his used cop car, down by the Connecticut River.

    KFG
  • Re:Wait... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Don_dumb ( 927108 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:35AM (#15917721)
    Because, as TFA stated, Davis Wolfgang Hawke did not turn up at the trial and cannot be found (at least by AOL), but they do have reciepts that he had purchased gold at the time, they believe in order to survive litigation more effectively.

    As much as I hate the spammer, I have to credit him that he was bright enough to know how to commit a lucrative crime. People who work average pay jobs but start profiting from fraud or theft, often expose themselves as they start turning up to work in Ferraris and buying big new houses, they just shout to the world "I am making too much money somehow". Patiently buying gold is a smart way to work, you just have to know when to quit so you can spend your cash, away from the scene of the crime. I guess DWH has done just this.

    Personally, I can see the logic in hunting in the parents garden, as it seems he was living there when he was aquiring the gold. But isn't it more likely he has just taken them wherever he has gone?
  • by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:40AM (#15917737)
    He converted it all to gold... Which isn't such a bad idea the way the dollar is devaluing. Then he disappeared, presumably to come back and get it when AOL have given up.

    People are creatures of habit and familiarity, he's probably hidden it somewhere he's familiar with and is fairly sure it's unlikely to be disturbed. Places he's visited regularly, holidayed, relatives etc. The more often he's been there the greater the familiarity and the greater the chance he's hidden it there. AOL are going after the logical first target.

     
  • by kfg ( 145172 ) * on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @06:42AM (#15917743)
    . . .does it really deserve such extreme aggressive measures to punish the guilty?

    Maybe, maybe not, but then they aren't punishing the guilty. They're punishing the guilty's parents without any real probable cause for believing the bars are actually on the property.

    The parents claim that they're buried in the White Mountains somewhere not only sounds reasonable, but probable.

    Oh, hey! I've got relatives in North Conway I can stay with. Hands off Washington, Jefferson and Monroe people. I claim them. They're mine! Mine! All mine! I'm a greedy little miser.

    KFG
  • by sanyam_y ( 982945 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @07:57AM (#15917936)
    I first thought that this posting was a spoof only to check that it is real. This shows how low can AOL get. After sacking half of its workforce it wants to dig backyards. Is it not digging its own graveyard...?
  • by Asic Eng ( 193332 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @08:01AM (#15917950)
    Well according to the article the guy made $600,000 a month from illegal activities. So that makes him a big-time crook, and it seems reasonable for AOL to try to get the $12.8 million which they were awarded. I think most people on Slashdot would have some understanding for the RIAA's position if they were going after someone who was illegally producing CDs and making half a million from selling those every month.

    Now that the parents of the culprit should have to suffer, is a different matter. They might be entirely innocent and really have no connection to the money. Then again AOL may be right with their suspicions. I hope the judge will come to a fair decision.

  • Ah, it's ironic... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Aphrika ( 756248 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @08:24AM (#15918037)
    ...if they dug up my back garden, they'd find 5 years worth of unsolicited ISP CDs they used to send me - oh, let's call them spam for the sake of argument - and bloody annoying they were too!
  • by robizzle ( 975423 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @08:26AM (#15918052)
    Just before I had enough floppy discs to do anything fun with, they switched to CDs.
  • by Kadin2048 ( 468275 ) <.ten.yxox. .ta. .nidak.todhsals.> on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @09:14AM (#15918341) Homepage Journal
    True, but assuming AOL gets permission from a court to search the area, they really have no motivation to be less destructive than they're allowed to be. If they can demonstrate to a judge that there's reasonable cause to believe that the couple are protecting a cache of misbegotten goods, and one of their goals is also to make a point to the world/public about spamming and how it's not a good thing to do, then it would make sense that they would try and argue for the most destructive method of searching available.

    I'd say that the best way to do it would be to go in there with heavy equipment, and just run all the dirt on the property down to a depth of about six feet or so through a sifter. It's probably reasonably cheap from AOL's perspective (all you need is a backhoe and a separator/sifter -- that's probably not the right term for it, but you've probably seen the machines that do this), and it creates a nice TV image if what you want to show is a spammer/family-of-spammer getting their lives trashed.

    A whole lot of people out there really hate spammers; it's one of those things that pretty much everybody hates and has to deal with, and the idea that people who profited (potentially) from spam are getting their lives turned upside down isn't necessarily a bad PR move. Of course, it could easily backfire if the people in question can portray themselves as the victims, but if they're sufficiently uncharismatic, don't think for a moment that the American public won't be beside themselves with glee seeing their lawn get trashed. Public opinion in this country has a bit of a vengeful streak -- there's nothing we like better than seeing karma come around and bite someone in the ass.

    All depends on who can make themselves look like the good guy.
  • Victims?? Wtf?? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @09:17AM (#15918388)
    I really don't get all the talk about victims here ... these people are as bad as the spammers, they actually _bought_ junk from the spammers (ie. encouraging the trade).

    If there's any question about where that $12m should go, how about all of us who're not simple enough to buy junk from spam and actually were victims to Wolfe's unsolicited emailing???
  • by The Snowman ( 116231 ) * on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @03:22PM (#15921812)
    leave the spammer's yard with big piles of dirt.

    This is the spammer's parents' house. If you read the article, you would know that the spammer drove an old beater car and never owned property. He was a millionaire on paper, not by lifestyle. Punishing his parents for his crime is wrong and illegal.

  • by zakezuke ( 229119 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @04:10PM (#15922135)
    Yes, but they paid for those to be sent to you. It did not cost you anything to receive them. With email, you pay a portion of the cost of the email they send.

    But those AOL CDs do cost money to throw away, even if you live in a city with free trash pickup, or you take these CDs to someone else's trashbin, or you donate them to goodwill. It's petty to think about, your end expence to toss them is rather small, but think about how many of those suckers are in the landfill and how much space they occcupy, and how long they take to decompose.

    It wasn't so bad when they offered their software in the DVD long box, but the current pack is practicaly unuseable in any practical way.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @04:27PM (#15922281)
    It still seems they're asking for the right to dig up these people's yard based on pure speculation. We know there's gold. We think maybe it might be somewhere in your yard, we have no proof or evidence supporting this theory, but we want to greatly inconveniance these people anyway just in case.
  • by milal ( 995876 ) on Wednesday August 16, 2006 @05:34PM (#15922856)
    Since AOL's conventional ways to battle spam were obviously lacking results, they've turned to very creative methods to fight back. But seriously, why aren't they employing better security methods? AOL has always had a problem with spam, [essentialsecurity.com], at least when I was a customer. Though this might make a good read, I don't see it as a way to solve the problem.

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