PR Firm Behind Al Gore YouTube Spoof? 777
mytrip writes to tell us ABC News is reporting that a supposed amateur video posted to YouTube.com may have actually been designed and posted by a Republican public relations firm called DCI. From the article: "Public relations firms have long used computer technology to create bogus grassroots campaigns, which are called 'Astroturf.' Now these firms are being hired to push illusions on the Internet to create the false impression of real people blogging, e-mailing and making films."
Maybe this link will work. (Score:4, Informative)
And if any PR company produced that, they're seriously over paid.
Re:Disclosure? (Score:5, Informative)
By the way, maybe you should go see "An Inconvenient Truth." There's a lot of needless Gore biography, but the major point is that we can reduce a lot of CO2 emissions WITHOUT changing our lifestyles. Instead we need to stop being cheap bastards (and stop glad-handing our corrupt and inefficient industries) and pony up for some simple investments and regulations (like matching European and Asian fuel efficiency and investing in something other than coal power).
Re:The Linux Penguin (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Disclosure? (Score:5, Informative)
IMHO (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Obvious? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The Linux Penguin (Score:3, Informative)
YouTube search (Score:4, Informative)
Re: Al Gore's Penguin Army [youtube.com]
Al Gore's Penguin Army - Propaganda [youtube.com]
'Al Gore's Penguin Army' Misuses Linux Mascot! [youtube.com]
Re:The Linux Penguin (Score:2, Informative)
Not true, it depends on how the logo is licensed. In this case the logo has been created by Larry Ewing, Simon Budig, and, Anja Gerwinski. They decide how it may be used. See Tux.svg [wikipedia.org] and more importantly: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/penguin/ [unix-ag.org]:
Re:Justified? (Score:2, Informative)
Michael Moore is clear: he says who he is, and what his opinion is. I assume he is not payed by companies to do his work. Prove me wrong if you can.
You may say he is selective and slightly manipulative, others may call that professional, but anyway everything he claims is pretty much backed by facts, otherwise he would most probably have been sued for libel or slander.
Or do you know somethign I missed?
Re:Disclosure? (Score:3, Informative)
I keep hearing that statistic about his use of air fuel, but should he take a rowboat to China?
No, he should take a commercial flight. A 747 is very efficient - getting about 100 miles/gallon/passenger, definitely as good as my minivan at literally 10 times the speed. Al decides to fly around in a private jet which is getting a fraction of that milage per passenger. He has choices, his choice is to use tons more fuel for his convenience.
Your argument here is what we call a "false dichotomy". His choices are more than "private jet" or "rowboat".
As for the "internet" quote, the snopes article is obviously written by someone with a bias. I was watching when he said it, and his exact words were "I took the initiative in creating the internet." I did a spit-take; it was one of the most brazen lies ever concocted by a politician.
The excuse that his supporters use is that he's claiming that he supported congressional initiatives to fund the internet in the early days, which he did. But the phrase "I took the initiative" means "I did this". You cannot "take" a congressional initiative, you can only create or support such an initative. Look at the word "initiative" at dictionary.com. Al used definition 2, his supporters claim that he meant definition 3.
Re:Obvious? (Score:4, Informative)
"Monsanto's PR firm admits involvement in e-mail campaign to discredit scientists"
(2002)
http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/monsanto/news/100
Re:Republican(?) PR Firm. (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=DCI_Gr
Re:Maybe this link will work. (Score:1, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DCI_Group-YouTube_vi
Re:CMD vs DCI? (Score:5, Informative)
Perhaps English is not your first language. This is one of those subtle aspects of English that give non-native-speakers quite legitimate fits.
"Dis-interested" in this context means that you do not have a financial interest in a given position.
The CEO of a company that is embedded in the hydrocarbon economy--an oil, coal or automobile company, to name but a few examples--has an interest in convincing people that global warming is nothing to worry about, because their company's profits and the CEO's fat bonus and golden handshake depends on it.
The average
"Dis-interested" does not mean "has no opinion." It means, "has no non-rational (financial , religious or similar) reason for pushing a particular opinion over others."
Re:This was less interesting when I submitted it.. (Score:3, Informative)
Do you perhaps now understand that propertarianism exists not to advance material values, but instead to advance liberty?
Re:Disclosure? (Score:2, Informative)
From the article:
Just so there is no misunderstanding, I do agree that Mr. Gore along along with a myriad of other politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle are men of principle. The one principle they cherish and have indeed adopted as their own was first espoused by H.L. Mencken:
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed----and hence clamorous to be led to safety----by menacing it with a series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
I studied and researched global warming as a student some 12 years before Al Gore discovered it. At least then, the scientists and researchers could admit that their results were inconclusive or even ran counter to conventional wisdom in this arena without fear of losing their funding. It was, simply, because it was not an emotional politicized panic button issue the way it is today.
As [testermanscifi.org]
The Video (Score:4, Informative)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IZSqXUSwHRI [youtube.com]
-Bill
Re:Obvious? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Obvious? (Score:3, Informative)
Republicans brought an end to slavery in America.
Wow, talk about a radicaly outdated reference. The republican party of Lincoln is almost nothing like the party of today. packeteer said it well when he said it was liberals who freed the slaves, not modern day republicans.
I also find it funny that, that is the most recent positive deed you can come with for the republican party. speaks wonders for them.
Democrats let 1,000,000 Rwandans die.
Both parties are guilty of ignoring Africa. I don't see Bush Jr. rushing to do anything about the situation in Sudan and the massive loss of life taking place there. I should also mention before some one says "it's because we're too busy with Iraq" that there was plenty of violence happening in Africa prior to 9/11 and America's military adventurism in the middle east.
Re:Obvious? (Score:3, Informative)
So having an agenda on forced redistribution is the test of being liberal or not? Also once again im reading deceptive wording. Using words like "agenda of forced" makes it seem like a minority is forcing a majority to do something. Also im nto even sure what your talking about but I assume you mean policies such as student funding and food banks are "forced redistribution (of wealth)".
But back to your original statement, no my example does not lose all relevence. It was a LIBERAL or if you prefer the word PROGRESSIVE viewpoint that stopped slavery. You seem to have a knee jerk reflex to leftism as it relates to communism which, remember, did not exist in the 19th century.
You are trying your hand at revisionist history and its not working so well. Stop trying to drag modern feelings and pre-conceived notions to a discussion about something that happened in a different time.
Re:Obvious? (Score:4, Informative)
That so many have begun questioning this is a testimony to the effectiveness of recent PR campaigns from those who'd suffer from regulations.
Please don't just take my word for it though. Do the research yourself. Find workers in the field and ask them for their opinion. Find web pages and articles that discredit the theory that humans caused global warming and DO BACKGROUND RESEARCH ON THE AUTHORS. That last point cannot be stressed well enough, as it will reveal a disturbing pattern of vested interests and hidden sponsors.
As an example, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_o
I recommend the book "Trust Us, We're Experts" to anyone wanting to get insight into how the modern PR industry operates.
Ulf Magnusson
Re:Obvious? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Obvious? (Score:3, Informative)
And then there was also this quote:
Oh and those quotes comes from... OH YEAH THE SAME LETTER YOU QUOTED FROM. In fact, here's the full text of the letter [netins.net]
Re:Obvious? (Score:2, Informative)
But on the whole, I do agree with your post. Abe Lincoln's Republican party was "liberal" given certain defintions of liberal. He was also a Blue Stater. Today's Republican party is not the party of Abe Lincoln.
Re:Hello Mr Orwell? Call for you on line 3! (Score:3, Informative)