Ubuntu to Bring About Red Hat's Demise? 435
Tony Mobily has written a thought-provoking editorial for Free Software Magazine that makes the bold prediction of Red Hat's eventual demise at the hands of Mark Shuttleworth and Ubuntu. Calling on memories of Red Hat alienating their desktop user base to focus on their corporate customers and making money, Mobily states that many of those alienated desktop users are also system administrators who now feel more comfortable with Ubuntu and will make the choice to use Ubuntu Server over Red Hat now and in the future.
Re:Uh huh (Score:5, Informative)
But there is a company behind Ubuntu - Canonical [canonical.com]. They offer professional support for those who want it. Of course, Red Hat is much larger, more entrenched and more experienced, but I think that outside of the US the situation isn't as clear cut.
Ubuntu *has* paid enterprise support, people! (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid [ubuntu.com]
Alternatively, has anyone ever actually used RedHat support? *I* wasn't impressed...
Re:As a former long time user of Red Hat.... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Uh huh (Score:4, Informative)
Why I can't switch yet (Score:5, Informative)
I guess I could be saved by utility that analysis the entire set of packages I'd need in order to install a given package on my computer. If I had a utility like that, I could walk over to an Internet-connected computer, download those packages onto a CD-R, and then install them on the computer that can't connect to the Internet. Or.... Ubuntu could start putting together CD/DVD sets that contained a larger fraction of popular packages than they can fit on one CD. Either development would let me kick Fedora out of the picture.
Re:Bologna! (Score:2, Informative)
Well it pretty much happened to me.
I was using Redhat 6, 7, and 8 on my desktop and therefore any servers I installed. A couple of years ago I tried Ubuntu and stuck with it. (Admittedly, I'm a little embarrassed that it has now become so fashionable. But that's not a substantial reason to turn away from something that works and is getting much better by the release.)
Now, my kids run Edubuntu, I run Ubuntu, and any mid-size server I install (which is all I do) is Ubuntu also.
Re:Wrong Target (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Why I can't switch yet (Score:2, Informative)
http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubu
Re:I want to move to Ubuntu (Score:2, Informative)
You may have to go to a console and do "hdparm -d 0
Re:Bologna! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:clueless users (Score:3, Informative)
Pretty myopic view there, muftak. Red Hat was popular because it was so widely available. By widely available, I mean to users who might've otherwise not heard of Linux (or Slackware, or Debian, or whatever). Red Hat makes money on corporate support, so it stands to reason that corporate users are interested in not only what they get in the box, but the support they receive from the vendor.
Not gonna happen (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Bologna! (Score:3, Informative)
I hope someone from Redhat still reads Slashdot and this post.
Red Hat, Centos, Ubuntu, Suse... (Score:4, Informative)
When I call Novell, I talk to actual engineers who can help me, not some dipship $5.15/hr college student who is reading from a queue card.
Generally I agree that RedHat is a crappy product compared to other Linuxes like Ubuntu and Suse. The flip side is that with Novell i.e. Suse AFAIK you don't have a project like Centos, which is binary compatible with the RedHat ES/AS product but is free and you get patches. This can be an advantage if you want to create a test setup for a product has been certified for RedHat ES/AS but are on a shoestring budget and don't want the hassle of dealing with the issues that can arrise if you try to install that same prodcut on Fedora or Ubuntu. Oracle products are a case in point. Installations of Oracle Application server, Database... the list goes on... that go without a hitch on RedHat ES/AS and Centos can be problematic on Fedora. Pracitcally every manufacturer of commercial Linux software certifies his products to work with certain versions of RedHat ES/AS so it is hard to avoid using Red Hat unless you are willing to put in the extra time it takes to debug an installation of your RedHat certified Linux software on an uncertified Linux distro.
Re:Who says... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Bologna! (Score:2, Informative)
Oh, please. (Score:3, Informative)
Yes, because how hard is it to pop open a terminal and type the following lines to solve your problem:
apt-get install gcc-4.0
apt-get install make
apt-get build-dep gnome
There ya go--all the gnome-dev headers, gcc, and make. Just about EVERY program in the Ubuntu and Debian repositories honors build-dep.
Also if the program is already packaged I usually don't need to compile it, so the apt-get command you refered is not very usefull, but it is good to know it exists.
See above. Obviously build-dep would be useful in the very circumstance you mentioned in your previous point.
Re:Bologna! (Score:1, Informative)
But ubuntu did not gave me a choice to install them.
Sure it did. It just didn't give you the choice at exactly the same time as you were used to. Immediately after it brings up the installed desktop, simply launch Synaptic and select the compilers.