Microsoft Acquires Winternals and Sysinternals 471
SJasperson writes "In a move that will be good for Redmond but may have consequences for the rest of us, Microsoft has acquired Winternals and Sysinternals. This gives them well-known developers Mark Russinovich and Bryce Cogswell as well as dozens of well-loved and much-praised utilities, both commercial and freeware. Though Mark says on his blog that the Sysinternals site will remain 'for the time being,' this would be a good time to download the latest version of essential Windows tools like Process Explorer before they can go mysteriously missing or be locked up behind the wall of Windows Genuine Advantage."
Someone (Score:5, Insightful)
In other news (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Seriously? (Score:5, Insightful)
No, he's complaining of being constantly suspected to be a thief by Microsoft, as well as, sometimes, being a collateral victim of malfunctionning paranoid DRM.
Oh Boo Hoo (Score:5, Insightful)
Good for them. Now they get fat paychecks, good bonuses, and they work for the empire.
And I'd bet that if MSFT offered you $$$$ for whatever you were making, and a fat paycheck with good bonuses - you'd be a fool to not take it...
Re:Seriously? (Score:3, Insightful)
The name is also stupid. It should be called "Windows Copy Protection".
You do have a point, though.
Re:Seriously? (Score:2, Insightful)
No longer an independent. (Score:5, Insightful)
Mark's investigations into Windows workings have been very informational and useful over the years. Now that he'll be under NDA and non-compete...
Re:People who don't buy Win* because they use Reac (Score:2, Insightful)
Just in time for Vista... (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm sure with Vista coming out soon that Redmond would love to obfuscate or disappear these utilities that would help let people know what Vista is really doing under the hood.
Re:Seriously? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:I never understood... (Score:3, Insightful)
If some MS exec decides that win.com (or whatever) is protected fine, but leave the utilities and similiar ilk alone. Protecting the world is great at some boardroom meeting, but reality is quite different.
Microsoft as the borg... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Oh Boo Hoo (Score:3, Insightful)
Now, I have no numbers to show, so perhaps it's just that we only hear about/remmeber the bad ones. But let's have a look... we've got the majority of previously great companies EA has bought up and killed, along with their great games, we've got Norton products, for a more obscure one, how about thespark.com?
Re:May I be the first to say....... (Score:5, Insightful)
I am a little concerned about something else. Russinovich has in the past disclosed certain things (like the Sony rootkit) that he may be in no position to let us in on now that he is a Microsoft employee.
Why? (Score:5, Insightful)
Because you chose to run Microsoft software. These are the consequences.
Re:Oh Boo Hoo (Score:4, Insightful)
Admiral Cogswell: Lord Ballmer, the company has moved out of hyperspace and we are preparing too...unk...ack...cough
Lord Ballmer: You and your cogs have failed me for the last time Admiral....Captain Russinovich!
Captain Russinovich: Yes, Lord Ballmer.
Admiral Cogswell: hack....cough
Lord Ballmer: Make ready to deploy our programs beyond their firewall and deploy the company so that nobody can switch OS...you are in command now Admiral Russinovich.
Admiral Cogswell: THUNK!
Captain Russinovich: Thank you, Lord Ballmer.
Re:Seriously? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is sad (Score:2, Insightful)
I suppose a very optimistic person would assume that functions like seing what processes spawned other processes, have files open, have sockets open, etc., will now be available in future Windows versions. I guess I must be cynical, because I'm feeling a sense of loss and sadness. Thanks for the great stuff, Sysinternals.
Re:Someone (Score:2, Insightful)
RAR? In a Torrent!? (Score:1, Insightful)
RAR is only Cargo Cult behaviour. It doesn't prove ANYTHING (anyone can RAR), it means extra programs needs downloading, it means non-free programs on a computer, it means less seeders, it provides almost no space saving (on media), it's a pain when playing media and the torrent format provides all the checksumming and redownloading needed.
It is time to stop using obsolete and freedom-unfriendly software. It is waaaay past time using a format that takes away all the good things about using torrents, especially downloading selected parts first or only.
Oh, and if you absolutely MUST pack files together for a non-torrent reason, use something that is freely (in all senses) available to all people, not just to a select elite. Zip would be favourite, as all modern desktops handle it OOTB.
Thank you.
Re:No longer an independent. (Score:2, Insightful)
Anyway useful tools do escape Redmond from time to time, so hopefully the (Sys|Win)Internals stuff isn't going to disappear anytime soon. Heck it's even possible that they'll bundle it all with the next reskit release. *fingers crossed*
Re:Why? (Score:4, Insightful)
Because you chose to run Microsoft software. These are the consequences.
More likely: His employer chooses to run Microsoft software, and Sysinternals actually makes it tolerable.
Time to count your options...
Re:Seriously? (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh please, please let them do this. The lawsuit would be staggering, and it would probably be Microsoft's XCP in terms of convincing the execs that the whole approach was a massive business liability and should be stopped permanently.
Re:Microsoft as the borg... (Score:5, Insightful)
When Google hired Guido van Rossum (Python head-honcho), there were no "Google is hiring this guy only to NDA valuable information from the rest of us" comments. Everybody understood that Google merely found a bright guy doing something related to their business (Google uses Python on a massive scale) and snapped him up. But when MICROSOFT hires a coupla guys who seem to be doing something cool with Windows, we get dumb comments like "Yet another proof that Microsoft can't behave like a normal market player".
Look, I hate Microsoft as much as the next geek (*more*, probably, as I've been stuck developing exclusively on PCs since DOS 2.1), and I'm sure SysInternals will soon disappear, but comments like "they feel the need to control everything under the sun" just don't add anything to the discussion.
WGA (Score:2, Insightful)
Or, you can actually buy a legitimate license for Windows and not worry about "Windows Genuine Advantage."
Re:Anything SysInternals did was the best... (Score:5, Insightful)
*ahem* Flamebait? Pot, kettle, black.
Somehow, I think that silencing [microsoft.com] SysInternals [microsoft.com] would [microsoft.com] break [microsoft.com] a lot of [microsoft.com] Microsoft's [microsoft.com] links [microsoft.com].
Seriously. I know everybody loves to bash Microsoft, but for God's sake, is it too hard to believe that they honestly want to *gasp* hire top-quality programmers? The sysinternals guys have proven themselves to be top-quality coders. They make utilities that the MSDN knowledge base references 172 times [microsoft.com]. MS developers use Sysinternals tools. They think the Sysinternals guys are smart, knowledgeable about their system, and could add value to their company. So, they hire them.
All this conspiracy about "silencing a website" is crap. They wouldn't recommend the use of Sysinternals tools if they were embarrassed by them.
If Redhat could convince, say, Larry Wall to work for them, doing the projects they want developed, would that be a conspiracy? Larry Wall is a kickass contributor to Linux (via Perl), and he would add value to any Linux-oriented company that could retain him. The Sysinternals guys hold a similar relationship and relevance to Microsoft.
Re:Seriously? (Score:2, Insightful)
You are correct. This is the part we don't know so the rest of your post is irrelevant. What we do know is that one in five of the machines that shows as counterfeit, is not.
Re:Oh Boo Hoo (Score:5, Insightful)
People can live on less money you know. Lots of people with wives and kids manage to live on salaries you would consider insulting.
Re:WGA (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Oh Boo Hoo (Score:3, Insightful)
This is hypothetical, but imagine you make 100k a year (after taxes) as an independent software company owner (this also means you can live in lush and cheap areas, keeping most of that money in your pocket). You are your own boss. There is little or no bureaucracy. You have clear conscience. You can afford pretty much anything you want (within reason, because if you want to purchase the entire earth, you can't afford it, so of course there will always be things you cannot afford, but they are meaningless in day to day life). It's not a life of lack by any means. It's a life of freedom and abundance.
Now, why would you accept a deal to get even 500k a year, but giving up your sanity to bureaucracy and giving up your conscience to the ethical nightmare that is Microsoft? Yes, you can buy a jet or a yacht, perhaps. But who cares? You can time share with less money and get the same experience. You can hire 10 chefs, but you only have 1 mouth to eat. You could donate more money, but the point of that is spiritual, and not measured in raw $$$ donated. In fact, from that point of view, a life of non-accumulation is the highest charity. Giving away accumulations is merely atoning for accumulating so much in the first place. So what exactly is the benefit? There is none.
It takes a only a little wisdom and long term vision to say NO to Microsoft's offer.
Re:Microsoft as the borg... (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe it's just me being cynical.
need a new icon (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Looking for Windows kernel experts... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Seriously? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Amen (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Someone (Score:3, Insightful)
What's wrong with