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Congress Passes Energy Efficient Server Initiative 334

Krishna Dagli writes to mention a News.com article about a just-passed Congressional initiative. On Wednesday the House passed legislation instructing Americans to make energy efficiency a priority when purchasing computer servers. From the article: "Washington politicians voted 417-4 on Wednesday to tell American purchasing managers that it's in their 'best interests' to pay attention to energy conservation. The bill, sponsored by Rep. Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican, also directs the Environmental Protection Agency to conduct a three-month study 'of the growth trends associated with data centers and the utilization of servers in the federal government and private sector.'" Well, at least if they're doing this they're not passing 'real' laws, right?
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Congress Passes Energy Efficient Server Initiative

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  • by Beatbyte ( 163694 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:18AM (#15718556) Homepage
    ...but why is this something our Congress is focusing on? How much time and money was just spent ignoring all the other needs so an oddball like this could get through?

    Why don't they start pushing to have government offices 50% reliant upon solar (or other green power) by 10 years from now?

  • What about cars?!? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Shisha ( 145964 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:18AM (#15718558) Homepage
    Maybe someone should try telling Americans the same thing about cars. To paraphrase the legislation "give high priority to energy efficiency as a factor in determining best value and performance for purchases of cars."
  • Good! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tomknight ( 190939 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:19AM (#15718565) Journal
    Energy efficiency *should* be a *a* priority. Not the top priority, but it does have some relevance. After all, does the cost of the system make a difference? How about the running cost? And then, how about the cost for electricity and a/c?

    I also think that we do have a duty to think about the environmental impact of our actions, but I agree that passing a law to make someone consider this sort of thing is rather sad.

  • good (Score:3, Insightful)

    by joe 155 ( 937621 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:19AM (#15718566) Journal
    It's a good idea to recomend this, it does save money and the ability of a country to prosper has become bound up with it's ability to keep enough energy to do what it needs. I wonder if as well as energy efficiency we will see them pushing for non-fossil fuel methods of energy production on a large scale as well. I the UK a (slightly rigged) energy report suggested that alternative power and energy efficiency could provide great benifits, as well as Blair's pet project, lots og nuclear power.
  • Suspicious timing (Score:2, Insightful)

    by 3dWarlord ( 862844 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:19AM (#15718567)
    I find it interesting that AMD held the energy efficiency crown for the past 3 years and then this legislation gets passed the day Core 2 Duo [slashdot.org] reviews start pouring in. As many of you are well aware, Intel's new architecture has a strong focus on energy efficiency and beats out AMD in this area.
  • by truthsearch ( 249536 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:32AM (#15718645) Homepage Journal
    For large companies energy efficiency is already a consideration because of cost. You can't set up a datacenter without estimating the cost of the electric bill and backup generators. So that makes me even more curious as to why they're wasting time and money on this. Basic economic demands promote energy efficiency in servers.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:33AM (#15718657)
    If you want to improve energy efficiency and reduce the price of oil overnight with little cost, increase the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards. They haven't changed in years, and the average US vehicle fuel economy is the lowest point in more than a decade.

    Mandate a 1 MPG increase by then end of 2007. The cost to the car industry is minimal. A 1 MPG increase doesn't sound like a lot, but a fleet-wide increase of 1 MPG is an enormous amount of oil. Start increasing the CAFE standard by 1 MPG every few years.

  • Desktops (Score:4, Insightful)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:38AM (#15718687) Journal
    Most servers are heavily used. Most hardware-based energy efficincy work by lowering the cycles. The software approach to handling energy on servers is to shutdown a server and move the load over to others. Servers are better handled in the software realm, then hardware.

    Instead, they should be working on desktop efficiencies. Monitors, harddisks, etc can be made a great deal more efficient. In particular, smaller drives (2.5"), in a office, small drives on desktop, with data on a central server, lcd monitors only, minimize the numbers of printers of make them sleep, etc, etc. There are far more desktops than servers.
  • by digitaldc ( 879047 ) * on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:39AM (#15718698)
    This is very good thinking.

    The amount of energy that is conserved by these new servers is clearly a benefit to everyone.
    Now Congress can further this trend by raising auto fuel efficiency standards & provide a myriad of new ways for people and businesses to conserve energy.
  • by lbrandy ( 923907 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:45AM (#15718734)
    Maybe someone should try telling Americans the same thing about cars. To paraphrase the legislation "give high priority to energy efficiency as a factor in determining best value and performance for purchases of cars."

    I know yours is a bit tongue in cheek, however I still must comment on this concept. This is so offensive to me. Don't ASK people to do things that are non-optimal. Don't ask people to make themselves and their business less cost effective. You don't set up a free market, and then ask people to work outside of the equilibrium points "because". Money is just the metric by which we choose to optimize the system. Taxes and tax breaks on things like this exist for a reason... to help account for hidden costs to make the optimal point... actually.. you know.. optimal.

    Congress has the power to move the cost equilibrium (taxes). They don't. They choose to ask you operate to your own disadvantage for the good of us all. Why? Because they are bought and paid for. There are lobbies that prevent them from doing it. So they resort to this seriously ridiculous concept. If you want us to use more energy effecient $THINGS then use TAXES and TAX BREAKS to move the market. Move the god damm equilibrium point so it's cost effective for us to do so. Asking me to operate outside of the cost equilibriums of a free market is basically asking me to risk my own fincial health because you don't have the willpower to risk things yourself. I'm sorry but my retirement/business/kids-college is more important than your re-election. Therefore your "instructions" on how I should spend my money are of no meaning to me. Stand up and make buying energy effecient things cost-effective, and then we'll talk.
  • Blame Bush? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by krell ( 896769 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:47AM (#15718750) Journal
    "Congress might have to talk about the fact that the Middle East is about to descend into chaos due to complete mismangement over the past five years"

    There's a limit to how much you can blame Bush for the fact that Hamas, Hesbollah, and Iran will only be satisfied if the Jews are outright exterminated. There's not much room for negotiation and compromise with these players, and they are large players that can't be ignored. How do you compromise with someone who wants all Jews eliminated? Do you meet them half-way and agree to let them wipe only half out?
  • by OctoberSky ( 888619 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:57AM (#15718824)
    But.... AMD just announced a major Facility in the Albany NY region. Republican Gov who is close to Dubya, two very well known Senators (Hillary & Chuck Schumer), one of the most greedy states in the Union as well as one of the most powerful.

    I am not saying this is why the Legislation is being passed, I am just pointing out that we could easily play both sides.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14, 2006 @10:59AM (#15718833)
    The govt already gives a 30% tax credit up to $2000 for home solar installs (not pool heating), and I believe it's upcapped for commercial. Recently FL started offering a rebate scheme for solar too, but the details are somewhat lacking at the moment. But at least it's a step in the right direction.

    The problem is our attitude. Here in FL, most solar installs are not to heat domestic water, but to heat the pools. We need to be a little less decadent. When I talk to people about these issues, they really don't give a hoot about polution and energy consumption, despite the people being well edumucated and having a good income. Even our power bill being around half of theirs for the same size family and house doesn't make them think that maybe they could actually do something about their consumption.

    Few people actually care, and that's the problem. :-(
  • Peak Oil (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Yonder Way ( 603108 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:00AM (#15718847)
    As oil production peaks while demand continues to soar ever upward, all other industries that depend on cheap oil will suffer. If you're grid is powered primarily by coal, you will find that coal becomes much more expensive when coal mining equipment that depends on petroleum is more expensive to operate.

    It is in our best interests NOW, TODAY to start paying attention to who is wasting electricity.

    Few who have ever worked in data centers can say with a straight face that this is a sustainable business model in light of the looming energy crisis we're about to face.
  • by postbigbang ( 761081 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:03AM (#15718879)
    Energy conservation is a good thing, even if we're all pissed at the state of energy markets today. They've misplaced the emphasis, unfortunately.

    Consider:

    1) All of the brick power supplies we're using that suck energy 24/7 when in use, or not
    2) CRT energy efficiency vs information they give us compared to LCDs
    3) Plasma displays. You can heat your living rooms with them
    4) The state of ACPI and other energy savings initiatives, like EnergyStar jokes
    5) How batteries are polluting aquifers because they're thrown away into landfills, then melt over time into ugly pools of toxic metal concentrations
    6) How computing machinery disposal anarchy pollutes as much or more than #5
    7) Why I have to buy a new set of computers and cell phones and PDAs so often..... and recycle the old ones (sorry, even Linux can't save a 486SX-25 machine)

    This was for the perception that Congress is concerned. Instead, they're demonstrating technology cluelessness once again.
  • by Sloppy ( 14984 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:11AM (#15718945) Homepage Journal
    why is this something our Congress is focusing on?

    Because a bunch of people vote for political candidates who talk about "national energy strategy" and they bitch (again, at politicians) about gas prices. Regardless of whether or not people say they really want a centrally-planned economy, they truly act like they want the federal government to be in charge of energy production, energy use, and energy prices.

    People, if you do want this stuff, then you just have to accept that Congress will pass laws about how much energy computers use, we will have our military forces in the Persian Gulf area, etc. If you don't like it, then tell your government to butt out, and that means voting against any candidate that says they will make energy issues part of their political agenda. Put your ballot where your mouth is.

  • by dafz1 ( 604262 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:11AM (#15718947)
    From the passed bill:

    "Section 1:
    Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, through the Energy Star program, shall transmit to the Congress the results of a study analyzing the rapid growth and energy consumption of computer data centers by the Federal Government and private enterprise."

    In other words, the House wants a study done by the EPA to determine the "rapid growth" and energy consumption of data centers. There were no riders, nothing tacked on to the final, passed, version.

    What's the point? Is it going to stop data center expansion? Is the federal government going to subsidize cooler, more efficient processors or servers? What about desktop machines, or is that a different bill? I can just imagine people in Congress saying, "Lord of the Rings was a good movie, but thank god WETA is in New Zealand, I feel cooler already."*note sarcasm*

    For a country that is so anti-environment(I laughed when I saw the current issue of Newsweek's cover "The Greening of America"), we are wasting opportunities to get on the right track. Our government needs to stand up for the environment, not pass stupid bills authorizing the study of server room temperatures. The four who voted against this bill were right, this "study" is a waste of money.
  • by ehrichweiss ( 706417 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:16AM (#15719007)
    That soo does not surprise me from the man who helped sign into law that a packet of ketchup would be considered a "vegetable" for school lunches. So frenchfries + ketchup = 2 vegetable portions...riiight. And who was surprised that Reagan had Alzheimer's?
  • by amightywind ( 691887 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:23AM (#15719071) Journal
    ...but why is this something our Congress is focusing on? How much time and money was just spent ignoring all the other needs so an oddball like this could get through?

    Be certain that someone like Sun is lobbying for this. They have a power consumption advantage over some of their competitors, but the marketplace doesn't care. Convenient then to have the government mandate them caring.

  • And then (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mmalove ( 919245 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:33AM (#15719171)
    They all drove home smug in their SUVs.
  • by Churla ( 936633 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:36AM (#15719196)
    Maybe they just realized that this was the legislative equivalent of blowing sunshine up someones tailpipe and wanted nothing to do with it.

    I mean really now. A law that suggests that people buy more energy efficient servers?

    Maybe this is congress telling AMD "See, we can pass legislature you will like in your fight agaisnt Intel, if you had paid us enough we would have actually put some teeth in the law"
  • The problem is our attitude. Here in FL, most solar installs are not to heat domestic water, but to heat the pools. We need to be a little less decadent. When I talk to people about these issues, they really don't give a hoot about polution and energy consumption, despite the people being well edumucated and having a good income. Even our power bill being around half of theirs for the same size family and house doesn't make them think that maybe they could actually do something about their consumption.

    Here's the thing: I do give a hoot. A lot of people do. I really want cleaner air and water, a stable climate, and oh yeah, the world economy not to collapse on account of running out of the resources that keep it going. And in fact, I'm willing to make some changes to contribute, no matter how slightly, to these goals.

    But I also really like to swim.

    "Decadent?" Screw that. The whole purpose of civilization is to make people comfortable; else we'd all still be living in caves and scratching for roots and berries. And you can rail against it all you like, but in the absence of an apocalypse, you will never make people give up the creature comforts they feel they've earned. Oh, they may make some changes -- say, walking a little farther instead of driving now and then, or paying a couple cents extra per kilowatt-hour on their electric bill for power generated from renewable sources -- but asking them to give up their cars and swimming pools and big houses entirely? Forget it. It is just not going to happen, nor should it.

    The only way out is through. Better power generation sources, better use of the ones we already have, bits and pieces of conservation here and there (which can add up to a whole lot) ... that's the only way it's going to work. North America, Europe, and Pacific Asia are not going to climb down from their thrones voluntarily; nor are central Asia, South America, and eventually Africa going to surrender the idea of trying to climb up. That's the reality, and I'll say it again, that is as it should be. People want to lead comfortable lives, and the definition of "comfort" keeps getting revised upwards, and it's easy to sneer at this impulse, but honestly I think it's done more for the welfare of the human race than any ideology ever has.

    Maybe instead of criticizing your neighbors as decadent, you could say, "That's a cool heating system you've got for your pool. Ever thought about using it for your house water, too? Here's a Web site ..." Just a thought.
  • by SewersOfRivendell ( 646620 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:48AM (#15719309)
    Whatever else anyone might say about President Carter, he was both (a) absolutely right and (b) truthful at all times. Unfortunately, Americans didn't like it when he told them the truth in 1977:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_en ergy.html [pbs.org]

    Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly.


    Reagan got elected partly by telling Americans he loved them and didn't want them to make any changes like pesky ol' conservation. He 'solved' the energy crisis by mortaging the future -- a typical conservative tactic, unfortunately. Hope the Democrats pull it together and present real opposition before the elections, 'cause we need it.
  • by WeAreAllDoomed ( 943903 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:55AM (#15719404)
    To do roof repairs, but it's not as if Clinton/Gore placed them back up either.

    roof repairs? did it take eight years to repair that roof?

    here is a speech that carter gave in 1977. some of the predictions were a bit accelerated in terms of dates, but there is a lot here that's quite precient:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/filmmore/ps_cr isis.html [pbs.org]

    some quotes:

    "With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly."

    "The most important thing about these proposals is that the alternative may be a national catastrophe. Further delay can affect our strength and our power as a nation."

    "I know that many of you have suspected that some supplies of oil and gas are being withheld. You may be right, but suspicions about oil companies cannot change the fact that we are running out of petroleum."

    "Now we have a choice. But if we wait, we will live in fear of embargoes. We could endanger our freedom as a sovereign nation to act in foreign affairs."

    carter then goes on to provide a plan with ten principles that include conservation, protection of the environment, and development of new sourcese of energy that will be necessary to provide for us in the "next" century.

    the next century is here. wouldn't it be nice if the US actually did that starting 25 years ago?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:58AM (#15719423)
    by mortaging the future -- a typical conservative tactic,

    Completely unlike say Medicare and Social Security, which together represent an unfunded liability to the tune of $200,000 per American. But hey, who's counting ...
  • by lbrandy ( 923907 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @11:59AM (#15719433)
    You clearly don't understand the economics of taxes. Taxes cause a dead-weight loss in a free market economy (read inefficiency). By taxing people who use "energy-inefficient" servers what you really do is raise the barriers to entry into the server market thus raising the prices everyone must pay for servers due to decreased competition. So you want to provide a tax-break for this to offset the higher cost... Where should we get that money? Increase the deficit?? Tax more??

    That's just not correct. Taxes can be used to cover the "hidden costs" associated with certain behavior. That's exactly the point. The enviornmental damage is done taken into account by a pure-free-market. Long term damage of that nature needs to be put in monetary terms (like taxes), to be modeled for and taken account in the system.

    It's pretty easy to tax gas and use the money to give tax breaks to people who buy energy effecient servers. This puts the long-term enviornment damage that is not accounted for in the normal free market where it belongs, and makes the system optimize around a more "correct" cost metric.
  • by F_Scentura ( 250214 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @12:04PM (#15719477)
    Good point, and I think I made a mistake in preemptively mentioning that, but I'm not saying they're "equally as bad". I was just commenting that after whatever repairs were made, it doesn't seem to have been a priority for the rest as well.
  • by smellsofbikes ( 890263 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @12:11PM (#15719531) Journal
    They're wasting time and money on this because they think that a non-binding declaration that "Apple Pie Is Really Great (and November's only a few months away)" is a little too obvious. Proposing and voting on bills that nobody in their right minds would vote against during election season is an age-old (as in Roman-era) tactic, especially when there are so many more dangerous, difficult, controversial issues that can be postponed by this kind of action.
  • Re:And? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @12:35PM (#15719742) Homepage Journal
    "It could, especially if politicians voted to end the ban on drilling in ANWR..."

    Not to mention the bans on drilling off the east and west coasts of the US, and around the Florida area.

    We've had it offshore of LA for decades...time for the other states to allow drilling off their shores, and hold up their fare share of the energy obligations to the whole country.

    Hell, most of the reason we got flooded so badly (aside from the incompetent Corps of Engineers poor levy building), was the loss of all our marshlands due to channels cut into them for ships and pipelines that caused our natural hurricane barriers to erode away.....

    The Gulf coastal states have done their part and sacrificed for the energy needs of the US..time for more states to pull their share..allow drilling and refineries to be built on YOUR land and coasts....

  • I disagree (Score:2, Insightful)

    by krewemaynard ( 665044 ) <krewemaynard@@@gmail...com> on Friday July 14, 2006 @12:53PM (#15719943)
    If chips use less power, then it's likely we'll see more chips being used. If anything, just as much, if not more, electricity will be used. Same with gas--greater fuel efficiency does not necessarily mean lower demand. It could also mean more driving, since it would be more cost effective.

    Either way, Congress can't do anything other than screw things up. The market has figured out that power-gulping chips are hurting its bottom line, so chip makers are making more efficient chips. Congress had nothing to do with that. The next step in chip design should likewise be dictated by what consumers want and are willing to pay for, not by politicians. Anything they do to "help it along" will muck it up.

    So no, it doesn't matter...at least, not in the way you imply.
  • Re:And? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by statemachine ( 840641 ) on Friday July 14, 2006 @04:03PM (#15721278)
    I respect your article referral, but the reference only speculates on future gasoline usage and omits empirical data. For at least the past several years (and likely longer) gasoline usage has increased in California or remained the same year over year -- taxable revenue has always increased.

    Here are my references:

    Fourth Quarter 1999, 3.71% increase in gasoline usage [ca.gov]
    Fourth Quarter 2004, 29% increase in service station sales including gasoline (PDF) [ca.gov]

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