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Virus Trackers Find Malware With Google 113

Posted by Zonk from the bug-hunters dept.
Casper the Angry Ghost writes "Malware hunters have figured out a way to use the freely available Google SOAP Search API, as well as WDSL, to find dangerous .exe files sitting on thousands of Web servers around the world. Queries can be written to examine the internals of web-accessible binaries, thus allowing the hunters to identify malicious code from across the internet." From the article: "We're finding literally thousands of sites with malicious code executables. From hacker forums, newsgroups to mailing list archives, they're all full of executables that Google is indexing. About 15 percent of the results came back from legitimate Web sites hijacked by malicious hackers and seeded with executables."
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  • do no evil, rat out evil (Score:5, Interesting)

    by yagu ( 721525 ) * <yayagu@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:29AM (#15698349) Journal

    This raises Google's "no evil" equity significantly. Any mechanism to sniff out, identify, and hopefully proactively take measure to protect against the evil that is the web and its sinister demographic is a good thing.

    So, Google takes the "do no evil" a step further and calls evil out.

    There is a quote from the article I don't quite understand,

    "While we do not believe that the fact that Google is indexing binary file contents is a large threat, this is further evidence of a rise in Web sites being used as an method of storing and distributing malicious code," Websense said in a research note announcing the experiment.

    Is there some potential badness that Google is indexing binary file content? What might that be?

    • Re:do no evil, rat out evil (Score:5, Interesting)

      by mrxak ( 727974 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:37AM (#15698430)
      It's not really Google that's doing it, it's Websense using a Google tool.

      In any case, the only thing I can figure about the quote is that Google indexing these sites helps to spread the malware around. Somebody could type in "l337 hax0rs hax" and end up at a malware site.

      • Re:do no evil, rat out evil (Score:4, Insightful)

        by ZachPruckowski ( 918562 ) <zachary.pruckowski@gmail.com> on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:45AM (#15698515)
        In any case, the only thing I can figure about the quote is that Google indexing these sites helps to spread the malware around.

        Only if you're looking for it in the first place (like if your a hacker). It doesn't affect Joe-Average.
        • Well that's what I mean. This is all speculation on a not-so-clear quote, but it sounded like that by indexing these websites, it was making these malicious sites available to those who would use them for evil. But again, he was saying that this was not really a concern.

          I really have no idea why this was included in the article at all.

          • I really have no idea why this was included in the article at all.

            For 'balance'. Duuuuhhh!

          • Well, having seen spammer message boards, and based on the descriptions most anti-virus companies or researchers post, it seems unlikely that this'll be bringing new virus code to hackers (since they can already get info on almost anything already exploited), it's mostly just effectively telling everyone where pre-existing viruses are.
          • I think a nice quote from Spiderman will suffice: "With great power comes great responsibility." Google can either use this info to warn users of potentially harmful sites, and to warn system administrators if there is a malware problem with their server. Google could even go so far as to temporarily take sites infected with malware out of their search listings until the server is cleaned up.

            On the evil side, google could just make it easier for people to gain access to malware. I think its probably g
        • You're assuming it's labeled as malware, and not just on one of those pages that aren't actually porn that google returns when you're searching for porn.
      • Would have modded this funny but I must be tired because my sarcasmo-meter is not working.

        Somebody could type in "l337 hax0rs hax" and end up at a malware site.

        Surely if that is the query then they *want* to end up at a malware site?

        (O.K. Feel free to follow up with the "whoosh" comments now). :-)
      • Somebody could type in "l337 hax0rs hax" and end up at a malware site.

        You know, in Alaska, they have a joke about how one is goes about hunting Polar Bears.... 'just go out there, they will find you.'

      • Somebody could type in "l337 hax0rs hax" and end up at a malware site.

        http://www.google.com/search?q=l337+hax0rs+hax [google.com]

        too right, some of the results are humorous

        (2nd page)

        Is Your Son a Computer Hacker - Comments - Page 1
        sooo in other words... i must be a "l337" hacker because as a magic 8ball says ... what Flash really is, or is 75% of all companies of THE WORLD, hax0rs? ...
        www.adequacy.org/stories/hacker.comments.page.1.ht ml - 887k - Cached - Similar pages

        N074H4x0r ... I'm no Hacker
        The B3atles Were Hax0rs.

    • Re:do no evil, rat out evil (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself in giving Google credit for this. It's not like creating an interface for malware hunting was intentional on their part...

    • Re:do no evil, rat out evil (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jc42 ( 318812 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @12:10PM (#15698730) Homepage Journal
      Is there some potential badness that Google is indexing binary file content? What might that be?

      The computer industry does have a nasty history of "shooting the messenger" when malware is reported. People really don't want to know that their machine has been compromised, especially if it implies lax security on their part. They routinely react by firing or prosecuting the people who do anything to pinpoint security problems like this. We can expect to read stories of threats against people who use this Google feature to find security problems.

      The obvious explanation here is the old "stupidity rather than malice" saying. But this might not always be true. When someone in authority attempts to punish someone for exposing a security problem, you should probably assume that they understand what they're doing and have a motive for their action. It's likely that some of those with the authority to punish messengers are doing so because they don't want the problems exposed, for reasons of personal (or institutional) profit.

    • Indexing these MAY be exploitable (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ratboy666 ( 104074 ) <<moc.liamtoh> <ta> <legiew_derf>> on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @12:11PM (#15698744) Journal
      The idea is to code the exploit in such a way that Google extracts the exploit itself as the content description in the index. This probably gives 200 bytes or so for the entire exploit (maybe more, I don't have time to try this stunt right now).

      The idea is to put up useful content into the web site, along with the exploit. Google will index, and when the target searches google, the code will be injected into the search results.

      Of course, this needs hacking; both trying to figure out what google will allow in the content section, and to find a browser exploit that can be exploited.

      Just sayin...

      Your point of trust (as the target) is your browser. Which means ONLY open source browsers should be used. Those, at least, are controllable as to the exposure and behaviour when being delivered content.

      Ratboy
      • Interesting until the reared its ugly head.

        Ratboy, you not making sense with this: Your point of trust (as the target) is your browser. Which means ONLY open source browsers should be used. Those, at least, are controllable as to the exposure and behaviour when being delivered content.

        Most users who are 1) not programmers or 2) are programmers but have no familiarity with a particular browser source tree, don't have any more control over how content is handled by the browser with the exception of usi
      • Well, I guess Google wouldn't return raw binary excerpts in an HTML results page in the first place.
    • Not sure what you are saying there ... Let's say a researcher uses a microscope to find a very deadly bacteria/virus is the miscroscope company to blame for the find? Google is in the same position. The best thing they can do is to stop indexing sites with such content. But then where do we stop? Who decides what is malicious and what is not? Placing a prominent warning on search results may help google users avoid such sites. But then Google is the loser - it's the same effect as placing gruesome images on

    • Re:do no evil, rat out evil (Score:5, Insightful)

      by pclminion ( 145572 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @01:02PM (#15699144)

      So, Google takes the "do no evil" a step further and calls evil out.

      Drop the stupid melodrama. Google is a mechanism for searching for strings of bytes inside other strings of bytes, and prioritizing the results according to certain algorithms. "Calling evil out?" You're insane. I suppose the ANSI C function strstr() is also a Wielder Of The Sword Of Righteousness?

      Is there some potential badness that Google is indexing binary file content? What might that be?

      How about the RIAA using it to locate caches of MP3 files? It's plausible that a person might have personal backups of their music collection (or *shock* music they purchased on iTunes) and accidentally have those files on a public web server. (Or they could be pirates -- the point is, the technology is not "good" nor is it "evil").

      • It's plausible that a person might have personal backups of their music collection (or *shock* music they purchased on iTunes) and accidentally have those files on a public web server.

        I can't imagine how somebody would accidentally upload their music collection to a public web server.

      • Is there some potential badness that Google is indexing binary file content? What might that be?

        How about the RIAA using it to locate caches of MP3 files?

        You mean like hundreds of people do every day?

        It's plausible that a person might have personal backups of their music collection (or *shock* music they purchased on iTunes) and accidentally have those files on a public web server.

        Having the files on a publically accessable directory? Maybe. On one you can browse over port 80? That seems kinda unlikely.

        And

    • I guess one idea would be, for example, to offer an I'm-feeling-lucky URL that points to your malware binary. Since the URL points to Google, it would seem safe for the non-tech-savvy.

      But as I understood it, the binary search is not available in the common search (only through APIs), so I guess this isn't really a problem. And if it were, Google could disable automatic redirection to executables.

    • Google can serve you context-ads while you downloading ISOs.

  • SOAP? (Score:5, Funny)

    by breckinshire ( 891764 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:29AM (#15698359) Homepage
    Google SOAP Search API
    Is there anything that the Snakes on a Plane Search API can't do?

  • Correction (Score:5, Informative)

    by BRSQUIRRL ( 69271 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:30AM (#15698363)
    That's WSDL [wikipedia.org], not WDSL. I felt really stupid for a moment trying to figure out what the heck WDSL was.

  • What Are They Taking About (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    What is a *.exe? Never seen that kind of file on any of my three operating systems. Good, one thing less to worry about.
     

  • So wait... (Score:3, Funny)

    by Skynet ( 37427 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:30AM (#15698376) Homepage
    Google is connecting to the whole Internet to fight a global virus infection?

    MY DAY HAS COME!!! MNMUAUAUAU!

    EXECUTE? [Y/N] _

  • Little did you know (Score:4, Funny)

    by neonprimetime ( 528653 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:32AM (#15698383)
    About 15 percent of the results came back from legitimate Web sites hijacked by malicious hackers and seeded with executables

    Little did you know, even /. was hijacked! But the /. masses were not affected because the executables don't run on linux!

  • SiteAdvisor (Score:2, Insightful)

    by torunforever ( 930672 )
    Is this similar to what SiteAdvisor [slashdot.org] is doing?
    • could be. I've tried out SiteAdvisor. Though, I don't quite care for the FF or IE extention, it's still a neat site. And yea, you can punch in any site URL to that page, and get a summary. Though, not everything is "ranked"/analyed yet. And yea, it allows analyzing downloads too. for example, http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/last.fm [siteadvisor.com]

  • Web Site Contact (Score:3, Interesting)

    by RetroGeek ( 206522 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:41AM (#15698471) Homepage
    I hope the authors are planning to contact the affected site owners. The article did not mention this.

    They could also build a list of these sites to periodically check them to make sure the malware files have been removed.

    And it would be nice if they allowed a search facility so some FireFox/SeaMonkey plugin could check to see if that site you are going to has malware installed.

    • Re:Web Site Contact (Score:3, Insightful)

      by badfish99 ( 826052 )
      Given the current state of the law, it is really dangerous to contact a site owner and tell him that his site is insecure. It is quite likely that you will be prosecuted for "unauthorised access" to the site.

      Much better to just add the site to your personal list of things to avoid, and then forget about it.

      • Re:Web Site Contact (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Billosaur ( 927319 ) *

        Given the current state of the law, it is really dangerous to contact a site owner and tell him that his site is insecure. It is quite likely that you will be prosecuted for "unauthorised access" to the site. Much better to just add the site to your personal list of things to avoid, and then forget about it.

        Which doesn't help the rest of us. And why should a site owner get all bent out of shape if you tell them something they didn't happen to know? They must not be in direct control of the site or are

    • Re:Web Site Contact (Score:4, Interesting)

      by jafiwam ( 310805 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @12:53PM (#15699058) Homepage Journal
      Actually, what would be cool is a plugin that can do searches in the background (maybe based on urls linked in a page being currently viewed) and put up an automatic block or popup for the user to know that the link has malware.

      Or maybe a system to allow automatic DNS cache injection (on my own DNS client) to prevent lookups going to the correct (infected) site.

      Once sites realize that big parts of user base is cutting them off premptively, they'll take notice and get rid of the crap so they can get users back.
      • try looking at opendns.com - just set your internet connection to use their DNS servers and you get pretty much what you're describing. you also get a much faster DNS lookup due to their purportedly massive caches.
    • Exactly! I was wondering how to use this tool to scan my own website for bad critters.
    • I hope the authors are planning to contact the affected site owners.

      Given the fact that websense sells a product to block users visiting different websites, I believe they will use the data for their products database.

  • This has... (Score:2, Funny)

    by Joebert ( 946227 )
    ... worlds dumbest criminals written all over it.

  • Securing the Search Engine? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Alamoth ( 927972 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:41AM (#15698479)
    It seems to me that the possibilities for uses of this application of SOAP would be highly beneficial. My initial thought would be the ability to filter your Google searches so that websites that are potentially carrying MalWare are either flagged or not shown at all.

    The 15% of sites that are reputable sites being attacked are the biggest threat. These are probably websites people visit often, and people should be warned. Perhaps even web browsers such as firefox and i.e. could incorporate the API into a toolbar and warn users before a dangerous site loads.

    My only question is how long does it take for the API to verify the potential threat of a webserver? Is it fast enough for these applications to be feasible? No one wants to wait for their websites to load.

  • How to (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mailspam ( 988188 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:46AM (#15698525)
    Search on google for something like signature:00004550 inurl:exe
    Then, click View HTML
    • Sure, that'll get you Windows .exe files, but most of the ones I see with that query are common downloads like Cygwin's setup.exe or the Perl installer or FileZilla's installer. What other sorts of keywords would you add?

      • Well, for example, one might search for the binary string BAD403B80001EF, which would find you i386 video driver code, specifically a subset of that which is for older PIO-based cards with an additional nonstandard CRTC register at index 0x100.

        Specific enough?
    • Which gets you all Portable Executable files. How do you search for particular executables, for example to search for known malware? (Known malware that isn't polymorphic or in a packer, but virus scanners have the same problem).

      • Re:How to (Score:3, Informative)

        by Opportunist ( 166417 )
        Well, a lot of current malware is binary (mostly) identical in most of its variants. There are (sadly or luckily) few of the "old school" virus writers around anymore that take their time to carefully craft polys, so you have a decent chance that if you have a sample, you get an idea of its spread.

    • Re:How to (Score:2, Informative)

      by MrVictor ( 872700 )
      Google can also filter results by file extension. eg: filetype:exe

  • Just be careful when clicking the search links... (Score:5, Funny)

    by jbarr ( 2233 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:48AM (#15698541) Homepage
    Though it may be obvious to most, if you execute the Google search, don't just start clicking on the returned links, because the links point to virus-infected files. Our Trend Micro Office Scan immediately caught several viruses after clicking on several links...

  • Well, malware *writers* can do the same (Score:3, Interesting)

    by iamacat ( 583406 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @11:50AM (#15698567)
    Sniff everyone's servers for vulnerable binaries and do targeted attacks instead of random IP scans.
    • The binaries you can find through Google are not the binaries the server is running on, it's the binaries it offers. Can be quite different, considering how many PE binaries exist on server that should actually run ELF ones.
  • Why would anybody have .EXE files on their webservers? .EXE's don't run on Unix.
    • Why would anybody have .EXE files on their webservers? .EXE's don't run on Unix.

      Um, so that Windows users can download them, maybe?

      Just a guess ...

    • Because BSD is dead?
    • A windows exe won't run on Unix, but you can name your unix executables whatever the heck you want, including .exe. I do this all the time for ease of portability (Java interface/network code with an external C program to do the heavy lifting, named whatever.exe on both Windows and Linux to save having to edit the Java source) and to visually flag the executables when I ls on a black and white terminal.
  • I'm sure I've seen plenty of legit sites using a .cgi scheme where for some reason there's .exe in the URL. Will these be flagged as malware?

    Random example: https://www.thawte.com/cgi/server/status.exe [thawte.com]
    • No. Two problems with that: One, that type would not return as a binary executable (aka download and run), it'd return HTML or the like. Two, they're looking for malicious programs (or, more likely, using Google to search for the actual malicious code in them.) If they were looking for all executables then they'd have to sift through every file on shareware sites, SourceForge, etc.

  • Hmmmm.... (Score:3, Funny)

    by cdr_data ( 916869 ) on Tuesday July 11, 2006 @12:27PM (#15698878)
    Does it include NTKERNEL32.DLL in the list?

    Cdr. Data
  • Does anyone have sample google syntax used to search for a site that would be susceptible?
    I have a few friends that run small sites and would like to check.

    -flipsoft
  • "exe files"? How they will affect Linux? I heard lots of about "Linux viruses" or "Linux malware", when I will be happy to see them instead just reading about them? What kind of serious people use Windows anyway?
  • ...is anyone planning to create a trusted blacklist server and an extension for utilizing it in (say) Firefox?

    • Re:So... (Score:2, Informative)

      by mozkill ( 58658 )
      the new firefox 2.0 beta will query the Google blacklist... its built into the browser and you can enable it by just checking a checkbox in the browser settings...
  • After years of script kiddies auto hacking buggy web software via google its about time someone does some white hat stuff.
  • In case you want to try this at home, presuming you're on a MacOS X box and you've got your own free API key from Google, you can easily access the Google API SOAP service using Anthracite Web Mining Desktop toolkit [metafy.com]. Combine it with AppleScript and you're off to the races making your own automated searches. In addition to the Google API interface, there's also a generic SOAP source object for accessing any other SOAP services you want to try. Several examples are included with the download, like how to buil

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