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Lens That Writes on Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray 289

morpheus83 writes "Ricoh claims they have developed an optical component that reads and writes all disk formats -- Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, as well as DVD and CD -- with one pickup and one objective lens. The component is a 3.5-mm diameter, 1-mm thick round diffraction plate with minute concentric groves on both sides which function as a diffraction grating. Based on disc information the drive can identify which format disk is loaded, Ricoh's optical diffraction component adjusts the laser beam with its diffraction grating for each format and passes it to the objective lens."
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Lens That Writes on Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray

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  • Price (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Chrismith ( 911614 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @02:37PM (#15687538)
    So, if Blu-ray players are expensive as hell, and HD-DVD players are also expensive (though not quite as much), wouldn't a player that combined the capabilities of the two be even more expensive? Unless these things can be produced relatively cheaply, then this isn't going to be the answer to the format war.
  • Re:cool. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by celardore ( 844933 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @02:48PM (#15687574)
    Sorry I was hungry and paranoid about security, so I was thinking of cookies.
  • Oh dear (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Mwongozi ( 176765 ) <slashthree.davidglover@org> on Sunday July 09, 2006 @02:49PM (#15687587) Homepage
    This is only going to make it more likely that both formats will survive. I would really rather prefer that one of the next-gen formats dies off - I don't really care which one.
  • by Rachel Lucid ( 964267 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @03:05PM (#15687638) Homepage Journal
    Virtual monopolies are needed (especially in formats) to help consumers eventually.

    PCs took off because Windows provided an equal format for everyone.
    Apple thrives in spite of this monopoly by maintaining its own monopoly through its OS, regulating everything in order to keep quality high and survive as a 'niche' demographic just as concerned with design and appeal as they did utility. Having a virtual strangehold on internet music helped too.

    The only place where these 'format wars' have had even minimal success have been in game consoles, because they were largely seen as competing factions to a toy, instead of a 'universal medium' like office software or movies. If we get back to the point where we only have a couple of key consoles (I predict Nintendo will successfully splinter off, leaving the main war between MS and Sony), so much the better for game programmers.
  • Re:hurrar (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Roguelazer ( 606927 ) <Roguelazer@nOSpam.gmail.com> on Sunday July 09, 2006 @03:12PM (#15687673) Homepage Journal
    Reprased: Watch as sales of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players go from approximately 0 units to approximately 0 units
  • by Proudrooster ( 580120 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @03:16PM (#15687687) Homepage
    Once again an elegant technological solution has emerged. Unfortunately a device that is encumbered with the licensing of both DRMs (Bluray/HD-DVD) would be cost prohibitive to the consumer. Anyone have an idea on how much it would cost a manufacturer to license both Bluray and HD-DVD, assuming this was politically possible, which it probably isn't.
  • by epp_b ( 944299 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @03:40PM (#15687747)
    Companies should not be allowed to "own" formats. Eventually, they will be broken anyway. It's inherent with technology that if something is hidden or secret, it can and will be cracked (don't you remember what your mom said? There's always someone smarter than you).

    Formats should be open and standardized. Eg.: Microsoft should not be allowed to monopolize the market by locking in users to their Office formats; and likewise, the media industries should not be allowed to screw over their own customers by creating formats that are designed to be combative against those customers.

    Just imagine how many decades we'd be ahead in technology if things worked this way.
  • Surprise? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by NineNine ( 235196 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @03:59PM (#15687798)
    It's no surprise, which is why I don't even care about digital format wars. Eventually, somebody ALWAYS starts combining them all together, so a few years after adoption, everything supports everything. DVD players that you can get in the grocery store for $49.99 play audio CD's, MP3 CD's, DVD single layer, DVD dual layer, DVD +R, DVD-R, DVD +RW, etc. Hell, My $100 PS2 does even better than that.! (I use My PS2 exclusively for entertainment. Love how easy it is.) As long as there's no physical difference in the format, the digital differences amount to just a few lines of code, which ends up being very cheap to combine on a tiny chip, even after those licensing fees. As long as the media doesn't physically change, there will be increasing convergence all of the time. Eventually, those cheap players that you can get at Wal-Mart will read HD, Blu-Ray, OGG, and WMA's. Just give it time. It'll happen.
  • by icebrain ( 944107 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @04:07PM (#15687817)
    It's just like the "format wars" in general aviation:

    High wing vs. low wing
    Trigear vs. taildragger
    Production vs. homebuilt
    Pattern entries (45 vs. overhead vs. extended downwind vs....)
    Towered vs. non-towered fields

    and so on...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 09, 2006 @06:00PM (#15688068)
    So hey, did DVD+R or DVD-R win after? When you buy media, do you buy +R, -R or the cheapest at the time? Do you even know? A multi-purpose setup makes different formats transparent to the end user. What if HD-DVD wins and Sony decides to play BS and releases something that you *have* to see as a blu-ray exclusive? Wouldn't you like your "play everything" player then? I know I would. This is a good thing. Don't try and spin it otherwise.
  • Who Cares Anymore? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by pjludlow ( 707302 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @10:26PM (#15688687)
    I've tried to keep track of this "up-and-coming" format war for quite a while now. I used to favor Blue-Ray quite a bit as it just makes sense to pick the format with the biggest capacity in my opinion. However, I could really care less anymore. I predict there will be no "real" winner. If I, a Slashdot reader and computer nerd, don't care about HD-DVD or Blue-Ray anymore do you think the average consumer will? I highly doubt it. There is no huge convenience factor that sets apart either new format as a must have for consumers. Blue-Ray and HDDVD are glorified DVDs without much benefit over that of what everyone has now. More resolution? Big deal. More DRM? Yeah, that will be a big selling point... I compare the movie industry to the music industry a lot. I feel the music industry goes through what the movie industry will down the road in a decade or so. Let's take a closer look. Music: Cassette Tapes -> CDs (Many benefits such as noticeable higher quality and jumping to any track you want instantly.) CDs -> SACD, DVD-Audio (Slightly perceivable better quality but both have never been successful in any way, shape or form.) CDs -> Online Downloads (Very convenient, instant gratification, maybe not better quality but that doesn't seem to matter.) Movies: VHS -> DVDs (Many benefits such as noticeable higher quality and jumping to any track you want instantly.) DVDs -> BlueRay, HD_DVD (Slightly perceivable better quality but both "will not be" successful in any way, shape or form.) DVDs -> Online Downloads or On Demand (Convenient, and somewhat instant gratification.) By the end of the decade I see much more progress being made to having home movie servers (media PCs, whatever you want to call them) where all y our movies are stored and you can access them much like you can with music now with programs such as iTunes. I see myself personally gravitating towards this sort of use already. I once thought that HD-DVD or Blue-Ray would do much better in PCs for backup purposes, but as has been said by others the greater capacities are not keeping up with what is needed now. For me to back up my almost full 250 GB hard drive it is easier for me to just by a new larger drive and transfer everything to it while keeping the old one as a backup somewhere. So long for being useful Blue-Ray or HD-DVD. Unless you come out at a cost lower than DVDs I don't see either of you getting far.
  • Re:You PC users (Score:3, Interesting)

    by steve_bryan ( 2671 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @03:15AM (#15689491)
    All they did was steal from Xerox.

    That same tired old canard trotted out one more time. There is the legalistic answer about deals made and licensing arranged but a more significant recounting of that piece of history is that Apple hired the scientists and engineers from Xerox PARC, like Alan Kay, Larry Tesler and others. This put them in a company that actually had a clue about what was required to accomplish their goal which led to the Lisa and Macintosh. Of course you may be of the opinion that these individuals should be viewed as indentured servants of Xerox who had no right to use ideas that were the property of their former pointy-haired bosses at Xerox. Different stages of personal computing were invented three separate times at Apple: Apple ][, Mac, and OSX (NextStep in Mac drag). That is a remarkable record of creation and it is just some high points. For example both HyperCard and QuickTime could arguably be considered. Another easily overlooked act from the past was that Apple was one of the petitioners to the FCC to allow for unlicensed spectrum that eventually led to WiFi. What the heck, let's not overlook FireWire.

    They're not quite in the same league as IBM as far as fundamental contributions (hard drives, relational databases, various Nobel prize researchers, etc) but Apple is no slacker as you would imply. Now for having so little awareness of the history involved, you should go over to the corner and sit quietly.
  • by RobbieGee ( 827696 ) on Monday July 10, 2006 @04:22AM (#15689662)
    Maybe someone would have to compose a disc with a few free cool videos from the net (like the crazy retro-baby-pirate-kung-fu video from some months ago) that one could hand out for free. The discs would every now and then warn the user that the operation s/he tried to perform is permitted, but could easily have been stopped. Then a quick rundown of exactly what in "their" players would permit the *real* owners of their player/media to stop them from using the media they legitimately aquired. I suspect there'd be no trouble displaying a warning that "The time is now 15:27. We *could* stop you from watching this between 12:00 and 20:00 if we wanted. Beware of DRM! Booooo!" - or something similar.

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