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Lens That Writes on Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray 289

morpheus83 writes "Ricoh claims they have developed an optical component that reads and writes all disk formats -- Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, as well as DVD and CD -- with one pickup and one objective lens. The component is a 3.5-mm diameter, 1-mm thick round diffraction plate with minute concentric groves on both sides which function as a diffraction grating. Based on disc information the drive can identify which format disk is loaded, Ricoh's optical diffraction component adjusts the laser beam with its diffraction grating for each format and passes it to the objective lens."
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Lens That Writes on Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray

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  • I smell a hoax. (Score:1, Informative)

    by Avillia ( 871800 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @02:38PM (#15687544)
    Considering what a nice leap-forward in tech this is, Ricoh mysteriously says nothing about it in a press release or on another, more reputable site.
  • by BlowChunx ( 168122 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @02:43PM (#15687556)
    ...and when that dedicated licensed device dies or breaks? Then what?

    Most consumers will get bit by DRM, but only after the fact when it is too late.
  • by Cochonou ( 576531 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @02:48PM (#15687578) Homepage
    This kind of multi-numerical aperture diffractive lens has already been used in several DVD players for CD compatibility. As an example, check out this link [pentax.co.jp].
    Notice that you do not only need different numerical aperture lenses to read every format, you also need to generate lasers of the proper wavelengths. There are several solutions for this, but the easiest is to use three different laser diodes.
  • by ivan256 ( 17499 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @02:52PM (#15687599)
    Ricoh is not the firm I expected to announce such a gadget first


    Actually, dispite what the misleading headline would like you to believe, this isn't the first to read both HD and BluRay, and TFA doesn't make that clam... It's the first to read both, and read CDs and DVDs too with a single head. That's the tricky part, as CDs and DVDs use a different wavelength than HD-DVD and BluRay. Prior to this, if you wanted backwards compatability, you needed a second lens.
  • Re:What's The Point? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Babbster ( 107076 ) <aaronbabb&gmail,com> on Sunday July 09, 2006 @02:58PM (#15687620) Homepage
    BluRay has the full support of every movie company.
    No, it doesn't.

    BluRay has the support of computer OEMs.
    A couple. Most are riding the fence, committing to nothing.

    BluRay has Sony putting them in the 100+ million $499 and $599 PS3 that are going to be sold over the next five years.
    Which will only be important if people feel the PS3 is worthwhile, and if it doesn't cause other Blu-Ray manufacturers to jump ship because Sony is taking away their sales with the PS3 loss-leader.

    It's worth noting that while all the currently available next-gen disc players available so far have problems, the $1,000 Samsung Blu-Ray players seems to be the worst of the lot. It's also fairly important that both Toshiba and RCA are already selling their HD-DVD players for half the price of the Samsung unit and the forthcoming Sony Blu-Ray player. Finally, there are more HD-DVD titles on store shelves than Blu-Ray so far.

    Personally, I'm still in wait-and-see mode, but your assertion that HD-DVD is already dead is premature at best.
  • by shaneh0 ( 624603 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @03:43PM (#15687753)
    It's not the COST of the second lens, it's the SIZE. That's why the article summary boasts of the compact size of this solution. There isn't a lot of extra room available, especially in small form-factor drives.
  • by NutscrapeSucks ( 446616 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @04:39PM (#15687885)
    > The only place where these 'format wars' have had even minimal success have been in game consoles

    Somewhat. Usually a single console "wins" in every generation. The secondary consoles either die, survive in a niche (Nintendo) or require masssive subsidies (MS, Sega).
  • by John Miles ( 108215 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @04:47PM (#15687903) Homepage Journal
    Incorrect. The Supreme Court said that the definition of a "limited time" was up to Congress. DRM that's based on strong encryption doesn't just take control of IP out of the consumer's hands -- it takes control out of Congress's hands as well.

    100 years from now, no act of Congress is going to make it possible to play a BluRay disc if, by some unlikely chance, the media consortium gets the encryption right this time. When access to a work remains blocked after the expiration of its copyright term, the publisher will have failed to live up to its part of the copyright bargain.

    In short, when Congress passed the DMCA, they willingly gave up their ability to enforce the limited-time clause in exchange for payoffs from industry lobbyists. The Constitution doesn't permit them to do that, and (inexplicably, IMO) the courts have never ruled on that point.
  • Re:hurrar (Score:2, Informative)

    by Teppic_52 ( 982950 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @05:42PM (#15688016)
    You seem to have described refraction [wikipedia.org] there, not the 'spreading' effect of waves when passing an obstuction or aperture known as diffraction [wikipedia.org].
  • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @05:42PM (#15688017) Homepage
    Once again an elegant technological solution has emerged. Unfortunately a device that is encumbered with the licensing of both DRMs (Bluray/HD-DVD) would be cost prohibitive to the consumer. Anyone have an idea on how much it would cost a manufacturer to license both Bluray and HD-DVD, assuming this was politically possible, which it probably isn't.

    Well, the protection system (ACSS, which has nothing to do with CSS except in name) is the same, except Blu-Ray added a few extra bells and whistles. Also, you should only need one license per codec (MPEG2, H.264, VC-1) since they're the same. Any basic blue-laser related patents may also be the same. However, you may have to pay any other patents twice. It might happen, it might not... DVD+/-R recorders don't seem to cost an arm and a leg, for example.
  • Re:Price (Score:3, Informative)

    by Cecil ( 37810 ) on Sunday July 09, 2006 @06:50PM (#15688190) Homepage
    No they aren't. Most optics are refractive, which is the bending of light by passing it through a medium of a different density (a glass lens). Diffractive optics [canon.com] bend the light using diffraction gratings, which are tiny apertures about as wide as the wavelength of the light itself. By the combination of traditional refractive and new, expensive diffractive optics, chromatic aberration can nearly be eliminated. This is what is implied by a lens that has "diffractive optics". The elimination of chromatic aberration is one (of several) "holy grail" goals in the design of lenses.

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