Opera Seeks Developer Input For Opera 10 387
taskforce writes "Opera Watch is reporting that the folks Opera Software are asking web developers for input on what they think the most important features are which could be added into the next version of the Opera desktop browser. Considering what has been added in Opera 9, what do you think would be most important for the browser from both a developer and a user standpoint?"
Extensions (Score:5, Insightful)
From a developper point of vue (Score:5, Insightful)
Still no Opera topic in Slashdot (Score:5, Insightful)
Adblock (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Niggling (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Extensions (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Adblock (Score:5, Insightful)
I know you can do something like adblock with Opera, but it doesn't even compare with firefox's version.
What's missing? Right-click on the page, select "Block content", and the page gets greyed out, with the blockable items highlighted. Click on everything you want to block, and it automatically sets up wildcard rules to block those ads. That's easier than Firefox's Adblock.
Integration. (Score:4, Insightful)
Well... (Score:2, Insightful)
I would use Opera instead of Firefox if it was free (as in speech)
Re:Combining HTTP w/ BitTorrent (Score:3, Insightful)
Well, the "challenge" would be to have a tracker that you can access for those HTTP downloads, and also the tracker would have to (have a companion system that would) download the file first so it can hash it.
This means only "popular" downloads would be worthy of this, as any other download wouldn't benefit from anything... you HAVE to have some seeds online or else it's useless... and probably having Opera's tracker also double as "last seed" would break a few copyright laws.
There are a lot of other issues here, so basically UNLESS most companies get away from the "we host stuff on HTTP" mentality to "we HTTP host the
Only one thing needed (Score:3, Insightful)
Internet Explorer is great because it allows the user to remove stupid buttons, move around the menus and so forth, making the browser only one length thick on top. That's great if you want more space for viewing web sites and such. I personally prefer compact applications. When I look at Opera, I don't see that. I see a lot of cool stuff but I don't really need most of it and would prefer to add these nifty things once that I need them.
Re:Adblock (Score:4, Insightful)
Blocking obtrusive ads is justified. Blocking any other ads is not. Did you ever stop to think who's going to pay the bandwidth costs of sites that depend on income from ads? The more popular a site is, the more incredible bandwidth fees they pay (popular sites can't use free hosting, mainly due to their bandwidth needs, etc). Without ads, sites like SourceForge.net or Slashdot.com would have to charge everyone for reading or die too. Think twice before blocking unobtrusive ads. Mass selfishness could bring many popular free sites to an end.
Re:Extensions (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Extensions (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Integration. (Score:4, Insightful)
Some suggestions from an Opera user (Score:2, Insightful)
More customisability should be given. For example, we should be able to make our searches from the search box open in a new tab, in the foreground or in the background. The back button should work with middle-click so that we can open previous pages in new tabs without losing the current one. Middle-clicking should also work with bookmarks in the drop-down list.
2) Adblock
The current content-blocking in Opera is much inferior to Firefox's adblock extension. I like to right-click directly on a unwanted ad and choose to block it, then be able to modify the blocked link immediately using wildcards for comprehensive filtering. In Opera, the entire screen is blanked out, and then you have to scroll through the page and shift click on each ad you don't want. If you want to modify the blocked link, you have to go through a few additional steps.
3) Scrolling
The scrollbar shouldn't become nearly invisible when I try to use it. Also, when scrolling using middle-click, I would like the scroll cursor to stay where I left it, rather than jump right into the middle of the page in a disruptive fashion.
4) Search
Opera should emulate Firefox and allow the search box to open at the bottom. Currently the search box opens right in the centre and blocks a significant portion of the screen, making it even harder to see highlighted words. Also, it would be nice if each search engine had their own icon graphic, so you can see at a glance what search engine you want. Currently search engines like wikipedia don't have its own icon in Opera's search bar, even though it has it in Firefox's.
5) Bookmarks management
Bookmark management in Opera is confusing. A "create new folder" option is not immediately apparent, and instead is buried among the right-click options. It also took me very long to find out how to add bookmarks to my personal bar (the only way I know of currently is drag and drop, which is quite a clumsy way of doing it).
All in all, I really like Opera and find it far smoother and faster than Firefox. Firefox trumps Opera in terms of the features provided by its extensions. However Opera can catch up with Firefox even if it does not want to implement extensions - it could just implement features from popular extensions.
My list (Score:2, Insightful)
2. Trails when performing mouse-gestures.
3. Beagle support http://beagle-project.org/ [beagle-project.org].
4. Privacy-mode (No records are kept while enabled).
5. Strict-mode (While enabled pages have to be perfect to be displayed).
6. Native Look-And-Feel.
Re:I find firefox more configurable (screenshot) (Score:2, Insightful)
It's an argument over like 16 pixel lines of >1024. It's stupid. Really, it is. I just can't take it seriously that a) it can matter in the real world (improving readability), and b) someone would actually want to turn their GUI into widget-soup by combining button widgets and menus in the same 'line'.
If this is a deal-breaker for you guys, alright, but it't can't be taken seriously as something worthwhile to fix. I especially liked that comment about my request for a server-client response tab being to esoteric. Cause yeah, I can see how all users are freaking out over the in-ability to cram buttons into the menu row to save themselves one row of text out of fifty or so.
(Finally, in that screenshot much of the miniscule difference is due to the theme on the Opera installation. Find one which isn't so "fat" and you'd be down to Firefox height, without the widget-soup!)
Re:Faith-based UI, instead of ease of use? (Score:3, Insightful)
Wait, isn't that what you're asking? You want it to follow the rule IE invented, instead of being easier to use.
At the least, I don't see how pressing down instead of tab is harder, and this has the advantage that I can still use tab to switch to the next UI control (is there a way to do that in IE/Firefox?)
I think it's a bad idea to have to duplicate IE's behaviour just for the sake of it. And elsewhere people have been criticising Opera for not following UI standards (though they fail to explain what), so either way, it can't win. If Firefox followed a standard and did things better, but Opera did things the IE way, there'd be people saying Firefox was better, and laughing at the suggestion it's better to be like IE.
Re:The Opera company is mismanaged in three ways: (Score:3, Insightful)
Firefox's success has to do with marketing, plain and simple. Firefox had a major marketing push, as a completely free browser. Opera could obviously never reach as many users as Firefox since it was adware/payware.
Opera's mistake is not the UI at all. Rather, it is the failure to do a major marketing push when everyone was looking at an alternative to IE, and while Firefox wasn't finished yet. Firefox came almost exactly at the right time: While everyone was focusing on IE's shortcomings, especially regarding security.
Not at all. Simply press the down key on the keyboard. So, wrong. Huh? Opera is making more money than ever! Most of Opera's income has come from mobile phones and devices for several years now anyway. So, wrong. It was $39, and you are just one single person. Most people do not want to pay for a browser. This is vague nonsense. I've already demonstrated that you are wrong about why Firefox is more popular than Opera, and shown that you are not representative of most users. Wrong, and also irrelevant. Firefox doesn't even have any tech support (unless you pay $50 or so per incident), and yet it's more popular than Opera. So, you are contradicting yourself. Well, I've shown how you are the one talking nonsenseRe:Only one thing needed (Score:2, Insightful)