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The $899 Educational iMac 483

Valthan writes "Macsimum news has just released news about a new version of the iMac that is being touted as an educational machine. It seems to be a nice setup, and has the cheapness that us university students strive on, I think they just may have a winner here to get people on the Mac. Now if only JCreator worked on it ..." From the article "Featuring a 17-inch widescreen LCD display, the iMac for education includes a Combo drive for burning CDs and reading DVDs, 512MB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM memory expandable up to 2GB and hard drive storage capacity up to 160GB. Every iMac also includes a built-in iSight video camera, built-in 10/100/1000 BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet for high-speed networking, built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11g WiFi for up to 54Mbps wireless networking, a total of five USB ports (three USB 2.0) and two FireWire 400 ports."
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The $899 Educational iMac

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  • 5 USB ports? (Score:3, Informative)

    by chasingporsches ( 659844 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @08:38PM (#15663969)
    that's a bit misleading. it's at most 4, considering that two of them are on the keyboard that must be plugged in via USB, and really 3, if you consider that you need the mighty mouse plugged in to use the machine (since it doesnt have bluetooth), and so that takes up another (probably one on your keyboard). so you're left with one 1.1 port on your keyboard, and two 2.0 ports on your imac unless you get a hub.

    granted, i have an imac g5 that has the same USB setup, but i just don't like misleading advertising. (although its not really advertising, but i digress.)
  • by hlimethe3rd ( 879459 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @08:45PM (#15664007)
    Granted, for a lot of educational uses this doesn't matter, but I still feel obligated to point out that your 2.8GHz P4 puts out twice as much heat and is about half the speed. So the comparison isn't quite fair on specs, though it may be for usage.
  • by Pinky3 ( 22411 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @08:45PM (#15664011) Homepage
    17-inch widescreen LCD
    1440x900 resolution
    1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor (1)
    512MB memory (2x256MB SO-DIMMs)
    80GB Serial ATA hard drive
    24x Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW)
    Intel GMA 950 graphics with 64MB of shared memory
    ($899)

    The regular entry level iMac comes with
    17-inch widescreen LCD
    1440x900 resolution
    1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor (1)
    512MB memory (single SO-DIMM)
    160GB Serial ATA hard drive
    8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
    ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory
    Bluetooth 2.0
    Apple Remote
    ($1199)

    You save $300, but give up Apple Remote, bluetooth, ATI Radeon, 80GB of drive space, and the SuperDrive.
  • by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportland&yahoo,com> on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @08:51PM (#15664035) Homepage Journal
    is it silent? built in web cam? video editor? A nice UI?
    And the dual core out performs the AMD 2.2.
  • by fatwreckfan ( 322865 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @08:57PM (#15664052)
    Unfortunately it's not available in Canada apparently. I called the Apple Store and they couldn't tell me if it would be eventually either. It's a shame.
  • by Wildfire Darkstar ( 208356 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @08:57PM (#15664055)
    College students want a cheap but stylish machine, yet they don't want to lose their "gaming" functionality. It could be a perfect marriage.

    Except that, as even a modest gaming rig, it's entirely uninspiring, largely thanks to the graphics chip. As the GMA 950 lacks support for things like T&L and vertex shaders, it's not going to cut it for most modern games. And since it draws from main system memory, the fact that the system is shipping with only 512MB (even granted the fact that it's expanadable to 2GB) is going to be a problem, as well. It seems extremely unlikely to me that this is going to set anyone's world on fire. It certainly won't bomb, but I don't really think it's going to expand much beyond the original eMac niche.
  • Dude... JCreator? (Score:2, Informative)

    by jungwirr ( 249169 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @09:01PM (#15664074) Homepage
    Hello? Eclipse?
  • Yes $899 is cheap. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Savage-Rabbit ( 308260 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @09:08PM (#15664109)
    Cheap for a uni student? I certainly didn't have that sort of money laying about when I was at university.

    /got my computer for 50 bucks
    //i didn't ask where it came from...


    It seems like a rather good deal to me, that offer is actually cheaper than the computer I bought when I went to university. I spent almost every cent I had on that thing including the money meant for buying books. The school books I checked out of the library or borrowed off my friends then I photocopied them for a fraction of what they would have cost to buy and had the resultant stack of A4 paper bound in a spiral binding. The Software was uhummm... well borrowed.... I could never have afforded to buy it back then, even with student discounts, and yet it was more or less a requirement to have expensive word processing software and even massively expensive software like Autocad since the teachers didn't just place importance on content and academic achievement but also the way the reports and assignments were finished and laid-out and they lowered the grade automatically for what they judged to be clumsy and unprofiessionally laid-out reports or assignments. The school claimed that they had enough computers in their labs to cover all the student's needs but that was of course complete crap. At the end of the term the labs were packed and having your own computer could make the difference between finishing your big end-of-term assignments/reports or flunking out. What sort of machine you have to buy depends very much on what you are studying. I suppose you could get away with buying some older-than-your-granny Pentium II laptop at scrap value if you are a philosophy major and only need to run Office 95 or Windows ME but If you are an engineering student something of the caliber of this machine is pretty much an entry level requirement these days.
  • by gelfling ( 6534 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @09:21PM (#15664164) Homepage Journal
    The Lenovo N100s (notebooks) have some mods that come in at $900; dual core, 1GB RAM, CDDVD. 15.4" screen. They come in around $900 give or take.
  • by DurendalMac ( 736637 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @09:25PM (#15664179)
    Our University has over 700 Macs and upgrades varying labs every few years. We were looking at replacing some old labs with Core Duo Minis, but this is actually cheaper as we don't have to buy LCD displays for them and get more and better features. No need to buy a new keyboard and mouse, too.
  • Re:899 is cheap? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Wdomburg ( 141264 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @09:57PM (#15664306)
    How much is tuition these days? 20K-35K? not to mention living expenses are probably another 10-20k.

    Harvard costs about $38k including tuition, fees, room and board. Most people aren't going to ivy league schools.

    Cost is going to depend heavily on area, but the local univeristy here (University at Buffalo) you looking at more like $6K for tuition and fees and housing starts at about $4K. And there are colleges you can go to with tuition and fees well under $4K for the year.

    And this all ignores the fact that most people don't for college while they're going. It's typically going to be some combination of grants, loans, scholarships, and money from parents or trustfunds.
  • by jpellino ( 202698 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @10:02PM (#15664332)
    This is primarily a replacement for the eMac, aimed at the educational insitutions. We've been running a dozen iMac G5 iSights for the past year, and what they've left out to get th prioce down are largely not going to be missed.

    - this will drop the HD capacity (schools don't generally load up boxes with the photos and songs that end users do)
    - drop the remote (you can drive FrontRow from the keyboard)
    - 20" (for students in a lab up close, 17" is plenty big)
    - bluetooth (not a big deal in a classroom)
    - graphics for gamers
    - DVD burner (as long as you have one or two of these per lab, you'll do fine)
  • Re:Cash (Score:5, Informative)

    by samkass ( 174571 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @10:06PM (#15664348) Homepage Journal
    Try checking out http://www.apple.com/financing/ [apple.com].

    You can get what is essentially a Mastercard with no annual fee and an APR somewhere between 13.5% and 22.5% depending on your credit rating, with no interest for 90 days after purchase. If you've got good credit, this pretty much amounts to the same thing you got. If not, good luck finding financing anyway.
  • by JourneyExpertApe ( 906162 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @10:15PM (#15664390)
    Most college students (who are the people this ad was targeting) can get a legal copy of Windows XP Pro from their university for around $20. And, yes, most Linux distros are free.
  • Re:A bit spoiled? (Score:4, Informative)

    by be-fan ( 61476 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @10:16PM (#15664394)
    In most schools, owning your own computer is required. A lot of schools these days give a "computer ownership" tuition credit on your first semester. I went to Georgia Tech for undergrad, and IIRC, we got $1500 for a new computer.
  • by Wdomburg ( 141264 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @10:17PM (#15664396)
    Dell includes Word Perfect for free, Hewlett Packard includes Works, Gateway includes Office, etc. If your building yourself, you can get Microsoft Works for about $18, or Works Suite (which includes a full version of word) for about $70 or just download OpenOffice.

    And of course, since we're talking the educational market, you can also snag a full academic version of office for $120 (or less, since a lot of campuses negotiated larger discounts).
  • oops (Score:3, Informative)

    by commodoresloat ( 172735 ) * on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @10:25PM (#15664422)
    Here's [apple.com] my intel-based mini.
  • by Ohreally_factor ( 593551 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @10:53PM (#15664544) Journal
    What part of "back then" don't you understand? (Some of us graduated from college before Linus took a stab at building OSes. Where was OO.o then?)

    And what part of engineering student needing a CAD program didn't you understand?

    The poster was speaking of his own experiences and you accuse him of lying? His experience sounded pretty believable to me.

  • Comment removed (Score:2, Informative)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday July 05, 2006 @11:23PM (#15664638)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Re:5 USB ports? (Score:2, Informative)

    by MadEE ( 784327 ) on Thursday July 06, 2006 @12:17AM (#15664872)
    It has been awhile since I have bought a mac but when I did the keyboard had 2 ports on it. One for the mouse and one to make up for the port you lost.
  • Re:Cash (Score:4, Informative)

    by Zhe Mappel ( 607548 ) on Thursday July 06, 2006 @02:59AM (#15665348)
    Try checking out http://www.apple.com/financing/ [apple.com].

    While you're at it, run the numbers through an online credit card calculator.

    Assuming the 22.49% APR and a 3-year payoff, the total interest on a financed $899 iMac is $338, or 37% above the store price.

    Now your $899 iMac costs you $1,237.

    Ain't credit grand?

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