Sony To Go From First To Worst? 224
There have been many analyst predictions in the early days of the next-gen consoles, but rarely have they been so direct. DFC Intelligence President David Cole has gone on record saying there's a very real possibility Sony could lose this leg of the race to Microsoft and Nintendo. From the article: "Sony's clear strength is the first factor: brand strength and current market position. The glaring weakness of the PlayStation 3 is price, especially when compared to the competition. However, it is more than just an issue of whether the PlayStation brand strength can justify a premium price. Of course, Sony would like to point to the hardware horsepower and extra features like Blu-ray. The problem is that is only one factor in our forecasting matrix. Furthermore, with the competition having features like Xbox Live and the Nintendo Wii controller, the PS3 may not have that much of an advantage in the elusive 'Wow Factor.'" 1up Editor Sam Kennedy has further musings on this subject, with Next Generation reporting that there may be a problem getting high yields in the PS3 production process.
Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:5, Insightful)
Pure Fun: Nintendo
FPS/Action: Microsoft
RPG/Story: Sony
Each of the big 3 attracts these types of games to their console because that has been what sold the console in past. Nintendo also get a nudge towards innovation and niche, as well, but until the Wii comes out, that nudge isn't strong enough to make someone buy their console.
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2, Interesting)
By RAW SPECS:
Genesis was stronger than the SNES,
N64, then Dreamcast > PS1
GameCube & X-Box > PS2.
Gameboy DS. - The DS is still outselling the PSP in every territory, and is practically a cultural phenomenon in Japan where it, (and the DS Lite) is currently outselling the PSP about 8:1
Also as far as games they do cater to 3 different Market Segments (at least in thie generation) and It's not X-Box is teh 133
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2)
Oh goody!
Only in terms of CPU power. Everything else in the box was less powerful.
N64 competed with PS1; it had better graphics and more CPU power, but less storage. Again, stronger in some areas, weaker in others. It's a wash.
Dreamcast was intended to be a next-generation console. It flopped because Sony announced a supposedly more powerful console, and they gave bald-faced lies about its specs. People avoided bu
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2)
Genesis was stronger than the SNES,"
Small nitpick: The Genesis had a faster main processor. It ran at 7mhz while the SNES ran at a little under 4. The SNES had a graphic chip built in that wiped the floor with the Genesis GFX-wise. The end result was that the SNES's graphics were a lot better than the Genesis'. I don't think this affects your point too much, though, because Nintendo had a terrible time fighting against Sega in that round. Sega had the less powerful machine, but still mana
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2)
The SNES also had a much better synthesizer and sound generator. While not as immediately noticable as graphics, audio quality has a huge effect on the subconcious feel of games, something not to be overlooked. Seeing that a large number of very prominant games in that generation relied heavily on building a particular ambiance (Super Metroid and Final Fantasy VI, just to name a few), this gave the SNES a huge advantage.
Also, the graphical command set was much more sophisticated in the SNES. You had psued
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:5, Interesting)
Spoken like a someone with an *excellent* grasp on computer hardware.
Tell me, where did you learn that? On PS2 and XBox forums?
Let me let you in on a secret: The Gamecube and XBox hardware are really *very* close to each other in performance, with the Gamecube having better multi-texturing and the XBox having shader support and *slightly* better polygon crunching performance. The PS2 isn't even close, hardware performance wise, to either system. If you'd like details, there are plenty of reviews out there by people more knowledgeable than yourself. If you'd like proof, LOOK AT RESIDENT EVIL 4 AND METROID PRIME, to name just two of the best looking games to come out during this console generation.
And here's where I give Nintendo props: They managed to cram an extremely elegant, efficient, powerful system into a tiny $200 box. Microsoft did produce a 'superior' system, but it's more than twice as big and 50% more expensive.
The Wii looks to be another engineering marvel, if they manage to fit the amount of power they've promised in the form factor that they've previewed. The XBox 360 is another beast, and it could probably double as a fucking hair dryer even when doing something as simple as watching a DVD.
(Note to Sony and Microsoft: The only major heat-generating component that gets into my stereo cabinet is my Denon receiver. I don't have any desire to add active cooling to cover up your engineering mistakes.)
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2)
Like you mentioned, this didn't turn into a perceptable advantage for Nintendo in practice, as the different architecture and graphics hardware made up for the CPU's shortcomings. To me, it seems like nintendo's hardware is just *barely* fast enough to keep up with the competition, whic
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2)
Actually, considering that the PowerPC can do a lot more with lower mhz, I'd say they're pretty close. I don't disagree that the XBox is faster. I'm just disagreeing that it's "obvious" and that the XBox "wins hands down." How are the pipelines? How is the memory? It's possible that in
PowerPC is generally a better system (Score:2)
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2, Informative)
In fact, one thing to consider is that after Nintendo produced the Gamecube in association with Art X/ATI and IBM, Microsoft and Sony choose to use IBM for their CPU, and Microsoft choose ATI to produce their GPU; the performance/cost of the Gamecube was unbeatable.
Now, the general public doesn't know too much
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2)
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Pure Fun: Nintendo, Sony
FPS: PC
Action: Microsoft, Sony
RPG/Story: Sony
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2)
I'll buy that, except for the third item. If "Action" belongs to MS and Sony, then what do you call Zelda and Metroid? Aren't they "action adventure games?" This is the genre that Nintendo practically built its name off of.
And RPG/Story, no doubt the last two rounds have gone to Sony, but we shall see about the next. The few RPGs that made it to the GCN were VERY strong (Skies of Arcadia & Tales of Symphonia being quite possibly some of the best of the generation), and MSs future is looking very stron
Re:Its only a battle for the second place (Score:2)
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The Problem is ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:The Problem is ... (Score:2)
Still way too expensive...
PS3 a computer (and my car is a spaceship) (Score:2)
Re:PS3 a computer (and my car is a spaceship) (Score:2)
there should be some definition, something like it's only a computer if you can write and run your own code without needing a licence.
Re:The Problem is ... (Score:2)
Customers who want a computer, will get a PC or Apple. There's no software for PS3 and quite a while before there will be any, except of expensive games.
Customers who want a console, will avoid the "computer".
Customers who want a media center, will do away without the "computer" feature.
Target audience of this product is null.
Re:The Problem is ... (Score:2)
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I don't even know where to start...
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try this one on for size... (Score:2)
This is why I hate analogies... (Score:2)
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Re:try this one on for size... (Score:4, Funny)
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and twisting the analogy even further, Nintendo still managed to walk away with the trophy since they actually made a profit on consoles.
MS came second in the final but most of their players left the game as cripples.
Sony was pleased with their victory, and then Ronaldo-style sat back and got really fat.
Re:try this one on for size... (Score:2)
Re:try this one on for size... (Score:3, Informative)
Actually, in terms of total consoles sold, that's not correct. You can do the search for yourself, but here's one link to a wikipedia article on the console wars [wikipedia.org] which includes total worldwide sales numbers. The relevant set for your comment is:
In addition to that, the Xbox number is from December, while the PS2 and GC numbers are from March, suggesting that the Xbox number is act
Re:try this one on for size... (Score:2)
Re:try this one on for size... (Score:2)
Sure, but not before I checked out their sources, which are listed at the bottom of the article. All you need to do to find out that your Xbox number is absolutely incorrect is go look at Microsoft's quarterly investor report from last quarter. It explicitly mentions having an installed base of 24 million Xbox (version 1) consoles (it's on slide 14 of the deck). So even if your GameCube number is right, Xbox is still
Re:try this one on for size... (Score:3, Funny)
You see, the Oakland Raiders are just like the Neo Geo whereas the Washington Redskins are more like 3DO...
Wouldn't surprise me.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Wouldn't surprise me.... (Score:2)
They will have to do it faster than that!
Sony isn't worried (Score:5, Insightful)
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What I don't understand... (Score:5, Insightful)
Instead they say the same Lies they said when defeating the dreamcast, and release a slightly more powerful but not in any significant way PS3 to fight the XBox at pushing twice the price (in the UK) a year later.
But this time we know that Sony is dicking us around. It won't go well for them.
P.S. I haven't ignored the Wii - I just don't believe it relates to these two machines anymore. Thankfully - which will hopefully means more people will give nintendo a chance this time round.
Re:What I don't understand... (Score:2)
Re:What I don't understand... (Score:2)
Expensive CPU, expensive blu-ray... They just put lots of very "edge" hardware, meaning the assembly lines have to be paid back.... Cell is "first of a kind" and the first batch must be helluva expensive...
I totally understand you - and of course you are correct. I don't want to start a stupid argument about stats, on fanboyism - but for all that extra cost there seems to be no significant gains. At best it will be the difference between the Xbox and PS2 but the other way around - and as this gen shows, t
Re:What I don't understand... (Score:2)
Actually, there IS a way how PS3 could still win: Several really GREAT games making it worth buying despite the price. But that's not going to happen. Ookami alone won't save PS3 and the rest of the games is crap.
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Lifetime (Score:2)
Just compare consoles to PC's to see how quickly they become obsolete. During the hype before launch they consoles all seem like super machines capable of trashing the humble PC but as launch date nears the PC looks better and better and at launch a game PC will easily outperform a console.
The x-box showed it most clearly because it was a
Re:Lifetime (Score:2)
Re:What I don't understand... (Score:2)
But, the upcoming PS3 does have exactly or slightly less power than the Xbox 360. At least, according to every analysis and benchmarking I've seen.
The only thing delaying the PS3, and driving up the price, are CPU yields and Blu-Ray drives. Overall this is still a console whose design was finalized around the same time as the Xbox 360.
Isn't this news a little old? (Score:3, Funny)
Note to forecaster. (Score:5, Interesting)
The only numbers I need to see are MSRP and release date. I concur with your assessment. Kiss my DVD loving ass BluRay.
As a PS2 and GameCube (Not to mention the PCs) owner (and potential XBMC buyer) I will not purchase the PS3. Let me count the reasons why.
RootKit
console Price
RootKit
MemoryStick
RootKit
MiniDisc
Betamax
Game Price
RootKit
RumbleLess Controller
About the only thing that interested me was linux. But damn I can build a pretty beefy linux box for the cost of just the console.
Oh, and did I mention the RootKit thing?
Re:Note to forecaster. (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course, the big question concerned price. 90.29% of the surveyed feel the PS3 is too pricey, compared to just 9.71% who feel that it's priced just right. One developer commented, "It's more expensive than my rent."
Wow, I need to get a summer home in Japan.
Re:Note to forecaster. (Score:2)
To equate, it IS selling for $999 in Australia.
In japan, ¥70000 a month can easily get you an apartment, and in Australia $250 a week (most rentals here are priced per week or fortnight, dunno why) can get you a small 3 bedroom HOUSE, or a large 2 bedroom house, for rent.
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Screw that. you could buy a pretty beefy linux box for significantly less than the cost of the console, or buy a core-duo mac mini if you're so inclined, and take advantage of the software that comes with it.
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Wiktionary : Noun hissyfit 1. (informal) An overreaction; a tantrum; a spell of shouting, anger or hysteria.
Stating my purchasing intentions and why can hardly be considered a hissyfit.
If I were alone in my opinion, you might have a point, look around at the current crop of PS2 owners and their plans regarding the PS3. Spend your cash how you like. Use Windows servers, buy Sony PS3s and Apple Ipods. Just don't expect sympathy. You GET what YOU
You can't solve for both x and y in terms of neith (Score:4, Insightful)
There's more than these gaming factors that's going to contribute to how Sony places. The HDDVD market will influence this as well. One of the primary functions Sony seems to have planned for the PS3 is market penetration for its Blue-Ray player. They've sacraficed things like cheap price and possibly even earlier release to include the Blue-Ray player. If the HD format war doesn't flop out; it could become an important factor as those who what HD have to decide if the PS3 with Blue Ray or Microsoft with an accessory HD DVD (or internal HD DVD for the 360 if you think like Toshiba: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3151889 [1up.com]) This have anywhere from a huge to an insignificant effect on what the Console war. It really is more of a Great Home Entertainment War rather than a format war and a console war; they are well intertwined.
Or atleast, they will be. I speculate that the Format side of the GHE War will slog along in a prolonged sitzkrieg for a year or even more before it starts to pick up as more consumers finally migrate (slowly) along to HD. With the sitzkrieg on the format front, Sony's Blue Ray justification for its price will languish; costing it valuable ground against Microsoft's established console (which I might mention consumers may enjoy not having HD DVD costing them up front when they don't need it yet; they can upgrade on their own terms, possibly cheaper than buying Blue ray before they need it.) Once the Format front picks up, the Console side will invigorate to as Sony's console will likely have come down atleast some, becoming a more economic competitor. That's the Great Home Entertainment War solved for X in terms of Y.
But, as I said, you can only solve for X in terms of Y and vice versa. It's really anybodies guess what the effect Blue Ray and HD DVD will have. Then their is the Z factor...Nintendo. But, I've already talked about what possibilities Nintendo can have, both on consoles and on HD Formats http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=188332&cid=15
Sony's running by the wrong strategy (Score:3, Interesting)
Good hardware
Compatibility with the PS2
BluRay
Now, looking back to the PS2, we see similar factors, and the PS2 was a huge success. But with a very important difference: The PS2 was WAY cheaper than the (inflation adjusted) equivalent of 600 bucks.
The target audience for a consumer device costing 600$ is very distinct from one costing about 200-300. Instead of the young players market, you'd have to target hardcore gamers and people who can and will spend 600 without too much effort. And most of all, the PS3 will need its "Halo": A killer game, a 'must have', a signature title that makes you WANT to buy that PS3.
BluRay is cute, but useless as a selling point. First of all, the format war is far from being decided. And, let's be honest folks, how many of you got the PS2 as a cheap replacement for a DVD player? I know nobody who has a PS2 and no other means to play DVDs, more importantly, better (especially considering sound quality) alternatives? So BluRay will certainly NOT be a selling argument, unless there are no BluRay-only players out there by the time the PS3 comes along that are cheaper than 600. And, frankly, I would NOT get a player that only plays one format (I wouldn't get a player for either of those DRMcrippled formats, but let's assume I'm a movie junkie for now). Murphy's law predicts that, when you side with one of the format contestants, you side with the wrong one. So people will play it save and wait for players that can deal with BluRay and HDDVD.
Without the 'must have' game, people will stick with the PS2 'til the PS3 is cheap, if they already have PS2 games. If they don't, they might turn for Nintendo (if they don't want to spend much money) or the X360 (if they do). Price is definitly no selling argument for the PS3, and the X360 is already out. If someone didn't have PS2 games and wanted a top level console, they already bought a X360.
The 'geek factor' does also not play in favor of Sony. Too often the news about Sony are not really geek friendly, their MD-Recorders (that couldn't export the recorded sounds sensibly), rootkits in audio-CDs, not really something that works in their favor. Sony is about to become 'uncool', too. And I've noticed a significant decline in quality over the last few years.
So the only chance I see for the PS3 is a 'killer application', something that makes you want a PS3. Without, I'd guess people would turn to Nintendo or Microsoft.
Re:Sony's running by the wrong strategy (Score:4, Insightful)
You've missed the biggest selling point. Every title/developer that made the Ps1 and Ps2 the most successful consoles of all time is still on board for the Ps3...nobody's jumped ship and there are more exclusives than you think. If you enjoyed FF, Gran turismo, Metal Gear, Shin Megami Tensei, Shadow of the Colossus, etc...guess which system you have to buy to keep playing the games you enjoy? for a LOT of people (especially if those people are in japan) there IS no alternative to the Ps3, since certain franchises and genres just won't show up on the 360 or the Wii.
Prices come down over time. The Ps3 is being launched aiming squarely at the early adopters and hardcore fans that were paying $600 and $700 for a system on ebay, only many, many more of them as sony's install base is substantially larger. As price drops occur, more casual fans will come on board. This is the way console launches ALWAYS go.
also, the Ps3 doesn't NEED a "halo." Microsoft had TWO and they were still utterly, totally crushed last round. The titles they DO have (or are expected to have) are more than sufficient.
BluRay is hardly useless to those like myself for whom DVD is insufficient on our television sets. for me and other early adopters I'm curious to see what it can do. As for the Ps2, I was in retail at the time it launched stateside in 2000 and there were a LOT of people who used the Ps2 as their primary (or only) DVD player. As player prices came down out of the stratosphere and into the $99 and $50 range, this became less common. Plenty of houses have 2 or 3 DVD players including consoles.
Blu-Ray won't go exactly the same way as it's in a different stage of its lifecycle than DVD was when it launched, but even those who have never heard of it but might want a Ps3 will more than likely buy or rent a disc just to see what the fuss is about if they have access to an HDTV. The Ps3 exists just as much to push the Blu Ray format as vice versa.
Price isn't usually an issue for early adopters ESPECIALLY during holiday season, as the buying frenzies on ebay for the Ps2 and 360 prove. Those machines were going for easily double MSRP. And if someone enjoyed the games the Ps2 had to offer and wanted a "top level" console, they sure as hell wouldnt just "buy a 360" as the franchises they like aren't likely to appear there. (especially, once again, if said gamers happen to live in japan)
Re:Sony's running by the wrong strategy (Score:2)
Final Fantasy was for Nintendo in the begining, there are still Final Fantasy games made for Nintendo, and if Wii is succesful I'm confident there will be more.
Metal Gear was also a Nintendo title, and twin snakes for example exist for Gamecube.
A lot of the "You can't play this game on Gamecube"-titles exist for it (Just using that as an example since I know what exist and Gamecube is probably the most underrated system of them.)
Also if the titles are g
Blu-ray will win this battle (Score:2)
The reason is not movies, even DVD is good enough for that. The huge capacity is meaningless in a movie, if human eyes can barely perceive the difference. We are a decade away from cheap HD TV sets. For other reasons is not better to have blu-ray in a console than HD-DVD or simply DVDs. The extra content is just more cut-scenes.
I see Blu-ray winning this battle by replacing DVD drives in computers
Re:PS3 killer games (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course, I say this knowing that the easiest way to kill off the PS3 would be for Bungie to release Halo 3 the same day the PS3 launches, although I'm not sure if it'll happen or not.
There's only 1 way I'll buy a PS3 (Score:2)
So Sony can come first, second, third, or...? (Score:3, Funny)
Several? Er, there's two other scenarios besides Sony comes third. Sony comes first, or Sony comes second.
Unless they're also factoring in the 'Sony gets trampled by Godzilla' and 'the Phantom rules all with its version of Duke Nukem Forever' scenarios.
Re:So Sony can come first, second, third, or...? (Score:2)
pointless when it's gonna sell out anyway (Score:2)
And still (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Sony boycott (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Sony boycott (Score:2)
Damn typical / herd. The FIRST post on this story is someone declaring they would not buy it because of rootkits.
Re:Sony boycott (Score:5, Funny)
Happily for Sony's Investors, the PS3's pricing indicates it is being aimed at a demographic higher than the 12-18 year-old market, so I'm guessing that what you "think" does not matter.
Re:Sony boycott (Score:2)
The pricing: AGE > 18
Game features*: AGE 17
*) RIIIIDGE RAAAACEEEER and heroic battles against a Giant Enemy Crab, based on actual battles that took place in ancient Japan
Re:Sony boycott (Score:2)
How is this a troll? Where I come from, we call this abuse of moderation. I doubt it will put a dent in sales, but there are definitely people who got rootkit'd by Sony, who are now refusing to purchase Sony products. Still others got boned by the PS2 laser f
Re:Sony boycott (Score:2)
Re:Sony boycott (Score:2)
I don't believe we've seen confirmation of that. We also don't have confirmation that it will have a hack-upable linux available as the PS2 did, but Sony has repeatedly hinted that it would be doing the job of a computer. It doesn't make sense to use anything other than Linux. Certainly, the PS2 Linux offering was lackluster to say the most.
Re:Sony boycott (Score:2, Funny)
In short, Sony will suffer the same fate as Dan Rather. It will be utterly destroyed, left with no money and no influence with anyone of any consequenc
Re:Sony boycott (Score:2)
That's the most pathetic thing you're seen? You must be new here.
That said, I'm still way pissed about the rootkit thing (even though I wasn't affected - Sony can still eat a bag of dicks over that one) but I was affected by how the totally fucked up both EQ and SWG. So no, I'm not buying any more Sony gear either. On the upside, I recently unlocked a new 'zone' called 'going outside' and honestly along with much higher frame rate and resolutio
Re:I disagree: market segmentation (Score:2, Insightful)
Was this sarcasm?
Geeks, please don't respond that you love Nintendo... we all know that many of you don't care about things like story. I'm talking about MOST adults.
Yes, geeks don't like story. That is why they don't bother to read not only Lord of the Rings, but also all the other Tolkien books, letters and journals to get more into Middle-Earth. That is why there is hardly any backstory to Warhammer. That would be why there are only a few Star Wars Expanded Universe books. That is why Dungeons
Re:Geeks and story (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Geeks and story (Score:2)
Besides that, have you played a recent Final Fantasy game, or any similiar RPG? They're all about "trappings", without any "substance" whatsoever. One person here labelled the Final Fantasy series as teenie-bopper soap operas, which I think is perfectly accurate.
Re:I disagree: market segmentation (Score:5, Insightful)
Nintendo is still for the kiddies. They have gimmicky controllers with a Fisher-Price look and feel.
The Lite and Wii do not look like a fisherprice toys. This only shows you bias.
More importantly, most grown-ups don't want to play Mario anything
My flatshare consists of mid-twenties adults, and my girlfriend, all of who aren't geeks (I hide my true self from them). And they almost only play games with Mario in. Mario Kart, Super Mario Bros, Wario Ware etc. And even games with silly little kiddy Monkeys like Monkey Ball. An Aside: Monkey Target is the most popular game I have even seen with actual Adults - I have seen it devour entire weekends of non-gamers.
I'm talking about MOST adults.
No. You. Are. Not.
Nintendo focuses on twitch games that generally skip story altogether, or have some bizarre Japanese theme that most adults can't figure out.
Fire Emblem, Zelda, Advance Wars, Geist, Metroid, Paper Mario (though that is a bit bizzare) all disagree. You also seem to forget that other people deveolpe for Nintendo consoles: Resident Evil 4, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Centre, Second Sight, Prince of Persia, Killer 7 and so on.
Also there seems to be a big theme of hating Japanese games through your post - but you do realise that Sony and most of it's "AAA" games are in fact Japanese?
The X-Box has moved in to the mainstream generic person arena
That doesn't even make sense. The XBox is a great machine - but you can't pretend it's in anyway mainstream - like I would be fool to pretend the gamecube was. But still I would expect mainstream to at least mean it also appealed to women, and men.
Also, people like me, who want more out of a video game than a twitch reflex also want a good story with movie level production value. I'm not interested in the typical Japanimation demon/dragon/kid hero story that is as embarrassingly bad as it is incomprehensible. I want good gameplay out of a game, of course, but I also want mind-blowing graphics and sound (The PS3 is supposed to be, unquestionably, the most powerful system). My game system gets plugged into a high-end amp and speaker system, and a high-end TV. I want all of that, packaged with a story that was written and created by somebody who speaks English (not Engrish), and some good Hollywood actors. I could care less about $600 or even $800 for a game box. And, I couldn't care less if the games are $70 each. It's worth it because 1. I've seen more games than most people have and 2. money really isn't an issue to me at this point. I just want the best.
I think that speaks for itself - get over yourself. Your awesome - we understand.
Re:I disagree: market segmentation (Score:2)
I'm part of that demographic too. What Sony isn't counting on is the number of people who are tired of waiting for the PS3 to come out and are damned if they're going to pay $600 (plus $70+ per game) for the damn thing, especially for a company that's shown itself willing to infect their products with DRM that can be harmful to the hardware of their paying
Re:I disagree: market segmentation (Score:2)
So now I'm late thirties, own my own home (which we recently gutted and had remodeled), am happily married, have a 10-year old daughter, and am trying to get a business of my own launched with my wife this summer.
Personally, I'd love a high-end cutting-edge console. Howev
Re:I disagree: market segmentation (Score:2)
Well, I don't know about alone, but I don't thin
Re:I disagree: market segmentation (Score:3, Insightful)
First, on the current generation: I don't get why you think X-Box has "moved in to the mainstream generic person arena." That would be the PS2. The X-box has carved out a niche of FPS players and American RPG fans, and is struggling with other genres. The PS2 is what most people think of when they think "video game machine" these days. The PS1 basically invented the concept of a console as a generic appliance fo
Re:I disagree: market segmentation (Score:5, Interesting)
Also, people like me, who want more out of a video game than a twitch reflex also want a good story with movie level production value.
Production value, or a good story? There's a huge difference. Hint: most mainstream movies don't have good stories, either. I've played maybe a handful of 'adult' games with 'mature' themes (Killer 7 comes to mind) that were any more complex, story wise, than a kids' cartoon. Hint 2: giving your story sex and blood doesn't magically make it complex.
Splinter Cell? Crap. Final Fantasy 7+? Crap. Paper Mario? Crap. Resident Evil? Crap. Sure, they're all fun games, but the stories are all inane and pretty much just get in the way. Please don't make me waste time with a story that I can guess by looking at the cover of the game.
I'm talking about MOST adults.
No, you're talking about MOST single adult males. All of the adults sitting in my living room last night (9 of us, and 5 were women) were all playing Smash Brothers Melee, Mario Golf, and Bomberman. Maybe you're content to play single-player RPGs and on-line FPSes, but some of us like to have a few friends over (especially of the female persuasion), and party games are king here.
Oh, and your willingness to spend too much money on something just to prove how awesome your home theater is really speaks far more about you than about the game industry.
--Jeremy
Re:I disagree: market segmentation (Score:2)
You don't get it either. Nice attempt at trying to pigeon hole people's preferences based on their sex though. I'm sure if you actually went and collected data your statement would be much more impressive. As a single adult male, I can say my idea of what is "fun" varies a lot from what you've just stated.
Re:I disagree: market segmentation (Score:2)
They have intuitive controls with an iPod'esque look and feel.
"Nintendo focuses on twitch games that generally skip story altogether, or have some bizarre Japanese theme that most adults can't figure out."
Nintendo focuses on fun-games. Sometimes, landing a series of jumps is more satisfying than shooting a zombie in the head and blood gushing out.
"Geeks, please don't respond that you love Nintendo... we al
Re:I disagree: market segmentation (Score:2)
Re:The second gaming crash... (Score:2)
The video game crash of 1983 was caused by a combination of factors:
Re:Will Sony Break 120 Million PS3s? (Score:2)
I'm curious just how 'massive' these are. Maybe I'm just not in tune with the XBOX 360 community, but those complaints seem to have died down. Corrections invited.
"Shitty graphics that are getting laughed at by pc reviewers."
When has this NOT been the case? Heh. PCs have more up-to-date hardware. The graphics will ALWAYS be better. In any event, you're in for some sad news: The PS3's graphics aren't going to be much better.
"All the talk about Nintendo changing the gaming wo
Re:Zonk the anti-sony boy. (Score:2)
Normally I'd stand with you, but in this particular case I'm glad Zonk's doing this. Sony still has some time to make changes before launch. If they finally get the hint that the media isn't going to go along with them, then maybe, just maybe, they'll do something right.
Re:Sony is gonna fail because you idiots (Score:2)
I can't wait until the PS3 is released so we can find this out. So far, all indications are pointing to this not being true.
" It is going to be able to do some 30,000 physical interactions on the screen at one time. That means when your greneade hits a wall the wall will blow apart, chunks will go everywhere. This means no more hiding behind wood crates for cover from high caliber machinegun fire. Computers are heading in
Re:Stop beating around the bush (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe for you in USA there isn't, ask any gaming Japanese and I'm sure they will think different.
"no Blue-Ray"
What? Are you only trolling?
"no "it's-not-a-console-it's-a-computer""
We don't know that yet do we? If it comes with Linux and you can start up a desktop it is, isn't it?
"PS3 is too expensive"
It probably have better hardware than the X360, it's backward compatible I think which means it has a shitload of games, it's price aren't much over X360 premium and I think onlin