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Google Bundles Toolbar With Adobe Apps 157

grammar fascist writes "Sci-Tech Today reports that Google is paying a 'significant amount' to bundle Google Toolbar with certain Adobe downloads. From the article: 'The initial venue for the Google mini-app will be downloads of the popular and free Shockwave multimedia player. The move is seen by some observers as an effort to outflank Microsoft, especially as Internet Explorer 7 nears its formal launch this summer [...] Interestingly, Google's search toolbar will be available only when Shockwave is downloaded for use with Internet Explorer on Windows.'"
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Google Bundles Toolbar With Adobe Apps

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  • by jrumney ( 197329 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @05:42AM (#15599826)
    This may be that next step. I recently got a Dell PC with Google Desktop pre-installed (but disabled until I enabled it after installing the software of my choice to replace IE, Outlook etc). Google Desktop seemed to be working fine as a search tool, until one day I started Internet Explorer. All of a sudden my firewall started warning me of outgoing connections from GoogleDesktopDisplay.exe, and ads started popping up from my taskbar. Even after closing IE, this continued, and after searching the preferences and terms of service for Google Desktop and finding nothing about this "feature", I have now banished this Google spyware from my system.
  • by uvajed_ekil ( 914487 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @05:54AM (#15599853)
    Google Desktop seemed to be working fine as a search tool, until one day I started Internet Explorer. All of a sudden my firewall started warning me of outgoing connections from GoogleDesktopDisplay.exe, and ads started popping up from my taskbar. Even after closing IE, this continued, and after searching the preferences and terms of service for Google Desktop and finding nothing about this "feature", I have now banished this Google spyware from my system.

    I use Google for searches and for unimportant email, but I know the company is not my friend, as they would like me to believe. But I won't use other Google software that has to much access to my computer without necessarily telling me everything it is doing. And I won't run IE except in very rare circumstance when Firefox or Opera can't load a page I really ned to get to. I suspect Google will sell-out a lot of security or usability for ad revenue.

  • by Janek Kozicki ( 722688 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @05:59AM (#15599865) Journal
    Interestingly, Google's search toolbar will be available only when Shockwave is downloaded for use with Internet Explorer on Windows.

    Of course it targets only IE. If somebody is smart enough to not use IE, then surely he is smart enough to not use msn search or any other crap. He might even conciously choose to not use google, but others!

    as an example my search toolbar includes:

    http://www.google.com/search?s [google.com]
    http://groups.google.com/groups?q=s&meta=site3Dgro ups [google.com]
    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=s [google.com]
    http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&c2c %20off=1&q=define:s&btnG=Search [google.com]
    http://packages.debian.org/ [debian.org]
    http://ask.com/ [ask.com]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search =s&go=Go [wikipedia.org]
    http://mathworld.wolfram.com/search/index.cgi?q=s [wolfram.com]
    http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=s [m-w.com]
    http://freshmeat.net/search?q=s [freshmeat.net]
  • by JLSigman ( 699615 ) <jlsigman@hotmail.com> on Sunday June 25, 2006 @06:03AM (#15599884) Homepage Journal
    We install Shockwave and Adobe Reader on all of the computer at work. Right now, Shockwave wants to install Yahoo toolbar and Adobe wants to install Google toolbar and desktop. I guess Yahoo's about to be out of luck?
  • web -1.0 (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 25, 2006 @06:29AM (#15599938)
    The WWW was initially all about information: it is a way so people can publish data, people can get the data and they can follow the right hyperlinks that lead to other related data. It is a distributed, cooperative, data sharing thing.

    Now we have a new kind of WWW applications. It's applications that use the web browser as their GUI platform and run in the web browser. Such applications are, advanced word processors, spreadsheets, e-mail readers and eventually the Browser In The Browser secret project google's been working on. These applications have NOTHING to do with the concept of the WEB.

    It is "scripts" for the IE/Mozilla program, like java programs for the JVM, C# programs for .NET, perl and python scripts, etc. The difference is that everybody has one of those two browsers, so the user does not have to download anything and that there is no need to install the application since it is downloaded and executed by visiting the URL. Some programmers have convinced some stupid venture capitalists, that this is the next big thing, and the news about AJAX circulates to attract more venture capitalists to spend more money to buy AJAX. Not a bad idea.

    But for the users, the IE/Mozilla platform is the most insecure way to run their applications. Their application is constantly connected to the internet. Both browsers have numerous vunerabilities and new ones are discovered every day. The application downloads and "runs" new data, very often without the user knowing about it (through hidden javascript links and the flash player). The user cannot trace, debug or even study the AJAX code that runs on their IE/Mozilla platform. Through asynchronous javascript and flash, binary proprietary code runs on their PC with full priviledges. And to all these add that javascript is a terrible programming language and that the GUI in the browser was designed for forms and was never good for things like an interactive text shell. \paragraph

    The result is that you get poor applications, that are slow, very insecure, do things without the user's control and it's a Mozilla/IE lockin.
    That is Web -1.0
  • by Dasch ( 832632 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @06:59AM (#15599992)
    ... until Google helps Mozilla further develop the SVG implementation for Firefox 3, and switches Google Maps over to SVG, as well. Imagine being able to show and hide selected layers -- roads, highways, burger joints, bicycle paths, etc. dynamically, while zooming smoothly? The satellite imagery could just be another layer onto which the others could be placed. GMap-powered bike rides, anyone?
  • Business necesity (Score:4, Interesting)

    by javilon ( 99157 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @07:22AM (#15600014) Homepage
    With all the cheating going on (scrappers, link farms, google bombing, etc...), maybe they push the bar so much because Google needs some extra information apart from links to build their pagerank results, and they get it from statistics gathered from googlebar users.
  • Is it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Konster ( 252488 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @07:32AM (#15600031)
    Is it time for an Open Source Search Engine?

    We already have a *pretty* good free OS in the form of Linux, we already have *pretty* good apps for it. Why settle for Google or MSN Search or Yahoo search or whatever? I should think that a massively distributed OS search engine should do pretty well.

    Forgive the semantics, focus on the idea.

    Use a bit torrent style method of sharing bandwidth. Say one lonely PC can store 100mb of data, 15mb of which can be shared on the internet per day to save end-user costs x the number of Linux installs, prolly not a bad use for distributed computing and bandwidth sharing if I have ever heard of one.

    Open Source Search Engine.

    The time is now. :)
  • Re:Obnoxious (Score:3, Interesting)

    by stunt_penguin ( 906223 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @08:05AM (#15600082)
    *sigh*

    I have to agree, this is a step too far as far as bundling goes- the Shockwave player is supposed to be as small a download as possible in order to lower the barrier to installation. Someone with a DSL connection may not mind the extra few seconds of download time, but someone with a shockwave download they're waiting on so they can use a site on their modem may get pissed off and not view the site at all.

    Basically it adds to the payload of the plugin and makes it harder to use shockwave on your website.
  • by EMacAonghusa ( 929754 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @10:08AM (#15600386) Homepage
    And here's the relevant Google blog post: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/06/adobe-and-g oogle-team-up-for-toolbar.html [blogspot.com] Related, from ITWire: http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/4721/53/ [itwire.com.au] (troll my hole.)
  • Re:Obnoxious (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Tim C ( 15259 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @10:49AM (#15600488)
    Not only Quicktime - if you install iTunes, it installs an iPodHelper service too, set to start up automatically. I would understand if it asked ("Do you have an iPod? No - ok, I won't install the service, just go to Tools -> Options -> ... if you ever buy one; they're great!"), but it doesn't. There's a word for software that silently installs components that take up resources even when the main program isn' running...
  • Competition (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Ajehals ( 947354 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @10:49AM (#15600489) Journal
    Microsoft looks like it could be getting into bed with Yahoo [slashdot.org] (to compete with Google apparently) whilst adding technology that mimics PDF functionality (XPS the XML Paper Standard [microsoft.com] (that competes with Adobe)) into the core of its next OS. Now Adobe gets into bed with the company that is giving Microsoft a headache over search and online applications. This could be a very clear case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend....

    Hmmmm, This is either simply Google bidding the most for their tool bar to be bundled with some very widely used software, or the battle lines within the IT sector are getting a little more defined.

    Personally I would prefer to be able to download and install an application that does whatever the job is I want doing; without installing any other "useful" application's - regardless of which "well selected" partner it comes from. However from a non technical perspective this may well become interesting.

    Now to me it is starting to look as though Microsoft are feeling less in control of their ability to "lock" users to their software. This appears to be the reason for the plethora of new proprietary file formats that they can force into the main stream with Vista. It will be interesting to see if there is any fight against the formats or if the rest of the software industry will carry out its own embrace and extend exercise... After all this time round they are not providing "new" functionality but rather revamping existing standards and encroaching on other companies areas of expertise.

    Google should add a decent dedicated document search feature that is purely an index of ODF, PDF, Rich/Plain Text etc.. and exclude XPS until it sees mainstream use at least, and offer links to - the original document - html version - adobe acrobat / open office. Im not certain if Adobe will or even should, but I would also like to see adobe and open office support the XPS standard for reading, if not necessarily for export.

  • Re:Is it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Chabil Ha' ( 875116 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @11:14AM (#15600562)
    I think that the FOSS Search Engine would die a quick death. Here's why: Part of making a search engine is obfuscating the algorithm used to produce results. Sure, we all know that be putting in key words, etc. in the meta-tags helps the spiders find and catalogue a site. However, there are measures in place to help reduce the amount of search engine spamming that occurs. This algorithm isn't 100% effective, but it does a pretty good job. Now, if you have that algorithm out in the open, the incentive for not only spammers, but those you honestly want higher results are going to leverage that knowledge to artificially boost their page ranking. This kind of defeats the purpose of 'organic' search results. This means that the crap ends up coming up at the top, translating into a dissatisfied customer.
  • Re:Alternatives (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MobileTatsu-NJG ( 946591 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @12:47PM (#15600953)
    "I don't understand why people bother with AR anymore. Other PDF viewers like FoxIt Reader manage to do nostly the same in less than 1MB."

    Does FoxIt have a search feature that'll go through entire folders and search those documents at the same time? I use this frequently...
  • Claim dial-up (Score:3, Interesting)

    by a_greer2005 ( 863926 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @01:16PM (#15601072)
    If you dont want the crapware in Adobe reader and shock wave, there is usually a "dial;up users" button on the download page, click that, and Reader is suddenly ~5MB...
  • by fizzfaldt ( 917641 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @01:49PM (#15601209)
    I don't know why, but I get the standalone installer by default
    as opposed to the download manager one.
    *does a little test*
    Aha! Javascript is the culprit.
    If you enter adobe's site with javascript disabled enabled,
    they give you access to the standalone installer.
    I used NoScript in Firefox 1.5.

    current link in case you cannot replicate this:
    http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/win/7 x/7.0.8/enu/AdbeRdr708_en_US.exe

    Since I already had this version installed I had to
    uninstall acrobat reader to test whether or not it
    is really standalone (without toolbar/extras).

    After re-installing using this file (no dialog boxes
    existed for toolbars/extras) I did not notice any
    extras installed without permission.

    In regards to the JavaScript issue in acrobat reader
    itself: I renamed the directory as a test, and the
    directory came back next run (empty).

    Then I tried explicitly denying 'execute file/traverse folder'
    permissions on the JavaScripts folder under the reader directory.
    It can no longer access anything in there and it doesn't seem
    to complain. I might simply be using the wrong pdf files, but
    perhaps this will work for you.

  • by ClamIAm ( 926466 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @02:07PM (#15601269)
    I ran into a video the other day that was some obscure divx format, so I decided to install the "official" divx software. I didn't read the installer super-closely, but on the 'select components' step, I unchecked everything I didn't want.

    But wait! Lo and behold, Google Toolbar for Firefox was installed. And Google Desktop Search. Yeah, just start indexing my entire drive without asking, thanks! I should've known something was up with a download size of 14 megs.

    And yes, I know about ffdshow and all those super-mega-happy "codec packs". I can never get them set up to just play the damn videos.
  • by FractalZone ( 950570 ) on Sunday June 25, 2006 @02:36PM (#15601374) Homepage
    What (else) does Google Toolbar actually do? What might it do?

    I'm serious. I've been an avid user of Google since early 1999 or so, and Gmail since a few months after it came out. Like many technologists, I am somewhat of a Google evangelist.

    What worries me is that Google records one's clickstream as one searchs and I can only presume that Google Toolbar could easily be modified to "phone home" about anything of interest to Google (or the NSA), particularly about what it finds on your local hard drives if you use Google Desktop.

    From the Google Toolbar Features Page:
    [....]
    Auto Update

    There's no need to check for new versions of Google Toolbar; updates are installed automatically, so you'll always have the latest and greatest version.

    Your Privacy Google respects and protects our users' privacy. Periodically, the Google Toolbar's auto-update feature will contact our servers to see if you're running the most current version. In addition, Google may collect information about web pages that you view when you use advanced features such as PageRank, SpellCheck, AutoLink, and WordTranslator. However, these advanced features can be easily disabled or re-enabled at any time by selecting "Privacy Information" under "Help" in the Toolbar's "Google" menu. To learn more, please read the Toolbar privacy policy


    From the Google Toolbar Privacy Statement:
    Your copy of Google Toolbar includes a unique application number. When you install Google Toolbar, this number and a message indicating whether the installation succeeded are sent back to Google. Also, when Google Toolbar automatically checks to see if a new version is available, the current version number and the unique application number are sent to Google. The unique application number is required for Google Toolbar to work and cannot be disabled.

    (emphasis added)

    How likely is it that some "new version" that users casually allow to be installed might become increasingly snoopy?

    Given that I already trust Google to handle my email, I might just be being paranoid. If that is the case, then my thought is, "It's a tough, thankless job, but somebody's gotta do it!"

    I worry that the vast majority of people will cheerfully ignore invasions of their privacy and monitoring of their activities if you offer them something helpful, convenient, and very shiny.

  • Adobe assault (Score:2, Interesting)

    by deevnil ( 966765 ) on Monday June 26, 2006 @05:34AM (#15604193)
    I broke down and put the acroread application on my computer because the xpdf and stuff never seem to work right and it was great and all.. Well... I was over at a friends, an XP guy that didn't have the viewer on his XP box kind of in the fasion that I refuse to run the flash plugin. I was showing his kid (12 yrs old) a pdf, but I needed to install their reader and I says, "OK, check this out..." while it's installing. The goddamned thing installs and then starts hijacking the media/image viewing defaults on his maching and to impress me or something the installer opens these windows with all of his porn - thumbnail style. I don't even have a virtual desktop or console to flee to, & hafta frantically make her get the hell out while trying to close all this stuff with installer status indicators and porn everywhere. What in the....? That was totally lame.

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