Why Oracle Isn't Part of the OSDL 193
darthcamaro writes "Some may wonder why OSDL, the self-proclaimed center of gravity for the Linux Universe and employer of Linus Torvalds, does not include Oracle as a member. Well, in a recent interview Wim Coekaerts, Director of Linux Engineering at Oracle has spelled it out in no uncertain terms. From the article: 'The thing that was really kind of revolting is that OSDL goes out and basically says that they represent the Linux community while there is no direct feedback line back to the community.'"
Not only Oracle (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Not only Oracle (Score:5, Insightful)
Hey, not even the great Stallman is part of the OSDL. So, that would mean he's in the same bracket?
Re:Not only Oracle (Score:5, Funny)
As far as I'm concerned, this is Slashdot quote of the day.
Re:Not only Oracle (Score:5, Funny)
As far as I'm concerned, this is Slashdot quote of the day.
Seldom is the question asked: Is it because they are plain stupids?
Re:Not only Oracle (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Not only Oracle (Score:5, Funny)
Don't they know that I and most
Re:Not only Oracle (Score:2)
Oracle's OSDL membership (Score:5, Funny)
Oracle Still Diggs Linux
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Re:Oracle's OSDL membership (Score:2)
-h-
Re:Oracle's OSDL membership (Score:5, Insightful)
Contractions are words. What else would they be? They're not trains or beach balls, you know. And by the way, the vast majority of words are made up of other words, sometimes in some other language - like latin or greek, especially in the case of english.
Answer: MySQL (Score:4, Interesting)
MOD PARENT FUNNY (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Answer: MySQL (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think they are actually, not at the level that Oracle really cares about.
In the past five years I've worked for two corporations, and the software we developed was targetted at Oracle, MsSQL and Sybase (more or less in that order). The software was for other large corporations in the telecom and finance industries and most enhancements/bugs/so on were coming on the Oracle side.
Business entities at that level pay lots of money for (Oracle) software and I'm not sure they even look at MySql as a viable alternative.
Maybe that's just the ones I've come in contact with, though...
Re:Answer: MySQL (Score:5, Funny)
Who needs Oracle really. Bunch of crooks, that's what they are.
Re:Answer: MySQL (Score:3, Funny)
Huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
MySQL isn't a member either [osdl.org]. On the other hand, Red Hat and Novell are, despite the fact that they're clearly competitors. So what does MySQL have to do with it?
Linus? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Linus? (Score:2)
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What's all about OSDL (Score:5, Insightful)
But now what? Even if the reasons now are more than obvious does the OSDL take the next needed steps? Sure OSDL has created the Portland initiative, unfortunately these people aren't able to do anything about the most pressing matter, the first top inhibitor for the Linux desktop adoption. It might be these people simply don't know how to fix this problem albeit I've shown them one possible solution (http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architec
OSDL might say that "they represent the Linux community", yet OSDL isn't able to bring Linux to success, to increase its market share to a significant amount. So I would think twice if to participate in such an organization. It's sad when even the self proclaimed speaker of the Linux community can't do better.
To say it once more, without agreeing on a single set of application guidelines, guidelines which enhance the usability and the look&feel, there's no hope. All one can say is "Yet another year without a Linux desktop".
O. Wyss
Re:What's all about OSDL (Score:5, Informative)
In addition, Oracle is not a member of OSDL because their core is not open source, and they have no intention to be.
Re:What's all about OSDL (Score:2)
What do you mean by that? Are you saying that nobody is using linux on the desktop? That linux on the desktop is not increasing? That linux desktop usage is decreasing?
Maybe it's not growing as fast as you would like but linux adoption grows every year. Every year the desktop gets better and better. Some figures suggest that linux has now caught up to the mac if not passed it.
Just because you don't like it or it's not growing at the rate you would like that doesn'
Re:What's all about Vista (Score:4, Interesting)
Microsoft spent most of the 90s looking the other way when it came even to business piracy, while talking tough through the BSA. Even now, when they have ramped up their aggresiveness, (AFAIK) they have yet to sue a single home-user, still only targeting businesses.
Enter Vista
This will severely limit* Joe Average's ability to pirate Windows.
Faced with being either unable to pirate, or an unwillingness to divulge the personal info (I know people switching now as Genuine Advantage is rolling out), people will look for alternatives.
So, I suggest that Vista will be the single biggest event in Linux desktop adoption.
I suspect Apple knows it, and that is the reason for their current ads doing a Mac/Windows comparison - because they also see Vista as a possible catalyst ... 'look for alternatives' is really Mac and Linux at this point.
*limit != eliminate, and the less 'average' Joe's will also be less limited.
Re:What's all about Vista (Score:2)
Good luck with that since the vast vast majority of Vista sales will be through new computer purchases. I don't think it will be a catalyst for anything despite all the hype in either direction.
If Microsoft didn't already have that market share you'd have a point but since the market is there's they no longer depend on piracy. Furthermore when they come across businesses pirating they always gives them the option to license properly before suing them. I'm not sure the number of times MS has ever sued a co
Re:What's all about Vista (Score:2)
The same could be said for pretty much every version since 95. Yet we still have seen a ton of piracy out there. How do you reconcile that?
Re:What's all about Vista (Score:2)
As for new computers, yes the Big Boys preload, but not all PC sales have Win preloaded. From http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-5561113.html [zdnet.com]
The BSA says 1/3 of the world software is pir
Re:What's all about OSDL (Score:5, Insightful)
Linux is already a humungous success, no matter how you look at it
"to increase its market share to a significant amount."
Huh? Soon after Linux started to appear in High-Performance Computing, it quickly dominated the entire field. Linux'es use on server continues to increase and it's the second most popular OS in servers, Linux'es use on embedded devices is increasing, we have major phone-manufacturers releasing phones that run Linux. And yes, Linux'es market-share on the desktops is also increasing. What do you expect? "It's been few years already, and Linux STILL doesn't dominate the desktop-market! OSDL is a failure!". Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to "dominate" a market, where the competitor is DEEPLY entrenched with about 95% market-share?
"To say it once more, without agreeing on a single set of application guidelines, guidelines which enhance the usability and the look&feel, there's no hope."
So, you feel that OSDL should spend it's time thinking about button-order on dialog-boxes and the like? I think that your viewpoint on this matter is very narrow and VERY superficial. And what if they came up with "single set of guidelines"? How do you suggest that they then enforce those guidelines? Answer: the can't.
"All one can say is "Yet another year without a Linux desktop"."
It's on my desktop. Hell, it's on my neighbours desktop as well!
Re:What's all about OSDL (Score:5, Informative)
Carrier Grade means reliable enough that the phone company and other major data carriers would use it to run a switch. That means between 99.999% and 99.99999% uptime, or between 5 about minutes and 30 seconds of total downtime per year.
Sound excessive? Those switches aren't just carrying phone calls to grandma. They carry 911 calls. Realtime FCC flight control data. Multibillion dollar bank transfers. In other words if they fail, planes collide and economies collapse.
Re:What's all about OSDL (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually, according to this page:
http://www.bcr.com/management/networking_intellig
OS failure does not count when the mythical "5 nines" is measured.
The way it was explained to me when I was in telephony was that the 99.999% applied only to getting a dialtone. That is, you didn't actually have to be able to call anyone, just that your line would produce that pleasing tone in your ear.
Re:What's all about OSDL (Score:3, Informative)
While that may have been true in telephony if we take that as "land-based voice telephone service over the last century as a whole," in telecom that surely wasn't true a decade ago, and I doubt that's changed since. The industry was already moving toward a packet-based, "
Re:What's all about OSDL (Score:2)
Uh, no. First, the Federal Communications Commission doesn't do flight control. And second, flight control still runs on good ol' IBM mainframe technology.
Re:What's all about OSDL (Score:2)
These systems are highly redundant. If a component fails none of the above happens.
Re:What's all about OSDL (Score:5, Interesting)
Here are the problems I've got with wyoGuide:
1) It assumes that developers should make new Linux applications that look and behave like established Windows applications circa 1997. Even Windows applications don't do this anymore, and users seem more than happy to use applications with skinnable eye candy rather than Office 97 menus.
2) The example language is C++, and the example toolkit is wxWindows. There are plenty of other cross-platform GUI toolkits, and other languages include cross-platform GUI as a core feature. You'll get more traction if you include more languages (Java would be a good choice, as many CS students are taught that now) and other toolkits.
3) The screenshots are all Windows. Sorry, I've got NO applications on my Linux desktop that look like that. Include some OS X and Linux screenshots and maybe people from the non-Windows side will begin listening.
4) As with #3, your tone in the document and in your Slashdot posts seems to put most of the blame on Linux developers for not making their applications resemble Windows, and then you go on inside the document and make wrong statements about non-Windows platforms:
a) Section 10.1: Linux already has a defacto standard for application paths: binary/symlink in
b) Section 6.1: preferences dialog. Many Mac applications do not have "Apply" or "OK" buttons, they simply apply immediately and you close the window to get out.
c) Section 3.7: On Linux, the Ctrl key is Ctrl, the Alt key is often called "Meta" but modern desktops often just leave it as Alt. Any Linux app that used Alt-C/X/V instead of Ctrl-C/X/V would be broken.
5) More of the "at all costs, make it resemble Windows" criteria in Section 3: "The standard entries in the file menu have their defined command keys as shown in the sample, if they have any. These keys are reserved and may not used elsewhere, not even if the corresponding menu entry is missing." I see that menu and think Office 97 (except that the editing filenames should be below Quit). Some applications might want those keys for other things, and some users might want to remap those functions to other keys.
6) What about keyboard accelerators, ala Alt-F -> File menu dropdown? If you're going to mandate/suggest the keyboard shortcuts, you may as well include the accelerators too.
7) You mention the Windows registry barely in passing in Section 6.3. It needs more than that: Windows applications must use the registry _correctly_ such that non-admin users can use their application.
8) You added a section for coding style? Now I'm beginning to think that you might not actually write a lot of code.
In short, when I read wyoGuide, I see a document telling me how to use one language with one toolkit to make an inconsistent Windows-like application with some "helpful" newb tips at the end.
Let me offer some suggestions:
1) Move the code snippets out to separate links. We're talking HCI design, not "low-level" implementation. Coders can always click the links to see source code snippets. And an HTML page with annotated source that links BACK to the wyoGuide would be nice.
2) Focus on successful applications that have already proven themselves cross-platform, such as Mozilla, Abiword, Gaim, LyX, etc. Show screenshots
Quote Out Of Context? (Score:5, Interesting)
What he's saying is that they're fine on their own, and that they're trying to avoid some of the problems that the OSDL has.
Summary put a bit of spin on that one.
still no answer (Score:5, Insightful)
So in the end i think the PR department scored another media exposure without any news.
Re:still no answer (Score:5, Interesting)
But my question is: why is MySQL AG not a member? (some above stated they where, as a reason Oracle isn't. Look at the memberlist on osdl.org before making such bold statements)
Or when "producer of Linux" is THE requirement (I think it shouldn't): why are Linspire Inc. and Canonical Ltd. not members?
Some may wonder ... (Score:2, Insightful)
Really? No, I don't wonder. Because I certainly don't care.
Next interesting Slashdot topic : "Some may wonder why Intel never went in the screwdriver business"
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The Linux community agrees (Score:4, Interesting)
If you actually look at the OSDL's stated mission [osdl.org], it's all about attracting corporate interest to Linux, not about actually getting any open source development done directly. It's still a valuable function, but if Oracle wants to interact with the community (like, for example, pushing Ubuntu's kernel patches through the review process and into the mainline kernel), OSDL isn't going to be particularly useful, assuming that Oracle has employees who're active in the community (like, for example, Randy Dunlap).
Dealing with the Linux community? (Score:2)
Does that include telling Larry [cbronline.com] to STFU?
Re:Article summarized in five words: (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Article summarized in five words: (Score:2)
Who told you that [wikipedia.org]? You've been lied to like an Apple customer awaiting the arrival of a macbook with broken hinges.
Re:Article summarized in five words: (Score:3, Funny)
It should be "Because we are Larry Ellison clones".
Re:Article summarized in five words: (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:4, Insightful)
I think money is not the main issue here.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:3, Insightful)
We're mostly engineers here, right? (Score:3, Insightful)
So, we're all engineers here, right? That means that we should understand that a bird's wing is an elegant solution for lofting a sparrow, it's not necessarily the most efficient and reliable design for an airplane.
Or that a Bugatti Veyron may be the fastest production vehicle in the world (top speed 253
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
You don't buy a "serious solution" because it will chug along and be invisible 99.9% of the time. You buy a "serious solution" because a planetary scale support apparatus will be at your disposal once you hit that nasty 0.1% . It's kind of like having the entire Linux developer community at your disposal but without their ability to blow you off if they really want to.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
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They have diagnostic tools that bypass that sort of shenanigan.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
Slashdot is a business. The absolute only logistic reason not to use Oracle is if MySQL (or whatever else) can do the job. If it made more sense to use Oracle, then yes, it would rate it. This is an insanely popular website. Pretty funny that it came out of an ordinary blog - now it's an extraordinarily wacky blog :P
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:3, Informative)
http://googleplanet.blogspot.com/2005/12/how-googl e-decided-to-stay-with-mysql.html [blogspot.com]
"The moral of the story is that sometimes, and in particular with free software, you get mo
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:5, Informative)
The second tier database manufacturers (openbase, frontbase, mimer etc) charge significantly less.
Finally there are the open source databases and companies that try to sell them.
Personally I don't see how anybody can charge for databases these except to the largest organizations. The killer feature seems to be real and reliable replication and clustering. Postgres as fine as it is lacks a decent replication schema (slony can not be used over unreliable links). Mysql replicates OK for must common scenarios but the replication does not honor foreign key relationships or transactional integrity.
So if you need clustering and replication then pay otherwise use a free one. If you are going to pay then at least pay for something that does not tie you to an operating system.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:5, Insightful)
MySQL isn't ACID out of the box.
Ohh, and the big three DB vendors have all put out a free version of their respective DB.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes all threee manufacturers have put out a free version and if you are happy living their restrictions then you should try them. The only thing you have to worry about is if your needs ever exceed their limitations then you will have to pay. Personally I just don't see the point. Either your needs are light and you don't need one of the big three or your needs are heavy and you must fork out the bucks.
The way things are going in three to five years nobody will be able to charge for a database. Look how fast mysql and postgres are gaining features.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:3, Insightful)
Why do you think that?
...
You still have to pay for Windows 2003 Server, even though you'll get perfectly functional competing operating systems for free.
You still have to pay for your MacOS X upgrade, even though you'll get
Similar examples in software abound.
Businesses like paying for their software.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
Business people are always afraid that their competiion is
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:4, Interesting)
They also like the fact that there is a legal entity to sue if things go pear-shaped.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:5, Insightful)
no, really. eulas for all big softare vendors will shake off all the responsibility they can.
has there ever been a case when a software supplier like ms or oracle has been sued for losses to businesses - and had to pay ?
if that would be the case, ms would have shelled out insane amounts of money after each worm/virus outbreak - they were massive.
of course, it is also possible that you didn't add "... but in reality it's only to comfort them morally"
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
IANAL, but so far as MS and viruses go, I think it doubtful that you'd get a jury to hold them liable for the malicious acts of others, and I also doubt that a jury would find them negligent
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they pile on your usage limit what you can and can't do in regards to a system failing and
doing financial damages or physical ones. Unless you can prove gross negligence on their
part with a flaw (and even then...it's hard to make it stick in the first place. Otherwise
we'd be seeing class-actions being fielded against Microsoft- and been seeing them some time
now...) you're not going to get very far with a lawsuit.
Th
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
Someone to sue, only on Slashdot (Score:5, Insightful)
Accountability is NOT the same as lawsuits. Microsoft is accountable for to me, because if I don't like their software, I don't buy it. OpenBSD is not accountable to me because they believe they are giving me something for free and therefore don't care about money coming in. Buying things (like RHEL, or OpenBSD CDs, etc.) creates some accountability, because they lose money if they don't keep customers happy.
Creating a financial incentive to make customers happy creates accountability. In Linux land, certain features get implemented because someone scratches an itch, or because a business needs a feature and pays someone to implement it. Those are advantages of the "open source model," but a drawback from accountability. I am a customer, I want to know that the aggregate of their customer base matters as well. The millions of $400-$500/year customers need to have their interests respected, and an environment where you have to be big enough to pay a programmer to implement the feature leaves us all out.
It's all about accountability, and a company that looks out for its customers. It's not about "someone to sue" if things go wrong.
Alex
Re: they like paying and we like being paid (Score:3, Insightful)
Why, pay open-source developers to work on specific projects, then.
or donate to large free software projects and Foundations. or just contribute back code...
but no, let's pay compulsory taxes to this large marketing-drone just so we can be reassured that we can blame someone...
Re: they like paying and we like being paid (Score:2)
Re: they like paying and we like being paid (Score:2)
In the case of contracting out the work to the OS developers, it would very likely
be a situation of them fixing the things because they're personally accountable.
In the case of a company like Oracle, it would very likely be a situation of them
trying to fix it, not because they're accountable but because it's a
potential customer loss situation. If your problem is the only one and you're
not looking to be costing them customers or money to NOT fix it- it plain flat
won't get fixed. If
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
Businesses like paying for their software.
Actually, our business pays for Windows Server and Windows 2000 Pro because our important software is Windows-only.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
People out there believe the FUD and lack practicle experience, so they pay up, no matter.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2, Flamebait)
Well, many organisation have a lot of ressources invested in Oracle and have large application built around Oracle-specific features. Oracle also have a lot of mindshare among DBA. They are not going to switch overnight. They will continue to pay Oracle for support and upgrade for along time to come, because it's cheaper and safer to do so.
I predict a ver
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:3, Interesting)
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Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:4, Insightful)
I've found it able to handle all I've wanted to do, and I'm curious at what the cases that aren't possible to handle are.
Eivind.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
As well as queries over tables in several databases.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
The Check problems I've been faceing was back in 7.x so things might very well have changed since then, but I had trouble with basic check constraints, such as checking the number of certain keys wasn't kombined with any other keys more than x times.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:5, Informative)
> sql server and db/2 within a percent or two.
Not in my experience: db2 is often 50% the cost of Oracle, especially since partitioning is an extra $10k/cpu for oracle and a completely usable form of partitioning is included within the base db2 product.
Right now I've got a multi-terabyte data warehouse running on a db2 license that costs $1500/cpu. If I wanted it directly accessible on the internet then it would run $7500/cpu.
> Personally I don't see how anybody can charge for databases these except to the largest organizations. The killer feature
> seems to be real and reliable replication and clustering.
No, those are just the features that the open source community seems to want to target. But why? They're both typically used for failover, and the commercial products have far better failover solutions (and ones that actually work across geographical separated data centers).
Bi-directional replication is at best a pain in the butt and when used to actually consolidate data its lack of tranformation abilitities stinks.
Clustering can deliver either availability or speed. The oracle solution is geared towards availability, the informaix/db2 solution towards speed (it's like a beowulf architecture, but been around for ten years). The former is ok, but again doesn't work across data centers, the latter is ok - and ideal when you've got 20 TB, but otherwise overkill.
What about partitioning & parallelism? Why use a product like db2 or oracle? How about because they can save you huge dollars on hardware? Take this example: you've got a million rows of data a day for 365 days on a 4-way SMP with 8 gbytes of memory and four disk arrays. Users run a wide variety of queries for reporting & analysis. Assume that your hardware cost $88,000 (list) for high-end models of this type.
If you're using postgresql or mysql many of those queries are going to result in tablescans - in which the database has to read every single one of those 365 million rows. This is because btree indexes don't work if you're selecting more than 1-3% of the data. So, want to see all data for previous month for monthly reports? Fine, but you'll have to wait four minutes to scan all data.
On the other hand, if you're using db2 for example you'll probably want to partition (with MDC - available even in free product) on day. When you query on a month of data DB2 will scan just that one month - 1/12 of the table. Then when it does that it'll run the query in parallel - giving you 4x the performance of the single-threaded queries from mysql & postgresql. Then you've also got fine-grained memory tuning, a wide variety of optimizations and a fast optimizer - capacle of handling complex queries. Ignoring the performance benefits of the latter features (only because difficult to quantity) and just using the first two - you're going to get 48x faster performance from db2 than mysql or postgresql. That query that took 10 minutes on msyql? It'll run in four seconds on db2.
How much would you spend on hardware to try to get that mysql query to run in 4 seconds? Far more than the cost of oracle or db2!
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:3, Informative)
Is there any reason you're not also partitioning the PostgreSQL database [postgresql.org], other than to make it look bad in the fictional benchmark? Maybe you can do more advanced partitioning with DB2 or Oracle - don't know, haven't used 'em - but PostgreSQL is certainly capable of the trivial example you mentioned.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:4, Informative)
Oracle's row-level security allows government applications to host data of multiple clearance levels in a single database and be sure that only user's with the correct clearance level sees the data. Similar usage occurs in the health-care with the data regulations on their end (HIPAA).
Sure, there are many other ways to support this in code or off the shelf software, but that won't necessarily stop someone whose determined enough to get around the application code itself.
I am anything but an Oracle fanboy, by the way. I actually can't stand the majority of their products (that is, anything that's not the database), but their DB does provide some seriously needed features if you are dealing with particularly sensitive data. And I don't know of any other database (free or otherwise) that can support that kind of fine-grained access control without coding. (I'm sure someone will correct me, if I'm wrong here)
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
I'm curious as well. (Although I think I can meet my needs with customized views... maybe... I'm still thinking about the architecture / design.)
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
THAT is what you pay through the nose for.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
- Partitioning of data
- Oracle Cluster Filesystem for storage
- Automatic Storage Management, one instance handles all phsyical storage
- Spatial data
- Oracle text for handling of all types of text, any language, free text search
- Performance monitoring
- Diagnostics
The list is painfully long when you talk about features missing in Open Source databases and no, beeing a big hitter on the web does not mean you put a heavy load on the database, that is l
Hey, Postgre is free. (Score:2, Interesting)
And although it apparently isn't as well known as it could be, it's not some niche or academic project -- it has a long track record of commercial use.
MySQL has excelled in both ease of installation and sheer speed, but Postgre has about caught up there. Whereas MySQL is catching up in Postgre's "real database" features, especially on reliability of data. It's an interesting situation -- keep an eye on both!
(Persona
Re:Hey, Postgre is free. (Score:2)
And that FLUSH PRIVILEGES is ease of use in nutshell.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:4, Informative)
>Have you looked at what oracle costs these days?
Yes, I have. There is this Oracle XE thing which is free as in free beer. It is not open source and limited to 4GB of data (the Oracle internal stuff not adding up to the 4GB limit). But it is free.
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:3, Informative)
Now there are plenty of limitations (one CPU only, max of 2 or 4Gb of data) but still sufficient for the type of solutions mySQL has traditionally been used for (and if you get to 2Gb of data you can probably afford standard edition). Plus you can always have multiple instances providing different services. However, if your architecture just requires an RDBMS I would go with something that is just that, rather than a heavy platform solution.
IMO - Oracle XE
Re:Web Sight? (Score:2)
It's 'it's' instead of 'its', isn't it? Actually, would have been funny if someone had modded grandparent in-sight-ful. No, of course it would not, but anyway...
Re:Web Sight? (Score:2)
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:2)
Re:Oracle isn't free, and mysql is (Score:4, Informative)
That's not how it works.
This is how it works, more or less:
1. SIMPLE (OWN) USE: You can use MySQL *yourself* for whatever purpose without charge. If you make money from it, how nice for you.
2. REDISTRIBUTION: If your app using MySQL is GPL (or another approved licence), then you can redistribute at no charge. If your app isn't GPL (or another approved licence), then you need to buy a licence to distribute MySQL with your app.
See http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/faq.
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You kidding? (Score:2)
Re:Let's say no to Oracle, NVidia, ATI and the res (Score:2)
Re:Sounds kinda arrogant (Score:2)