Chinese Students' Cheating Techniques - Don't Try at Home

corbettw writes "According to a wire report on Yahoo! news, competition for university admissions in China are so intense that people are coming up with new, and sometimes dangerous, ways to cheat. The methods include microscopic earphones and wireless devices. In some cases, students are required surgery to recover from their cheating attempts. If there are that many people that desperate to get into a university, the obvious question would be, why don't they just open more schools?"

It's funny, laugh?

[1u3hr]

students are required surgery to recover from their cheating attempts.

I suppose we could laugh at the grammar, if not the idea.

But what do they want to major in?

[Dekortage]

If it's law enforcement or electrical engineering, they're not off to a good start.

Re:Preferable method?

[tomhudson]

The methods include microscopic earphones and wireless device

The article makes this sound like something new ... but people were doing this more than 30 years ago in high school ... we had one guy who took the finals with a walkie-talky stripped out of its case, battery pack taped to one leg, transceiver to the other, switch in one shirt cuff, earpiece in the other, and wires connecting it all ... so he could get the answers from another student.

Of course, anyone desperate enough to do that is also dumb enough to believe you when you transmit the wrong answers ;-) (in other words, I was tired of him sitting behind or beside me, always trying to copy my answers, and then ME being accused of copying HIS answers)

Re:Marie Antoinette

[Compulsion]

I don't know what they'll be doing IN college. But once they're OUT they will spend all their otherwise-productive hours browsing /.

holes in your torso = flunked

[jjustus]

From the article:
"...an electronic device connected to headphones and strapped to a third student's body exploded, leaving a bleeding hole in his abdomen..."
Maybe he was applying to an EE program to become a designer of portable electronics. If that's the case, I think it's good that he failed his entrance examination.

Re:another good idea.

[Ubergrendle]

A more appropriate Heinline quote (paraphrased from memory):
"The society that values the artist over the plumber merely because art is more noble, has neither good art nor good plumbing."

Re:I have an easy solution

[tehcyder]

I did a Chemistry degree rather than media studies

It's OK, you're among friends here, just let it all out.

Re:If you got only one chance, you do what you can

[clambake]

Personally, I'd sacrifice a virgin should I find one

That was ironic... becuase if you are female in china, you have TWO shots... the entrance exams... OR sacrificing your virginity to somone else who passes (i.e. get yourself and M.R.S. degree).

Slightly OT, but...

[Nutria]

the rest of us should get fast-food and unskilled-labor jobs instead of slacking off.

• The graduate with a Science degree asks, "Why does it work?"
  
• The graduate with an Engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"
  
• The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
  
• The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"

Re:another good idea.

[Bastard of Subhumani]

The problem is not that there isn't enough schools, the students don't want to go to ust jANY university. The students want to get into the TOP brand name universities

Well build more TOP universities, then. Do I have to do all the thinking round here?

Re:If you got only one chance, you do what you can

[Opportunist]

Note to self: When inventing some place to refer to as bad, make sure it doesn't really exist.

Re:Slightly OT, but...

[Anonymous Coward]

The CS Grad says "Can I build a web based interface for it?"
The Management Grad says "Can we have a meeting and discuss it?
The Law grad says "My Client already has a patent for it. give me $$$"
The MSCD says "Can I build an Active X Control for it?"
The Certified hacker says "Please do!"

Re:another good idea.

[Opie812]

I think everyone has had at least one teacher that they could not guess how they managed to keep a job

Ironically enough, in my case its been Chinese profs that fit that profile.

Wrong answers

[AviLazar]

So many answers ...

I didn't say give everyone a piece of paper - i contested your argument that some people don't deserve more education.
School resources are completely different from self-learning resources ala library. Formal education is also someone teaching you in a learning environment with other people.
Just because someone has to dig ditches does not mean they have to be dumb. It also does not mean they are not allowed to learn.
Fabricating? Pfft. Increasing the amount of knowledge people have increased the amount of positive input they can put into your society.

Actually, from your statements above you are against education for many people who don't meet your requirements. You are an elitist snob "unfortunately this doesn't quite kick out..."

If you wish to perform manual labor jobs then do so.

Unfortunately for you, your teachers sucked. When I went to my inner city highschool my teachers said that I have many options and I should seek the one that best suits me. They tried guiding me. I, luckily, realized that I would not perform well in a manual labor profession so I went to college.

Physical labor can and has been outsourced and if you don't believe me check the label on your clothes. The physical labor that cannot be outsourced is the ones requiring manufacture here (like construction of roads/buildings).

But I will stand by my argument...everyone - from the garbage man, to the short order cook, to the computer techy, to the worlds leading brain surgeon should ALL have the option of learning more - and to do it for free! Our schools should be free, and impressive. They should be built like forces. Our defense budget should be our school budget. Instead of having crap teachers who are doing this as their "fall-back" jobs, it should be done by teachers who are begging to get in because the work environment is healthy and the pay is in the six figure range.

Re:Chinese Education Reforms & Conundrum

[BalkanBoy]

Communes can function perfectly fine, as small, relatively isolated self-selected and enforced societies. Anything tried on a nationwide scale- we've seen the results of that time and time again, and it's not good.

Riggghhht - like communal marriage between two people in the United States where we have 4 million divorces each year (overall rate of > 50% of marriages break up in less than 7 years). Communism sure does work in small(er) settings :).

Re:another good idea.

[Photar]

I don't know about the uni you went to but at mine they waved the "reasonably fluent english" requirement.

Re:another good idea.

[Anonymous Coward]

We had a quantum physics lecturer who didn't seem to be able to annunciate m and n clearly. He also scrawled in some kind of barstardised cursive, so you couldn't really tell the difference there either. Kinda makes life hard when the whole course uses tensor arithmatic with i,j,m,n as the indicies!

We complained. He got upset and scrawled a hugh n next to a huge m on the blackboard "See emma and enna!". Thing is, they were a foot and half high, but you still couldn't tell them apart.

Re:Chinese Education Reforms & Conundrum

[Anonymous Coward]

A few points.
First, communism has never been implimented, anywhere. It's always been a variation of socialism.

Second, communism and socialism are economic systems, not forms of government.
Contrary to popular belief, a socialist economic system can, and is implimented, with success, in democratic societies (The Scandinavian states, and Canada, for example, all run heavily socialist, socio/capitalist systems. within their democratic societies.)

The misconception is often stemmed from the fact that totalitarian states (CCCP, Cuba, N. Korea, Vietnam, China, etc) all ran/run despotist governments, with a variation of socialism as an economic system. This leads to people using totalitarianism and communism interchangibly, and thus sounding like uneducated asshats.

Bottom line is, you are most certainly wrong. history does not show that socialism isafailed ideology. Rather, it shows that if implimented properly, that is to say, within a democratic society, infused into pseudo-capitalism, it works, and it works very, very well, as opposed to when it is implimented within totalitarian systems, it tendsto fail miserably.

It's an economic system that glorifies the working class, it should be rather obvious that such a system cannot possibly work in a system where the working class is oppressed.

"The right people haven't been in charge yet!"

You know, I've never actually heard that argument used as anything other than a mock argumemt, as it is in this case.

Though there's some truth to it, unless you're willing to argue that Stalin wasn't a magalomaniacal, blood-thirsty madman. However it is also false, since, once again, sucessful socialist economic systems are in place, around the world, so obviously, someone, somewhere was done something right.

Re:another good idea.

[FurryFeet]

Well, yeah, but back then they didn't leverage their capacities into proactive strategies to focus on the customer and become world-class organizations. So, even though they were "very large companies", they never maximized their potential to achieve unparalleled success.