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Fedora Core 5 Re-spins Available 55

Posted by timothy
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Lxy writes "The Fedora Community released re-spins of Fedora Core 5 last Thursday. What's a respin you ask? To put it simply, all the latest updates have been patched into the install CDs, eliminating the need for a long download process after installing. You can read the press release here and of course nab the torrents here."
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Fedora Core 5 Re-spins Available

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  • Great... (Score:4, Funny)

    by dhasenan (758719) on Monday June 05, 2006 @07:00PM (#15476272)
    Now, instead of downloading up-to-the-minute patches after I install, I can download up-to-the-week ISOs before I install! That means rather than an additional 50-100MB, I get to download an entire 4GB DVD image.

    Hold on a minute....
    • Re:Great... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by jbellis (142590)
      Presumably this is targetted at those who either don't have the old image downloaded already, or who install large numbers of machines.

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      • Re:Great... (Score:3, Funny)

        by moro_666 (414422)
        This is the most "unfunny" news of the day. i think redhat hates communities and online lists. they also hate the fact that things should be kept simple.

        Imagine now the fun on support lists and forums :

        H4x0R_A: I just installed FC5 and nothing works
        Package_Owner: what the hell are you talking about, fc5 had a working version ...
        H4x0R_A: It doesn't work, i made a fresh install
        Package_Owner: are you _sure_ that you haven't made any upgrades ?
        H4xOR_A: Yes
        Package_Owner: Read From The Label CD That You
        • I think you missed that fact that this is an unofficial project [fedoraunity.org]... i.e. Red Hat didn't make the decision to issue the respin.

          As far as whether things work or not, once you run the updater, there should be no difference between a system installed with the standard FC5 discs and a system installed with the respin. In theory, anyway.
    • Re:Great... (Score:3, Informative)

      by Eric Smith (4379) *
      The updates are now WAY over 50-100MB. I haven't checked lately, but I think there's more than a full CD's worth.
  • by Eighen Indemnis (893363) on Monday June 05, 2006 @07:07PM (#15476320) Homepage
    It's Fedora Core! The *wikkiwikkiwikki* REMIX!
    *cue Puff Daddy dancing around like his pants are falling off*
  • ...is if they could do a "development" respin with all of the development RPMs as well as just the updates. If you think doing a "yum update" for just the vanilla updates is bad, that's nothing compared to the development stuff. True, the development stuff is aimed more for developers and testers than the general public, but (a) the number of testers/developers bound to be limited by how practical it is to become one, and (b) it's generally a better idea to have as close to a "clean" and well-determined con
    • that building the ISO images & setting up the installers is not always a trivial task

      Any idea what that is? It sounds like a misfeature to me if you can't do 'make iso'. That seems like a reasonable target for automation.
  • Fedora core being the gigantic beast that it is, why isn't there a push towards network installation ? For those few that will install linux on a whole bunch of PC's the ISOs are ok, though a "Jigdo"-style custom ISO might be better, but for people like me who install once and use it for months without reinstalling, a small net-based launcher would be great as I could download only the bits I need. This is what I do for Debian and of course Gentoo and I think it's great, but for Fedora this is considered
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Uh... You mean like the network installation option? Like the one I use almost daily for my installs?

      Using pxe-boot, from tftp server, launching the initrd and kernel files from the *shock horror* pxeboot images folder! You can also boot the cd and select http/ftp/etc install or create floppies... Plenty of options.

      Some files: http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/fedora/linux/co re/5/i386/os/images/pxeboot/ [pacific.net.au]

      We mirror the entire fedora tree locally each night, and install from that. It's very much do-able,
    • Ummm... download CD1, boot it with:
      linux askmethod
      and point it to either an HTTP/FTP/NFS server, HD archive or the CDs... That's been supported on almost every RedHat I've ever seen and certainly is on FC5 and RHEL4. Just because you don't know how to do it doesn't mean it can't be done. I for one do it almost daily because we have a massive network-install infrastructure.
    • I am not sure who modded you insightful, but this has been doable for a long time now. Also I understand that the installer is being modified to allow for full internet installs so that you grab the newer packages straight from the mirrors when you install. The base structure to do this was put into FC5, so I would expect this enhancement for FC6.
    • I imagine that the recently-released respin is more intended for new users & new installations rather than for upgrading/updating an existing installation. For that, yum update should be more than sufficient. As I've just finished installing FC5 to my laptop, a fresher installation ISO would have been very welcome rather than rather large out-of-the-box updates required.

      Always keep in mind, as well, that Fedora Core is a distribution prone to more package migration than others. It makes no mystery

  • Just DVDs (Score:3, Informative)

    by Kelson (129150) * on Monday June 05, 2006 @07:17PM (#15476379) Homepage Journal
    From what I can tell, they've only produced respins of the DVD images. So if you don't have a DVD burner, or if you need to install on machines that only have CD players, you'll still need to download 2 months' worth of updates.
  • by Yeechang Lee (3429) <ylee@pobox.com> on Monday June 05, 2006 @07:28PM (#15476448) Homepage
    Here's some more places you can get Fedora with security updates conveniently added on:

    * Click here [haxx0r.org]
    * or here [pwn3d.com]
    * or here [rootkit.com]
    * and finally, here [microsoft.com] (Plenty of servers, so best performance!).

    HTH!
  • I remember FC4 and some genius took it upon himself to release new CDs with all updates applied. It was then known as FC4.1 and later FC4.2 if I recall correctly. I was kinda looking for a FC5.1 but the "Respin" is a much nicer deal especially since it's more or less a 'blessed' activity.

    I have FC5 installed on several machines and I almost never "upgrade" from a previous version although I might do that with my network server box... still undecided. But using the same FC5 DVD to install and then let it
  • This is not Fedora Core 5, but an incremental release?

    Oh I know, let's do what makes sense and call it Fedora Core 5.1 to eliminate confusion and avoid compatibility issues down the road, and potential security holes when the sysadmin grabs the wrong Fedora Core 5.0 DVD.

    Oh right, that makes too much sense.

    Seriously, now, why didn't they just announce Fedora Core 5.1, or at least 5.0.1?
    • It's not an incremental release. It's Fedora Core 5 plus all updates as of the time the ISOs were created.

      In theory, if you were to take two systems, install one from the stock FC5 disc and the other from the respin disc, then run the updater on each, both systems would be identical except for your config choices.

      The difference is that one system only has to download updates released since the end of May, while the other had to download updates since March. Both of them end up being Fedora Core 5.

      (As far
    • This is exactly what CentOS does. They ship a new image every so often that has all the updates and call it version 4.3, for example. Works well and the updates are transparent and work with every version. Periodically we update our net install image so that we can do a network install of the latest patch level. Plus we maintain an internal yum mirror for security updates.
  • "Fedora Community"? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by pete-classic (75983) <hutnick@gmail.com> on Monday June 05, 2006 @08:35PM (#15476760) Homepage Journal
    The Fedora Community released re-spins of Fedora Core 5


    This seems misleading, since both links go to some unofficial site. Not that "unofficial" is necessarily bad, but I have no idea who these dudes are.

    -Peter
  • It would be great if someone created a burn of FC with all the stuff you add in later anyway, like java, mp3 support, mplayer, etc.

    And put the "install everything" option back in.
    • It would be great if someone created a burn of FC with all the stuff you add in later anyway, like java, mp3 support, mplayer, etc.

      If you are in the USA you can help fix this - let your representatives know that the laws governing mp3 and DVD playing software are a pointless impediment. Until then Fedora since it is based in the USA must comply with weird US copyright laws that would even make bundling of Java or Acrobat too much of a headache. Meanwhile the rest of us can look at www.fedorafaq.org and no

  • Current modern distros are just too whopper big to deal with on dialup. If you miss the first week or so before you get the snail mail disks, you are stuck every day downloading and patching some huge amount, this way you can can at least wait a bit, let the first month of patches go out (always large once a LOT more people are running the release and finding the gotchas and figuring out the work arounds, THEN get your disks and start patching/updating. Just when you finally get your personal "stable" relea
  • trhe trolls come out. I must say, the heads at RedHat at bigger men than I. The very people they are trying to help (While making money for their business of course) shout them down every chance they get with FUD, I might have called it quits and lived out my life in quiet retirement hacking away on my own. Pity really.
  • Why they didn't use a sane name - update, service pack (ungh!) etc. - is beyond me. The fact that the article needed to explain what re-spin meant is a bad sign.

    Its a great idea, but it would make a world of a difference if they used names that were obvious. You know where I'm going with this, so I'll stop.
    • Well, it is niether an 'update' or a 'service pack' (the latter of which might have been useful however). So niether of these would have been a good name. While the name could subjectively be lacking, it is not without root in any logic. I believe the process of creating the ISO is automated, and it would be fair to say that some program 'spins' the ISO into existence. The first I saw of this was in the headlines of the latest "Fedora News Weekly" (a newsletter). And the headline read "Fedora Core 5 Re-Spin
    • Ehrm...Fedora Core...The Director's Cut?

      Or Fedora Core ... Episode 6?

  • I was disappointed to see that only the i386 and x86_64 FC5 sets were respun. When official updates are made by Fedora itself, they include new packages for all supported platforms. However, the Fedora "Unity Project" respins, they don't really seem to have unity in mind. :) I personally don't care as I've stopped downloading the 5 ISO sets in favor of installing from a rescue CD.
  • I directly caused this, by finally getting around to installing Core 5 on the weekend and downloading 271 updates over about 36 hours on my slow home connection.

    I assume it was only possible to release the re-spin after I had gone through the hassle of yum updating a couple of hundred packages, in the same way that I cause stock markets to drop by buying shares...
  • Does anyone else think it is sad, that they had enough bug fixes and updates to even warrant creating a "Respin" cd? That would lead me to believe that it was ready when they released it to begin with.

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