Games Seized Following Murder 354
GamePolitics reports that M-rated games have been taken as evidence a case involving the death of a 55-year old man in Louisiana. The connection? Jack Thompson says: "Nobody shoots anybody in the face unless you're a hitman or a videogamer." GP goes on to point out the lunacy of this claim. From the site: "Funny, that. A quick Google search on 'shot in the face' turns up 921,000 entries."
Cue the Dick Cheney jokes (Score:5, Funny)
Cheney plays videogames? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:5, Insightful)
Shot in the Face (Score:5, Funny)
I can imagine a mob of gamers swarming this guy, all shooting him in the face with those Nintendo light guns.
Re:Shot in the Face (Score:4, Funny)
I hereby give you permission. Go for it.
Re:Shot in the Face (Score:3, Funny)
Careful - the US is a land of litigious bastards, and you might just find yourself with an accessory to murder charge
You just need to disclaim all liability in a 1.5pt unreadable font to be absolved of liability haha...
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:5, Funny)
The stats are very much skewed: Stealth games like Metal Gear Solid are getting very popular, so they clearly still go on random murdering sprees; they just got -alot- better at disposing of the bodies/evidence. :D
Off topic; The [p] -tag now just acts like putting in a linebreak [br] : Weird stuff.
OT: the paragraph tag (Score:3, Informative)
The [p] tag works normally if you close the previous paragraph with a [/p] (which has been the preferred way to close a paragraph for several years, although unclosed paragraphs still work for the most part.
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:2)
Why doesn't someone just figure out that statistic and then we'll have an answer to whether games promote violence? Oh, because that would be the logical, non-fearmongering thing to do.
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:2)
Correlation does not imply causality.
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:2)
It seems to be fashionable (except among gamers) to just assume that there IS a causal relationship between games and violence without even a correlation to back it up. What an interesting result it would be if there WAS no correlation.
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:2, Insightful)
And because that would be like trying to figure out if people who watch television commit violence. Twenty years ago, games were toys and gamers were a small subset of the population. now they have become mainstream entertainment. I'd prob
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:2)
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:3)
They have! [timesonline.co.uk] (that was the first link I found to the story/study).
Researchers from the University of Oklahoma recently found that two-thirds of school fights were instigated by regular video game players, but only 4% were started by children who had never played such games.
Two-thirds started by regular video game players! Only 4% by kids who never played such games! Fast, ban them! Ban them NOW!
But wait, aren't like 80% of kids re
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:2)
A correlation indicates either a causal relationship or common causation by a third factor. No correlation indicates no causal relationship.
Don't you think it would be interesting to know whether there is even the possibility of a causal relationship between playing violent games and committing murders? You know, before assuming it and enacting a bunc
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:2)
Re:Cheney plays videogames? (Score:3, Insightful)
My pet peeve is the extra horizontal space between lines, but I think they have the same root cause:
The text is too damn small to be legible without them.
PLEASE can we have an alternate stylesheet that respects our browser font settings?
Re:Cue the Dick Cheney jokes (Score:2)
Re:Cue the Dick Cheney jokes - but seriously (Score:2)
Haven't seen that one. Tell me about it?
Re:the CSI Miami connection (Score:2, Insightful)
Haven't seen that one. Tell me about it?
oh, there was a game development firm that had a "live" contest with their new game, where Univ Miami students competed to rack up points by playing the game "live" and robbing banks, shooting people, etc, all while wearing hockey masks spraypainted. Turned out the winner was a young woman, one of the player helpers died while playing online for 72 hours straight, and the game fir
Re:the CSI Miami connection (Score:2)
That sounds similar to a NY episode I saw but not quite
Doesn't the Pres play Duck Hunt? (Score:2, Funny)
Why is that Jack (Score:2, Insightful)
Is this a comment on similar mentalities between hitmen and videogamers or is Jack trying to say they're the only people with good enough aim to hit consistent head shots?
Seriously though, how is this news? If the police are building any sort of murder case against anyone, they are going to sieze everything remotely related to murder and killing. Whether it be videogames, music, movies, books, etc. anything that helps the DA s
Re:Why is that Jack (Score:2, Informative)
TFA: 'The WFPSO took Thompson's information and used it as a basis to search the home of a 16-year-old suspect in the crime. A police official told the newspaper that deputies seized several M-rated video games from the residence. Captain Spence Dilworth, however, drew no conclusions from his findings.'
Re:Why is that Jack (Score:5, Insightful)
Also from TFA: "I think (the murder) goes beyond video games, but who's to say?," Dilworth commented, adding that the question of whether video games lead to youth violence might be "more of a debate for the living room rather than the courtroom."
Doesn't sound like the local police are too amused with Jack Thompson's "theories". Once again, this isn't news because the games that were siezed will play no role in the murder trial. The cops are like, "Yea we found M-rated video games, who cares? The kid confessed."
Jack Thompson is a crackpot and the only reason he gets any attention at all is because people see his name in an article and suddenly its a top story.
Re:Why is that Jack (Score:2, Informative)
That's true.
A friend of mines brother and his best friend stabbed someone to death. The police arrested the pair the next day and mostly cleaned out this kids room (he still lived at home). The police took the bathroom sink in the basement next to his room even though it contained no visible trace of blood.
I guess the police figure
Shot in the face (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Shot in the face (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, it's hard to even feign surprise, but dammit, things are fucked up.
Re:Shot in the face (Score:2)
Re:Shot in the face (Score:2)
Re:Shot in the face (Score:5, Interesting)
I think it's very sad that a violent game about killing police, stealing cars, and shooting pedestrians with shotguns only becomes M-rated if a male character can get intimate with a female character.
Would you rather expose your kid to sexual themes, or murder themes?
In puritanical America... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Shot in the face (Score:5, Insightful)
Both? I find that exposing my child to both allows me to make sure that my child has a mature understanding of the matter. I have never understood parents who thought that censoring life from their children would somehow magically result in them being BETTER able to cope when they encounter the censored aspects of life.
Life is life and kids will discover it, you can be upfront with it from the very beginning (sex is no more difficult for a children to cope with than any other bodily function at a very young age) or you can wait. Waiting presents a wonderful opportunity for thier 5 year old friends to share bad information and misunderstandings, parts or which may not be corrected for years. The older children are the less absolutely they trust their parents and the more they trust friends and other sources of information (the is especially true if parents have told them fairytales and censored their lives as young children). Those misunderstandings could even lead to deep set behavioral patterns since the primarily functions of the brain are still developing when the child learns this information.
As for violence. Humans are violent creatures. Children will discover violence even if they never saw any outside input. It is only a matter of time before they commit violent acts of their own based on instinct alone. This is again another opportunity to expose them and explain the truth of the world to them. You can argue that children shouldn't have to worry about serial rape and murder. I would counter that neither should you and I. That doesn't change that these things are a fact of life and my child is going to wary of the man trying to coax him or her into a car while your child will be ignorant of the danger.
Censoring what a child is exposed to is not doing that child a favor, it is promoting ignorance and false values.
Google stats are meaningless (Score:5, Insightful)
The point of this is that you can't extrapolate something like a Google search into evidence. Police who have experience with crime probably have a somewhat better perspective on the hows and whys of crime than you Joe Searchbot does.
Re:Google stats are meaningless (Score:5, Informative)
TFA's paragraph in full: 'Funny, that. A quick Google search on "shot in the face" turns up 921,000 entries. Here's a quick sample just from the past week. We see nary a video game or a hitman among them.'
Re:Google stats are meaningless (Score:3, Interesting)
The government doesn't have the tools necessary to validate this counter-example. It is clear from the governments desire to get at the logs of google searches they do not have access to google. Otherwise the government could determine from their own firewall and server logs the rate of pr0n links returned from innocuous searches.
Re:Google stats are meaningless (Score:5, Insightful)
"Oh man, I shot Marvin in the face." - Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction
"It was one of the worst days of my life." - Dick Cheney on Fox
Re:Google stats are meaningless (Score:3, Funny)
Second, considering that Vega was a hitman, and Cheney is an avid gamer (what, you didn't know?) this isn't the best set of counter-examples.
Re:Google stats are meaningless (Score:5, Funny)
However, I should point out that it was, in fact, the John Travolta character who shot Marvin in the face. I will not even attempt to think about the implications of a John Travolta-Dick Cheney connection, which would be truely frightening.
Now for a on-topic addition:
"Oh sorry, didn't mean to shoot you in the face yet" - Ron Jeremy
"Mr. Arafat? Hey, guess what I'm doing right now!" - Bill Clinton
Re:Google stats are meaningless (Score:3, Insightful)
Which makes it trivial.
Crooks of all sorts have been routinely shooting for the face since a media blitz made them aware that essentially all police (and some civilians) are routinely wearing kevlar bullet-resista
Re:Google stats are meaningless (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, those Google stats... (Score:2)
*Okay, this also happens with any other ethnic/racial group, but I just wanted to make my point.
Solomon Chang
Re:Google stats are meaningless (Score:2)
I'm willing to bet the only reason they bothered talking to Jack about this was to get him to say something outrageous so that Slashdot a
which is the vice president then? (Score:5, Funny)
Why not both? (Score:2)
I really need to get out more...
Re:which is the vice president then? (Score:2)
He's obviously a gamer; gaming for actual game.
I guess we need to pass laws against these dangerous M-rated outdoor hunting games that encourage over-aged gamers to shoot their partners in the face, then blame "hunter's tunnel vision" for their own carelessness.
Please. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Please. (Score:2)
Re:Please. (Score:2, Funny)
There can only be one, Highlander!
Re:Please. (Score:2)
Re:Please. (Score:3, Funny)
921,000 Results... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:921,000 Results... (Score:5, Funny)
gun?
Re:921,000 Results... (Score:2)
So can I, and, this being a lame play on words joke, it should probably follow this post
Thompson is a Moron. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Thompson is a Moron. (Score:5, Funny)
"In 2006, two Michigan gamers began a project dubbed "Flowers for Jack", soliciting donations to deliver a massive floral arrangement to Thompson's office. The flowers were delivered in February along with a letter aimed at opening a dialogue between Thompson and the video gaming community. Thompson responded by forwarding the flowers to some of his industry foes, with such comments as "Discard them along with the decency you discarded long ago. I really don't care. Grind them up and smoke them if you like."
In 1992 Thompson faced disbarment over allegations that he lied while making accusation against prominent Dade County lawyer Stuart Grossman. He'll do whatever he has to in order to accomplish his goals.
The man is ignorant, uncooperative, and a lawyer... but he can still be broken -- if he became disbarred, lost his fandom, and studies were released proving that there is no link between videogames and violence... that would be a fate for him worse than death.
P.S. If you do want to shoot him, don't add fuel to the fire -- get a hitman who's never played a videogame
Re:Thompson is a Moron. (Score:4, Insightful)
The man is ignorant, uncooperative, and a lawyer... but he can still be broken -- if he became disbarred, lost his fandom, and studies were released proving that there is no link between videogames and violence... that would be a fate for him worse than death.
No, if any of that happens, he will simply become a politician and run for Congress. He's a fanatic, and fanatics rarely back down, even when proved wrong. Look at all these Doomsday cults where the "leader" predicts the end of the world and miraculously, it never comes. Do their "followers" abandon them? No -- they believe the new tripe the leader makes up to explain why his prediction comes true. See? Same thing as politics...
Re:Thompson is a Moron. (Score:2)
Re:Thompson is a Moron. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Thompson is a Moron. (Score:2)
You mean a report like this one [apa.org]? [Violent Video Games: Myths, Facts, and Unanswered Questions, written by Craig A. Anderson, PhD, Psychology.]
In a nutshell it purports:
- Violent videogames lead to increased aggressive behavior and thoughts
- High exposure to these games has been linked to delinquency, fighting at school, and violent
Re:Thompson is a Moron. (Score:4, Insightful)
In this episode, Morticia responds, "Now, now, Uncle Fester, you'll do no such thing."
"In the side?" suggests Fester.
"No," Morticia answers firmly. "We shall settle this issue through legal channels."
Fester looks doubtful. "Shooting's safer," he points out.
Sometimes I agree with Fester.
Hitmen? (Score:5, Interesting)
Jack don't know anything.
Re:Hitmen? (Score:2)
IN THE FACE!!! (Score:2)
We can only hope the Judge and Jury in this trial are not too stupid to see the error of a statement like that. While the accused does deserve his "reward" for his crimes, i think blaming games for this is utterly ridiculous. People need to sta
Re:IN THE FACE!!! (Score:2)
Re:IN THE FACE!!! (Score:2)
Which is about where this case should end up.
The proof this is false... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The proof this is false... (Score:2)
Furthermore, some pistols and sidearms can be mounted with scopes/laser sights too.
Re:The proof this is false... (Score:3, Insightful)
seriously though, what do you think a guy like me would find so hard about pulling a handgun up, aiming down the sights,
You forgot to get a proper stance.
and squeezing without flinching (set your aim off)
You forgot breathing. (Not to mention loading the damned thing...)
- or holding a rifle square in your shoulder,
Err... did you zero that rifle? And, again, you need proper posture whether you're standing up, in the prone or sitting down
Actually... (Score:5, Interesting)
On the other hand, most games register heart shot as just another chest shot, scoring pretty low damage, while headshots, from any direction, including the face count as serious damage multiplier.
That would narrow it down...
Re:Actually... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Actually... (Score:2)
Re:Actually... (Score:4, Insightful)
"I was aiming for his heart."
"Well, you missed."
The only thing I can think of the OP referring to is the phenomenon where the bullet skims the cranium underneath the skin, popping out the other side and giving the victim a hell of a headache. Tends to happen with low-powered rounds that literally richochet off the skull. It's a freakish enough occurance that I doubt you'd avoid shooting someone in the head.
It is true, however, that self-defense courses do not teach to aim for the head; it's a small target, and you're not going for style points. I remember being asked, "When do you stop firing in a self defense situation?"
The answer? "When the magazine is empty."
GamePolitics? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:GamePolitics? (Score:2)
Another reason why GamePolitics is a good source for something like
One Question... (Score:4, Insightful)
One Question: when is Jack Thompson going to prison? His abuse of the legal system and profound negative influence on society has to end.
The surest sign that the litigation indust--, er, justice system in the US is broken is that this guy hasn't been disbarred yet.
Stories like this... (Score:2)
Why Jackie you ask, because the name is just different enough to avoid litigation, and since he is a assassin with martial art moves that he learned from playing "Ninja Gaiden" for 12 hours("Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu" wouldn't fit in his bio since it rambles much like the man it spoofs), the name just suits him better too.
"The best weapon is a sharp mind" (Score:4, Insightful)
So what's our best defense against him? Frankly, I think the last thing Jack Thompson would want is to be ignored. He probably likes the animosity he's building with the gaming community, and he'll like making headlines many times more. Let's just ignore the fellow, and at some point he may start campaigning against diet sodas or the ulterior motives of figure skaters ("Nobody wears blades that sharp...unless they want to kill.").
Re:"The best weapon is a sharp mind" (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm sure he likes the animosity somewhat. But gamers are not who Jack is targeting for action -- he is targeting non-gamers to get them to pass laws we (in general) do not like.
If *everyone* would ignore him, he'd no longer be a pest. But the major problem is that there are plenty of people who either agree with his opinions, or too apathetic to disagree with him. So, if you want Jack gone, you've got to play his game and beat him at it -- make sure Joe Sixpack understands that games don't kill people, irresponsible parents and unstable kids and easy access to guns and a ton of other factors (and sometimes just accidents!) kill people.
Re:"The best weapon is a sharp mind" (Score:2)
Shooting him in the face?
Jack Thompson is a useless twit. (Score:3, Insightful)
But we have this stupid jerk who's gone on a personal crusade against games. He'd better serve the public by going after crime in general. But I guess that wouldn't grab the headlines quite like his vendetta against games.
As for the police seizing games for evidence, I think thats perfectly reasonable. I expect the police to leave no stone unturned in any murder investigation.
Re:Jack Thompson is a useless twit. (Score:4, Insightful)
We can't afford to ignore him, but we CAN afford to make as much fun of him as possible and make sure EVERYONE knows just exactly how preposterous everything he says is. This means everything from simple 'gamers have a tendency to copy their games' to 'gamers are evil, disgusting creatures that would as soon shoot you in the face as look at you' and everything in-between. His tamest-sounding speech is poison to the minds of anyone involved with law. Every single thing that he gets someone to believe is a blow to the freedom of gamers around the USA. (Luckily, he hasn't spread world-wide yet.)
We cannot afford to be lax because the only 'experts' in this field are us. If we ignore him, he gets to run rampant.
Feeding the troll (Score:2)
I wish he had half the dignity of Al Sharpton, who some would say was for a long time a 'racism' troll as much as JT is a 'videogame' troll. Both hop on sensationalist events to push their agenda, pandering to the people who think like them, while ignoring tangential issues, and in many cases, the truth.
I'm not trying to be flamebait here -- my point is that many of the people who listen to/respect Jack Thompson dislike Al Shar
How come... (Score:2, Insightful)
In all seriousness, I'd like to see just how many "video gamers" were convicted of shooting someone in the face.
I'd also like to see how many people have been shot in the face prior to violent video games. Throw in how many violent crimes were committed in the US since the advent of violent video games vs. prior to violent video games. Add to that the average yearly income of the person r
Logic 101 (Score:4, Interesting)
Does this count? (Score:3, Insightful)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln [wikipedia.org]
Someone care to edit that wiki page to include Booth's suggested "mad 1337 GTA sk!llzs"?
ehh? (Score:2, Funny)
Hmmm.. the Mozambique drill. Not from gamers. (Score:2, Interesting)
Trends (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Trends (Score:2)
(BTW - neat page!)
How to get Mr Media Whore's panties in a bunch (Score:2)
Elmer Fudd (Score:2)
more logic (Score:4, Funny)
And no one utters anything that fucking stupid unless they're pushing an agenda, or a lawyer, or both.
Face-shooting aside... (Score:5, Funny)
Google News Search (Score:2)
"gunshot to the face" [google.com]
This turns up 5 hits from May 5 to May 29th. Four of them in the US and one in South Africa. Not one seems to mention a hitman or a gamer.
921,000 hits? Holy crap. (Score:5, Funny)
SWAT snipers apparently do it (Score:2)
I saw part of a show on the discovery channel about SWAT teams, and the sniper on the team was talking about how his target is the triangle made from the temples and the bottom of the nose.
They also showed him shoot a practice target as his team broke down a door and headed into the room; with his bullet traveling within a foot of his team members on its way to the target.TV? (Score:2)
I'm trying to figure out if this is Louisiana stupidity or if they're just absorbing some of it from Florida.
By the way, Jack Thompson should die in a fi-*BLAM* AH I DIDN'T MEAN IT DON'T TAKE ME TO J@)&%)#&*%SIGNAL INTERRUPTED
He's right (Score:2)
Re:JT is right (Score:2)