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Tom's Hardware Looks at Microsoft Vista Beta 338

RockClimbingFool writes "Tom's Hardware has a pretty good overview of what the current beta version of Microsoft Windows Vista has to offer. The article is written from an average user's perspective, specifically highlighting exactly which differences the average computer user can expect to see from Windows XP to Windows Vista. It covers everything from IE7, to the new Windows Aero interface, to brand new games." But if you'd like your eye candy open source and downloadable now, check out Lunapark6's review of the current version of Ubuntu Dapper, with "emphasis placed on helping someone set up the system for everyday desktop usage."
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Tom's Hardware Looks at Microsoft Vista Beta

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  • 40 pages (Score:2, Informative)

    by assassinator42 ( 844848 ) on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @09:25PM (#15440979)
    Yippee....
  • 1 page version (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @09:28PM (#15441001)
  • XP released in 2002? (Score:4, Informative)

    by RustNeverSleeps ( 846857 ) on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @09:38PM (#15441053)
    Quote from the article:
    Today's still-current Windows XP was initially released in 2002, which means that operating system is now pushing five years old.
    IIRC, Windows XP was released in the fall of 2001. The Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] on Windows XP confirms this. It was released on October 25, 2001. XP is close to 5 years old, even closer than the article says.
  • by RockClimbingFool ( 692426 ) on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @09:45PM (#15441082)
    Yeah, my submission was only the italizied part. That other garbage is just submission crapping.
  • by this great guy ( 922511 ) on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @09:56PM (#15441137)

    Necessary I don't know, but it is useful because so many people out there are totally unaware of the great features offered by alternative OSes. Regarding Ubuntu, in no particular order: Aero-like features already available via Xgl (while Vista is not yet released), centralized package management system, 1-click full system update and security patches installation (under Windows, MS-only software is upgraded), generally easier to use than Windows (according to one of my family member who is an average desktop computer user), easy to install, no drivers to download from the hardware vendors (the kernel recognize everything by default), etc.

  • by mad.frog ( 525085 ) <steven@cr[ ]link.com ['ink' in gap]> on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @09:58PM (#15441143)
    So your mom would have an easier time installing windows?

    Well, yes, most likely.
  • Re:So... (Score:4, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @10:01PM (#15441157)
    If I'm not up to "read" 40 pages of screenshots, what, besides gfx of the UI (which has been already backported to XP as "skins") has changed in Windows?

    A rather extensive list can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windo ws_Vista [wikipedia.org]. Some notable features include:
    -New network stack
    -New audio stack
    -New driver framework
    -New printing architecture
    -New windowing system (DWM)

    There are a substantial number of 'behind the scenes' changes in Vista. But for some reason the Slashdot crowd seems to think that the UI is the only thing that's changed. Oh well.
  • by Columcille ( 88542 ) on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @10:30PM (#15441324)
  • by Chosen Reject ( 842143 ) on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @10:38PM (#15441373)
    I've never installed Linux for desktop use that I didn't have to spend quite a bit of time making all the hardware work right.

    Funny, I re-installed XP only 6 months ago and had to spend hours just getting the OS up and running with updates and drivers and such. Then another several hours putting on applications such as Visual Studio, OpenOffice, Firefox, etc, and I'm not including games. Just over the weekend I installed Fedora Core 5 and after an install that took less time than Windows I spent about 1 hour running the updates and had myself a usable workstation, with Anjuta, OpenOffice, Firefox (with plugins), etc. And no, this isn't new hardware. All my hardware was purchased before Windows XP was released, so the age of the OSs shouldn't be a problem when it comes to drivers.

    But maybe you were counting customizing the look and feel. Because most distros don't come with Nerzhul as the destop wallpaper I had to do that, whereas for windows it's just the blank blue for me. So yeah, you have to spend a little time customizing Linux, but at least you can do it, whereas for Windows you get what they decide looks nice to the eyes.

    In case anyone is wondering, Nerzhul goes on Linux [fedoraforum.org] because I can make everything blend in better with a dark wallpaper, whereas the simple blue on Windows blends in better with the blue-ish theme in XP.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @10:43PM (#15441398)
    Yeh, I can answer some of these questions (this is all publicly available stuff):

    > Will the Bluetooth protocol stack be less problematic than XP's? I hope so.

    Yes, they've expanded profile support substantially.

    > Will they support WPA2 natively, without 170MB of updates?

    You bet.

    > Will IPV6 be native?

    Yes -- IPv6 is a first class citizen in Vista, the entire OS has been scrubbed for v6 blockers, and they actively want people running v6 only during the betas (since it's expected to be a major use case in certain environments).

    > How about IPSEC support? Will it actually work this time?

    It should. Remove the firewall block, and it should Just Work anywhere you like. You _do_ have to Opt-In though.

    > How bad is the new Windows shell?

    MONAD is hardcore. I was dismissing it until I got the low-voice, "no dude, you _need_ to spend a day with it" thing from someone I respected. It's an utter tragedy that it's not inbox, especially considering how much else still is. *sighs*

    > Is it close enough to Bash or even csh to be useful?

    It's different. Very arguably better, in a non-textual world.

    > What's Task Manager like? Do I still have to wait seconds for it to appear when a process runs amok?

    No, it's just as annoying. What's the use of a high priority screen to spawn task manager if you're still stuck fighting with your broken process? Grrr.

    > Does the UI remain responsive during heavy calculations (I do a lot of 3D)?

    Perf is a big question right now. Everyone's running debug builds so crashes can actually be traced back.

    > Can I install games without worrying about which version of DirectX is installed?

    DX10, with a big ol' DX9 compat layer.

    > Will the new version of Office install things I'll have to disable, like toolbars, fast find, and Word integration into Outlook express?

    Unknown.

    > Do I still need to press Ctrl+Alt+Delete to do things?

    I hit it all the time to pull up Task Manager and Switch User.
  • by grammar fascist ( 239789 ) on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @11:46PM (#15441734) Homepage
    It's Slashdot... Slashdot is where the Linux geeks hang out. If you don't like it, maybe you should read the MSDN forums or something?

    Kind of. More like Linux pretender wanna-be geeks. Or Linux geeks who have to use Windows at work.

    My blog [blogspot.com] has gotten most of its hits [extremetracking.com] from my Slashdot sig. Click here to check out the most popular software:

    http://extremetracking.com/open;sum?login=wrperson [extremetracking.com]

    For the record, in case things change:

    Browser: Firefox 1.5 - 45.33%
    Operating System: Windows XP - 60.97%

    Most of us here have huge interest in how Vista turns out, if only because our employers will put it on our machines.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 31, 2006 @11:52PM (#15441776)

    You have obviously never installed Ubuntu yourself. How can you criticize something you have never EVER tried ?

    Let me tell you that when doing a regular install you DON'T have to type any shell commands whatsoever. The install procedure is even simpler than a Windows install because fewer questions are asked and the partitioning is automatic. The article linked in the Slashdot story only shows a way to do optional modifications in order to heavily tweak a default install.

    Regarding ndiswrapper, it's the fault of some hardware vendors who don't release Linux drivers or even basic h/w specs (even when asked, see one of the numerous stories about OpenBSD asking for them) for their wireless cards. A question for you: would you have the same opinion of Linux if you were using supported hardware that would be automatically detected (e.g. an Intel Centrino wifi chipset) ? You seem so narrow minded that if you were using a supported wireless interface, I'd bet you wouldn't complain you wouldn't even realize that all of this is just a question of driver availability.

  • by Tyler Too ( 909326 ) on Thursday June 01, 2006 @12:25AM (#15441953)

    Ars Technica "tour" [arstechnica.com]. While it doesn't take up 30+ pages, it also doesn't spend an inordinate amount of time covering what's changed in Windows Solitaire..

  • by eggz128 ( 447435 ) on Thursday June 01, 2006 @06:06AM (#15443149)
    Add this to your userContent.css file (assuming you're using Firefox/the Mozilla suite)
    a[href="http://www.monkey.org/~timothy/"] {font-size:200%; color: red; !important}
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    Watch out for the extra spaces slashcode adds. There is a way to make this specific to slashdot.org (this rule will apply anywhere Timothy's site is linked) with Firefox 1.5+ , but I'm too lazy to look it up.

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