Apple Finally Getting Its Game On? 176
Gamespot reports on the possibility that, in some way, Apple is making moves to develop games. From the article: "This week, GameSpot learned that there may be more to the Apple-game rumors than mere Mac-mad daydreams. A tech-sector recruiter contacted the GS NewsDesk with an interesting story of a prospective hire that got away. Recently, when said recruiter made an offer to a software engineer, the engineer turned the offer down--saying he was being 'heavily recruited by Apple.' According to the engineer, an Apple hiring manager named Mike Lampell is heading up a group inside Apple's storied iTunes division. The group is specifically hiring for 'C/C++ coders with a gaming background.'"
Nice move... (Score:5, Funny)
Anybody want to place bets on his chances of being hired now?
Re:Nice move... (Score:1, Interesting)
Doesn't sound like Apple, though (Score:2)
David
Rumor management (Score:3, Insightful)
Think of it this way: It's impossible to keep rumors of new and important products from happening. Too many people are involved. But if you can drench out the true rumors with tons of false ones, it's gonna be very hard for the public to sort out which ones to believe in. And your product announcements will still be newsworthy and surprising.
Somtimes I think 90% of the crackpot "Art Bell" theories slushing around on
About Time (Score:5, Interesting)
With the money to be made, the market share to be exploited, and the minimal investment required, I'm surprised they haven't already done this.
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This might just save java too.
Re:About Time (Score:2)
I'm a little confused as to what you think Java needs saving from; it may not be popular round these parts, but out in the real world, its in huge demand, at least in the web. Increasingly it's also to be found gluing web fornt ends to legacy systems and even replacing those systems altogether.
Yeah, it pretty-much died a death on the client, but that's hardly indicative of it requiring "saving" from anything.
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However the iPod idea seem like it would be a money maker. People spend tons of money on cell phone games, why shouldn't apple get in on it. Hopefully they will also open it and the ability to sell through iTunes to others as well.
Not that that's a *bad* idea... (Score:2)
-fred
3D visualisations for itunes? (Score:4, Interesting)
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But n8_f's is probably correct, that they want a flashy 3D user interface for something like Front Row.
They called me... (Score:5, Interesting)
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In short, they're not really looking for people with games experience, they're looking for people with OpenGL experience. 'Games' is just a useful keyword for finding the resumes they're looking for.
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Excellent news! (Score:5, Funny)
* May not actually be twice as fast outside the Reality Distortion Field. But who cares? You know you'll buy it anyway.
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Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? (Score:2)
The real reason why mac gaming hasn't taken off is the very small audience. The PC already has a large install base, an established audience and still only finds a small segment of the whole games market.
Any mac game venture could only hope to gain a small improvement over its currently modest array of titles, unless some serious money was put in to convincing developers/publishers to port more games to the platform the only
Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? (Score:2)
Sure, out of 20 of your friends, only one might be a Mac user, but if you want to do any MMO gaming with that one friend, it can't be on EverQuest, EverQuest 2, Star Wars Galaxies, or City of Heroes. It has to be World of Warcraft.
When deciding on an MMORPG for you and your circle of friends to ea
Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? (Score:2)
Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? (Score:2)
Macs come with all sorts of CPUs and GPUs; a game written specifically for the Radeon X1600 in a Macbook Pro isn't gonna work well on the Intel chip in the Macbook/Mac mini or on the NVidia chips in a Power Mac (or Mac Pro, as it may turn out). I don't think Macs are really any more standardized than PCs as far as game programming goes.
Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? (Score:1)
No (Score:2)
And nothing stops a mac guy from putting a radeon x1900 in his mac.
That's really not an issue... (Score:2)
Most Mac systems "do stop you" ... (Score:2)
Purchasing an iBook, iMac, Mini, MacBook, MacBookPro certainly does.
Re:Mac's as ideal gaming platforms? (Score:2, Interesting)
Ideal, except Macs with a graphics card worth a shit start at 1999USD (and even then it's a MacBook Pro with a
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Oh, and the idea that people are going to install Linux on a Mac to play games is about one of the most absurd things I have ever heard.
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Osx, is sadly not a "linux platform."
OSX has benched quite a bit for games than windows on the same hardware... I'm not sure what the slowdown is, but it probably just has to do with mac ports usually being done as quickly and shoddily as possible. I've also heard some people saying that the kernel just isn't that fast, although I'm not sure that would have much of an effect on games.
I love OSX, but it is definitely not the ideal gaming platform. The fact is that what makes a gaming platfor
Disney? (Score:3, Interesting)
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Good point though, but I think it's a little bit too niche of a market?, but hey, what do I know, since I'm obviously not in the target audience.
Finally, maybe? (Score:1)
Think Different... (Score:5, Funny)
One billion games downloaded!
Mini versus PS3? (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, the PS3 blows the mini out of the water in performance, but if the Wii takes off, then Apple might want a piece of the action. Plus, it has all the home media hub functions already, and a distribution network for music and video.
The return of the Apple Pippen? Ars technica had a journal article from 2005 about Apple and Sony integrating the iTMS with the PS3 [arstechnica.com], could Apple just be deciding to do it themselves after they saw the price of the PS3? Remember the sales pitches of the 80's for the Commodores and Ataris? "It not only plays great games, but it is also a full blown computer!"
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Even high end Macs are poor gaming machines because the graphic cards Apple sticks in them are at least a generation or two behind PC cards. I dropped $1600 18 months ago and all I have is a Geforce 5200. At the time it wasn't even that great. Mac users typically have 2-3 upgrade card options available at any time and any of them will cost about the same as a console.
Don't forget that PC games are heavily into the ActiveX camp, which AFAIK still doesn't run on OSX.
Re:Mini versus PS3? (Score:3, Interesting)
MS is pulling some totally insane stuff with DirectX X so people will be looking for alternatives... I'd like Apple to offer some I like gaming, I hate windows.
The transition to Apple drivers, graphics extensions and hardware, might allow some new players into the graphics market, which is getting really expensive these days.
(Lookie I made a comma splice!)
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The mini's actually have a 5400 RPM drive. And yes, the integrated graphics won't win any awards, but even with these defecencies the Mini makes a lot better home media center than a PS3 or XBox 360. It should be able to run slightly older 3d first person shooters accepta [anandtech.com]
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Additionally, the lack of upgradeable graphic cards ensures that a Mac Mini will be unable to "grow" in the future. I'm not sure that a Mac Mini would be able to compete with a console which is where the Mac Mini would compete best. Since it is a computer f
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My G5 plays World of Warcraft with better graphics, a comparable framerate and better stability than my wifes windows box (and I got the bundled graphics card when I bought the G5, rather than upgrading to the much nicer gaming card option).
But no, the Mini might become a media center, or a set top box, or a DVR or maybe even a casual gaming machine, perhaps. It's really unlikely to be a console competitor or your platform of choice for FPS in the near future. But that's because it's a very, very low-end
Convergence is what it's all about (Score:1, Interesting)
Apple should be in handheld gaming. They should be shooting for the inevitable, a true convergence of the handheld market. That uber-Phone/PDA/Ipod/Gameboy - all in one - that geeks have dreamed about since the Star Trek communicator.
Apple sells the most expensive device in our pockets right now. It has mass storage, a color screen, significant processing power and it's own OS. Of all the pocket based systems, the Ipod requires the least additional work to accomodate the features of all the others.
Latest Mac ad (Score:5, Funny)
Suited Guy (PC): "Woah... out of the way... bang, gotcha! Hahah! Oh no. Oh no! Dudududududu! Ha! Who's your paternal-figure? Hey? Hey? Who's your paternal figure?"
Hip Young Guy (Mac): "Hey dude, whatcha doing?"
PC: "I'm playing a really awesome game. You play a secret agent, and you have to shoot the henchmen, and... hold on... woah! Ok, you want a turn?"
Mac: "Oh, come on! Surely you could be doing something productive, like, erm, burning DVDs? I can burn DVDs. Yeah! Make your own movies, it's cool"
PC: "Yeah, I did that once. Hold on... woah! Gotcha! Haha! Gotcha, what's behind the wall? Oh... hey, it's multiplayer if you want to join in."
Mac: "Oh, games. Aren't those what games consoles are for?"
PC: "Depends on the game. This is an mod someone did for Doom 5, so you'd never see it on a console. You just don't get that kind of innovation on closed platforms like consoles. Hold on, I got it! I got the papers! Now, how do I get out? Er..."
Mac: "You know, you ought to be sorting through the pictures on your digital camera which I can do really easily with iPh..."
PC: "Yeah, that'd be a real fun time. Real. Fun. Time. Yeah. Sure you don't want a game? Hold on... blam! Gotcha! Where the hell did he come from anyway? Ok, through this wall..."
Mac: "Oh no, games are such a waste of time. I'd rather do something productive like, erm, manage my iTunes collection. That's something I'm good at..."
PC: "Me too, you do know I run iTunes right? Aw come on, let your hair down a little. I thought I was supposed to be the stiff."
Mac: "No."
PC: "Wait... I think there's a hidden passage here... read it in a forum somewhere... oh yeah, next to the pot plant, got it, extra health, excellent. Anyway, why not? Why don't you want a go?"
Mac: "I don't want to talk about it."
PC: "What?"
Mac: "I said I just don't want to talk about it, ok? Ok?"
PC puts the joystick down for a moment: "You can't play games. That's what it is, right?"
Mac: "Right. Ok. So I can't play games. What's the big deal? Nobody plays games anyway."
PC: "Sure. Nobody does. Right. Yeah, just me. Just boring, suited, me. Not like I play more games than all the games consoles put together. Right."
PC falls on floor, rolling with laughter.
Mac: "Ok. OKAY! Now let me turn this photo slideshow and jingle I put together in Garageband into a DVD. Not a waste of time like playing games is."
Mac walks off in huff. PC picks up joystick and continues playing.
Fade to black:
"Apple Macintosh"
"The Computer That Can't Play Games"
"But That's Ok Because Nobody Plays Games Anyway"
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Plus he's on the Daily Show... (Score:2)
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Was anyone else bugged like heck with the one claiming that Mac had the better device compatibility? No one in their right minds makes a device without windows drivers, and more than a few make windows only devices.
That commercial just wandered off into the real
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I just watched that commercial to see if what you said is true. I don't think it is.
They start off saying that the Mac networks with Windows. It does. It used to be a big thing that a Mac couldn't talk to your Windows network very well.
Then the girl comes in. She's a digital camera. The Mac does have very good connectivity with digital cameras. I have a friend who just returned her new HP notebook
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The other thing the Mac does that's nice for beginners is that it doesn't just mount your camera as a mass storage device. iSync lets you customize what you'd like to happen when you mount a device that contains photos. As a default it opens iPhoto, imports them all and
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Now, Bluetooth is something that really does work better on a Mac.
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Isn't that weird? I see it every time I go in there! I must be suffering from detached retinas or something.
Granted we don't have Half-Life but I'm addicted to RTCW anyway (yes it's older than moses - but between the map-mods and the overall speed from the last great game based on the Q3 engine that cranks decent even on g4's - I'm SO frigging addicted).
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Convergence (Score:2)
what makes you think it'll happen (Score:2)
Add Win32/DirectX to XCode... (Score:1)
At the very least, DirectX makes sense given games typically run in fullscreen and don't really care about UI widgets anyway..
Re:Add Win32/DirectX to XCode... (Score:2)
Obviously it's not an officially-supported environment, but there's nothing stopping you from writing Win32/DirectX code in Xcode right now. Just install the Cygwin cross-compiler from DarwinPorts and set up an "external makefile" target. I've also used it to build SDL & Qt apps for Windows.
Give away some blades; sell razors & blades! (Score:4, Insightful)
There is a precedent for what Apple may be doing here. Anyone remember the Atari 800? [wikipedia.org] I bought one just so I could play Star Raiders [wikipedia.org]. I bought it at a store outside Boston (IIRC at a Bit Bucket in Newton, MA) which had this set up on a 5-foot projection TV for video and a 100 Watt stereo driving the audio. The salesperson told me: THAT ONE GAME was responsible for something like half of their sales of the Atari 800. At the time (1980 or so), the Atari 800 cost me about $800... and I happily paid it so that I could play a ~$50 game. AND, once I got the computer, I bought many more applications and peripherals. Star Raiders was the "killer app" of its day.
Apple might be looking to do the same. Sell some subsidized games on iTunes for little money so as to encourage additional iPod sales. Once he consumer has the iPod, and has overcome paying its (non-negotiable) price, the barrier to buying more things for it is overcome. Increased iTunes sales. Even MORE profit for Apple. A larger market. Synergistic growth.
Someone else here mentioned about Disney. Kid sees friend playing Disney game on iPod. Kid Wants Game. Kid pesters parents incessantly. Parents buy an iPod for junior to play these nice kid-friendly Disney games. Kids become experienced users of an increasingly dominant platform. [Apocryphally, IBM gave (?) Selectric typewriters to schools to use in Touch Typing Classes. Said students go off into the business world and are faced with klunky manual typewriters. Secretaries all-so-often are the ones who Get. Things. Done. Not too hard to start persuading the PHBs to buy a Selectric typewriter. Lather, rinse, repeat.] Apple has done similarly with schools by offering a significant educational discount for their computers. Microsoft has a student discount for their Office suite. Hook 'em while they're young.
Here, Apple could hook 'em before they even GET to school! Like I said, Brilliant. Absolutely Brilliant!
Re:Give away some blades; sell razors & blades (Score:2)
Now, if the big screen video iPod rumours [engadget.com] turn out to be true, all bets are off, and Sony better watch the PSP's sorry little UMD-using ass, 'cause it'll go the way of the Lynx in a friggin' eyeblink.
Hmm... Wonder if they can do it... (Score:2)
softimage as well (Score:2)
Good move (Score:3, Interesting)
When I first read the headline, I didn't realize that it was referring to games. Rather, I thought it meant that Apple was getting ready to gear up for hitting the personal computer market. As time passes, they move themselves further and further in that direction; the popularity of the iPod/iTunes, the cheap Mac mini, moving to a different architecture, development and release of OS X. Never has Apple been more attractive to the consumer than they are today.
And what do consumers love? Games. If Apple can roll out some high quality hits, people will love the game first, then notice the publisher. They'll learn to associate Apple with good things, and next thing you know, they'll be buying one.
Sure, this is looking at it optimistically; whatever games they are going to produce are really going to have to take off in a big way for this to have more than a marginal impact, but to me it seems like a small step in the right direction.
The Games Make the System (Score:2)
Apple probably won't be able to woo some significant game developers away from Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo into anything exclusive, but they can certainly leverage their large installed base of iPods, and create some good first party games that take advantage of the clickwheel and audio/photo features and other unique aspects of the ipod.
I'm curious to see what com
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Apple? Games? Ha! (Score:2)
Look, they can't even get Open GL to run at reasonable speeds on OS X. Actually, it's so bad that 1-year old laptops such as mine (12" powerbook) don't even reach minimum specs to play friggin' Civilization IV [insidemacgames.com], for chrissake.
Actually, their latest move of not including a decent GPU on the Macbook [barefeats.com] is a pretty strong indicator that they don't give a fuck about games, gamers, the gaming market, or game publishers. What, do they really expect even casual gamers to shell o
What are these "ads" you speak of? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:What are these "ads" you speak of? (Score:4, Funny)
Try Firefox with NoScript. It makes surfing the web a clean, relatively ad-free experience, and minty fresh too.
Feh. Try lynx. Even fewer ads and pages load in a snap.
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2) Torrent sites only have ads to pay for the cost of hosting the torrents and
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Though I agree with the general gist of your post, the sound in the ads is the complaint here. Those of us that use multi-tabbed browsing to a ridiculous extreme would much rather NOT have a bunch of idiotic sound sources flying around. MySpace.com has a feature where you can have your favorite song played right from the page. I opened a few friends pages and heard a strange noise from my headphones
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I think that websites like IGN... actually have a pretty good way of displaying ads
I don't know if you've been to IGN lately, but the last time I was on there reading articles, they had placed "IntelliTXT" ads on all their pages. Basically, IntelliTXT seeds links over random words in the body. It tries to entice you to mouse over them. If your mouse comes anywhere near the links, BAM - a big yellow ad pops up in some position on the page. Sometimes it vanishes again when you move your mouse, only to appe
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THat being said, if you play FPSs, RTS, TBS, MMORPGS, or sandbox style western RPGs a console just doesn't hold a candle. If you begind your electronics life as a diehard gamer I'd say there is very little chance you'll ever becom
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And for the slightly off-topic record, blowing $70 a week in quarters on DDR may make you a diehard VG dancer, but in my mind it still makes you a bad person.
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The only problem is that it runs so damn hot. With WoW, we got the CPU up to 160 degrees F, and decided to turn it off before we cooked the damn thing.
The Mac DOES Have Games! (Score:2)
Unreal Tournament 2004
Battlefield 2
World of Warcraft (You can't get any bigger tban tbat)
and many more.
Goto the Mac section of your local CompUSA story if you are in the US and you'll see them.
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Ie, they are in a relatively unflexible and closed circle, so the high number of console players make the market count these titles as 'hot', not the titles CAN compete with the ones in the pc market and so legally claim the title.
Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! (Score:2)
Well, my understanding of hot titles would be the likes of :
Starcraft World of Warcraft Diablo 2 Knights of the old republic 1 & 2 Dune 2 Duke Nukem Doom Call of Duty X Wing Alliance
You must have noted that all of these are TREND SETTING games, games which have defined how their genres are going to be after them.
The titles you name are 'fun' titles, which are rather niche in some point.
Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! (Score:2)
Thus, as we havent heard them, yet alone buying the system after seeing them, it appears that there is a catch here.
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However coincidentally, a great majority of my icq list (80+) and msn list (30+) accrued during the course of 98-2006 are pc gamers, there are no console people save only one.
This i hold as an additional pointer to pc being much more widespread than consoles.
Re:The Mac DOES Have Games! (Score:2)
You'll also see that the Mac section is much MUCH smaller. My cousin is a Mac addict. He's got a great setup, wonderful laptop, and I'm envious of the ease of use. But man, we went game shopping, and it was rather depressing. Apple makes fine products, but please don't kid yourself. If you're a gamer, Macs are disappointing. Just like Windows is disappointing when it comes to up-time.
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Yes, but the article is about the speculation that Apple will be actively, internally developing new games, not just making an OS which other companies shoddily port popular PC games to, hoping to cash in on another market segment with little development work.
A long, LONG time ago, the Mac versions of certain
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