Battle of the Tech Titans 81
garzpacho writes "BusinessWeek has a look at the big tech alliances that have been announced recently. From the article: 'In the war for dominance of the Net, May 25 turned out to be a big day for alliance making... The pairings highlight the importance the fast-growing, $12.5 billion Internet ad market and the race to get in front of as many Web surfers as possible. The alliance with eBay gives Yahoo a way to narrow a lead by Google in generating advertising sales. Paring with Dell, meantime, helps Google muscle in on Microsoft's dominance of the desktop. These alliances are predicated as a response to a looming threat...'"
Dell+Google = Overblown (Score:5, Insightful)
Um, it's a search toolbar, not an OS. I'm sure M$ still happily cashes Dell's checks for each copy of the OS that ships with nearly every model...
Re:Dell+Google = Overblown (Score:2)
They must be counting on the search toolbar turning into something like Emacs, which directly competes with Linux.
Re:Dell+Google = Overblown (Score:2, Insightful)
He needs to do the work quickly and efficiently.
(Ever noticed the blank look on your (non geek) friend face when you passionately debate linux vs windows. ).
Big companies are in a rush to provide services on the web. "Pay as you utilise" model seems to work.
Whoever will serve the user faster and
easier will get his/her dollars. Plus the added advantage of advertising revenue.
I think that Dell + Google is a
Re:Dell+Google = Overblown (Score:2)
Positioned strongly, you say? Who currently owns the OS on most desktops and laptops?
The other knock on Google is that they've reversed the whole "don't be evil" slogan by bending over for China, reading your Gmail and phoning your desktop searches home, so I'm not certain they could put a dent in the holier-than-thou "run Linux or Mac OS for world peace" crowd either.
Re:Dell+Google = Overblown (Score:3, Informative)
Google Earth vs. Windows Live
Picasa vs. whatever crap Vista will have with it
gmail vs. MSN/Hotmail/Passport
Re:Dell+Google = Overblown (Score:2)
Re:Dell+Google = Overblown (Score:4, Interesting)
The larger issue in this case is the 12.5 billion dollar online advertising market. Google, Yahoo and Microsoft are trying to generate revenue by serving up advertising. Because Google is integrating their toolbar and desktop search on Dell PCs, Microsoft is losing potential revenue that would have been generated by Dell shipping PCs with their browsers automatically feeding people into MSN.
On the subject of advertising, Microsoft is obviously flailing. They are trying to do too many things at once. That is good news for people who are taking aim at their core OS / application business, but bad news for people using Microsoft software.
Not Overblown - Google Needs This (Score:2, Insightful)
I probably wouldn't word this as Google "muscling in" but rather as taking a critical step in defending against MS "muscling in."
Re:Dell+Google = Overblown (Score:2)
So it's... (Score:3, Funny)
Well, it could be fun... (Score:1)
Sad really (Score:1, Insightful)
all this technology and potential and the best use business can think of is advertising ?
here is the business model for all you startups
1) ???
2) sell advertising
3) profit !!
Re: Sad really (Score:1)
1) Create free product
2) Attract users
3) Realize you don't make money from free product
4) Sell advertising because noone would actually pay to use your product
5) Make profit
The problem is that unless you're selling something, noone wants to pay for net services so focusing on building user bases and then selling advertising doesn't seem that unreasonable for some broad product areas.
Re: Sad really (Score:2, Funny)
I salute your attempt, but here people just want to laugh at the same tired jokes over and over again so please, please, stop posting and trying to raise the bar.
Re: Sad really (Score:1)
Then, I imagined being amused.
Re: Sad really (Score:2)
Google Competing with Microsoft? (Score:3, Insightful)
"The Dell deal, on the other hand, gives Google prime real estate on desktops -- a space dominated by Microsoft (MSFT) ... [Microsoft] drew the ire of Google ... Google now is taking matters into its own hands"
I very well could just be missing something, but I just don't see them competing in a direct, substantive way, at least just yet. I mean, Google makes most of its profits by online advertising, and Microsoft makes most of its profits through licensing of software.
There's obviously some overlap in that some of their products overlap, but what's with all this war drum talk?
Re:Google Competing with Microsoft? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Google Competing with Microsoft? (Score:1)
I was just wondering what was happening on that front. At some point, it will have to stop. This nonsense of MS using its
Re:Google Competing with Microsoft? (Score:2, Interesting)
Considering MS has pretty much said they intend to kill Google as the dominant search engine, the competition is pretty obvious. Though to be more specific it's really more like MSN vs Google competing for web supremacy.
Ever since I saw question #5 on the Google Labs Aptitude Test [wolfram.com], "What's wrong with Unix? How would you fix it?", I've always wondered if Google was working on an OS of their own on the sly. If I was Microsoft, I'd be extremely worried about this prospect, since pretty much every Google
Re:Google Competing with Microsoft? (Score:1)
Re:Google Competing with Microsoft? (Score:2)
They do obviously compete online, with Google offering search + kitchen sink services and Microsoft offering search + a piece of crap portal. Since online is Google's primary domain, they're direct competitors even if Microsoft has scads of other products.
Google vs. MSN (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Google Competing with Microsoft? (Score:2, Interesting)
No doubt from the very public dick size contest they've got going on between them.
Where they get the idea that the subject is of any interest to anyone else is beyond me. Maybe business publications have gotten into a dick size contest with the National Inquirer or something.
KFG
Re:Google Competing with Microsoft? (Score:2)
I'm sure the makers of Stacker felt the same way. The DOS 6.0 came out.
The Empire (Score:5, Funny)
I started humming the empire music...
Re:The Empire (Score:2)
Re:The Empire (Score:2)
It was just as exciting as the opening crawl from The Phantom Menace, too.
Welcome tiered PCs (Score:2, Funny)
Internet Ad Market - don't we all block ads? (Score:5, Interesting)
Except for the simple microAds from Google, and which now appear all over the place, everything else I, or my company, block. Popups are blocked, ad sites are blocked. Sites that get too annoying with javascript ads, or use annoying pass-through ad pages too often, I stop visiting.
How much more $$$ can there actually be for advertisers on the web? Isn't everyone doing all they can to block these annoyances? Seems like the alliances will be irrelevant.
Re:Internet Ad Market - don't we all block ads? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Internet Ad Market - don't we all block ads? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Internet Ad Market - don't we all block ads? (Score:2)
Re:Internet Ad Market - don't we all block ads? (Score:2)
Re:Internet Ad Market - don't we all block ads? (Score:1)
It's possible some of that is skewed by the ability of some browsers to mis-identify themselves.
How much that actually is depends on your optimism/pessimism one way or another.
Re:Internet Ad Market - don't we all block ads? (Score:1)
Re:Internet Ad Market - don't we all block ads? (Score:2)
Well, the only similarity of javascript and ads blocking is that normaly only geeks do both. It is very hard to belive that there is any correlation, since the motivation to block them are completely different.
Also, there is something weard with your statistics. Are you sure that there you have no problem with people blocking the pages you are measuring, or that they work on all browsers? (Linux < FreeBSD & 90% of IE6 is weard, it may be that your users are just different, but it may also be a faile
Re:Internet Ad Market - don't we all block ads? (Score:2)
Browser Stats: 90.08% MSIE 6.0 - 4.06% Firefox 1.5.0 - 2.10% MSIE 5.0 - 1.75% Firefox 1.0.7 - 0.89% MSIE 5.5 - 0.38% MSIE 5.01 - 0.38% MSIE 5.23 - 0.16% Firefox 1.0.1 - 0.08% Opera 8.51 - 0.05% Safari 1.2 - 0.03% Netscape 7.1 - 0.03% Firefox 1.0 - 0.03% Mozilla 5.0
Quick, post a link to your site so I can make lynx skyrocket up those charts! I should at least pass IE 5.5 by lunch tomorrow.
While I'm at it, what OSes would you like to see more of? Atari? CP/M? Goodbye Windows ME, hello Tenex and Mult
i have a bad feeling (Score:2)
Sooo.... (Score:5, Funny)
Dell: But it's so sudden.... I love your earnings and advertising potential, but how do I know it not just my desktop you're after?
Google: I understand your fears, baby, but here's a wad of cash to smooth things over. And a prenup drafted just so our breakup won't be so bloody.
Dell: Wait, you're not interested in making and nurturing a family with me? And you're already thinking of our divorce?
Google: Weren't you?
Dell: Actually, I was. Sorry. Aww, you came ready with the prenup, how nice of you. Let me run it by legal first.
Google: Sure baby. [mutters] You're goin' down, Bill Microsoft.
Dell: [mutters] Our kids would've been hideous. Might as well take the money and run.
I was watching soap yesterday, involuntarily. Spare me.
How is that news? (Score:1)
trivial nitpick (Score:4, Interesting)
Pairing with Dell. Paring with Dell makes it sound like they're making pies.
Mmmmm. Googledell pie.
Re:trivial nitpick (Score:1)
Dude, you're like, *huff*, gettin' a googooggooogelldelll.
We better be carefull (Score:1)
but seriously
google has an obnoxious lead on the tech world...i really wouldn't be supirsed if they're working on some kind of operating system....or death ray machine aimed at M$ headquarters....this sounds a little bit too much like the book 1984... google IS big brother oh boy....are we in for it now
Google IS working on an OS (Score:1)
Re:We better be carefull (Score:1)
Ira
Dinosaurs mating? (Score:2, Insightful)
But hey, the world is a big spinning carousel -- and here we are again.
Re:Dinosaurs mating? (Score:1)
Life Day . . . renew, renew.
I for one welcome our new hyphenated overlords (Score:1)
Hyphens are good - just look at what a wonderful company Exxon-Mobil or Texaco-whatever is now.
ExxonMobil (Score:2)
Re:ExxonMobil (Score:1)
What about Royal Dutch Shell mGBH? Do I have to call it by its full name, or can I just say Shell?
Hyphens are good.
Re:ExxonMobil (Score:1)
GEMAYA is coming (Score:1)
-goog v everyone [webpronews.com]
Re:GEMAYA is coming (Score:2)
Obligatory (Score:2)
Can a non conglemeration small biz still break into the Ad Revenue Racket? Only If you partner up with one of these GIANTS of TECHNOLOGY.
Remember when it wasn't all about the advertising? Yeah me either.
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It's the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny (Score:2)
Could we possibly have a bigger beat-up about so little? This breathlessly fawning article summary makes it sounds like the next version of The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny [ultimateshowdown.org]. I can just see the words now...
Old Google was hopping around
San Francisco like a big playground
Suddenly Ballmer jumped into the air
and hit Google with an office chair
Re:It's the Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny (Score:2)
Don't underestimate the Dell-Google deal. (Score:2)
Let's see, the Mozilla Foundation received something in the 7 figure territory [calacanis.com] last year from Google. Since Dell sells way more desktops than Firefox has users, plus this deal (probably) includes the Google toolbar which is far more valu