Do You Still Find Amateur Radio Interesting? 205
Marcos Eliziario asks: "Soon, I'll be taking the exams for a Brazilian, Class-D, Ham Radio license (Equivalent to an American Technician License) and, as I was reading about the subject, I wondered what today's geek thinks about amateur radio. In the past, Ham Radio was very popular among nerds, however with the Internet boom it seems that interest on radio, among the younger generations, is becoming dimmer each day. A lot of cool things can be done with radio, like building your own equipment, digital modes (btw, few people know that Packet Radio was born on the amateur's rank), and long distance contacts. The gear is cool, there's a lot of things to be learned about propagation, and today's Hams even use satellites to talk. Do you think that we could see a renaissance of Ham Radio among 21st century techies?"
Yes. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Yes. (Score:2)
73s de VE3HYP
Re:Yes. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Yes. (Score:5, Insightful)
The way I see it, there are five classes of individuals who have historically been interested in ham radio. These four classes are not mutually exclusive, and I am in all five of them.
First, there are folks who want to meet people and chat. These folks now have the internet, and have gradually withdrawn from ham radio.
Second, there are folks who want to be able to make phone calls away from a landline. Traditionally, this has been done via a phone patch. Cell phones are now dirt cheap, so these folks have gradually withdrawn from ham radio. As a result, there are also fewer phone patches than there used to be.
Third, there are folks who want some form of intra-family communications. These folks would get their entire household licenced historically. Now these folks either get cell phones, or FRS or GMRS radios, or in some rare cases, MURS or CB radios, and so these folks have (need I say it?) gradually withdrawn from ham radio.
Fourth, there are folks who generally love radio. These folks will never leave ham radio because playing with radios is fun (which is the real answer to your question).
Fifth and finally, there are the ever-prepared crowd. These folks will do whatever they feel they need to in order to make themselves stable and useful in the event that social order breaks down for some reason or other.
ham radio limitations (Score:3, Interesting)
Even if you had the license and radio to make a call throught the "phone patch", you couldn't order a pizza, it would be technically illegal, along with anything that could be considered "commerce". And "no encryption" meant not being able to use "packet radio" for something as simple as personal email without literally broadcasting it publicly. No thanks.
If a few channels of Amateur bandwidth were liber
Re:ham radio limitations (Score:4, Insightful)
Since you can do both of those using a commercial cell-phone and SMS, why would you want to take away amateur radio bandwith to duplicate what you can already do using a cell-phone?
Re:Yes. (Score:3, Interesting)
Just looking at the pictures i
Re:Yes. (Score:3, Interesting)
Just looking at the pictures in the ham radio books demonstrates that this hobby's high point passed back in the 70s. Read some QST magazines: yawn. So until I stumble upon someone local who's roughly my age (30s), I'm unlikely to actively participate. Back in the day the geeks were into radios, but now they're into the internet, so I predict ham radio will continue it's slow decline.
Well, I'm in my mid-30s and I don't let the age difference get in my way. There are at least two hams under 20 that I kn
Re:Interesting? No. Important? Yes. (Score:2)
Obviously you've never seen actual on-air Morse copy. Spelling is no more an issue on CW than it is in txting.
JST SND GUD CPY ES EVRYTHING WILL OK HI HI
73 DE K3XS
Nope, my license lapsed (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Nope, my license lapsed (Score:2)
Depends... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Depends... (Score:5, Informative)
This assumes you live close enough to a population center with folks to talk to, but that isn't a big deal in most areas. From there you can decide if you want to branch out into longer-distance communications.
Re:Depends... (Score:2)
I see licensing requirements have radically changed since 1990, esp. in Canada. Before it was such a pain in the ass. Learn to send & receive morse code (which isn't trivial, but not super hard either), study like hell for the tests, pay the test fee and hope you pass the first time, then get to spend your f
Re:Depends... (Score:2)
I should have been more specific. There are now cell phones with walkie-talkie like features including the ability to connect a group of cell phone users in to a single walkie-talkie "frequency". The commercials for that feature up here in Canada are hilarious.
The point is that commercial off-the-shelf technology is taking over the features that ham analog has alway
Amateur radio interesting (Score:5, Interesting)
Exactly! (Score:3, Interesting)
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Do You Still Find Amateur Radio Interesting? (Score:2)
No. Most Slashdotters are under fifty, I think.
Next week's topic: Are Star Wars references still cool?
Re: Do You Still Find Amateur Radio Interesting? (Score:2)
LoL But not all of us. Personally I think most technology is cool. EM theory is fun, and the buzzword coefficient is pretty high (how many of you know what a directional discontinuity ring radiator is? How many of you know it's too big to be a sex toy?) and antenna theory is monstorously cool. But I thought that the Intel 4004 was cool too, because you could express a hex digit all at once. Spacecraft are cool. Varactors are cool. Longwires are definite
Re: Do You Still Find Amateur Radio Interesting? (Score:2)
I have to disagree with you on this one. They are far too high noise for interesting receiving circuits (unless I've missed newer low noise ones). Give me a nice big set of plates any day. Now, I'll be the first to admit that the semiconductor theory behind them is cool and the ability to make VCF's and other circuits out of them is pretty neat - but as a serious device? Unless you're going for miniturization, they suck.
LPG-30 (Score:2)
Sad, but true (Score:2)
daditdada di ditditdit (Score:2, Interesting)
Amateur Radio and satellites (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Amateur Radio and satellites (Score:2)
It is not what you do, but how you do it. Anyone can talk to someone on the other side of the Planet through the internet, but the challenge of Amateur Radio is communicating half way around the world through radio (be it 20M, 40M, 80M, satellite, whatever). I'm not saying that Amateur Radio is for everyone, but the fun is in the challenge, not just the results.
DE WB3IZT
When all else fails... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:When all else fails... (Score:4, Insightful)
Yep, I ragchew all the time to/from work. I have a 45 minute commute. The time on the road (and time in traffic jams) generally breezes by. The topics vary, but it's always interesting conversation.
For those who say: "I can do the same thing on my cell phone", let me ask you this? How much does your 1800 minute per month plan cost? Mine costs $0. Plus, I'm usually chatting (rountable style) with more than three people. I never heard of Four or Five Way Calling on a cell phone plan.
73 and I'm QRT
No. (Score:3, Insightful)
It's more fun to frag someone in Quake then drop some smack in context.
My uncle had all his ham licenses when I was a kid. I was 9 and didn't see why it was fun then either. Looking back, it kind of seems like lame social networking for geeks.
Your *non-lame* suggestion is...? (Score:2)
Keywords: "geeks", "lame social networking"...there's another kind? Something non-lame like myspace or IRC or texting or FPS taunting post-frag or masquerading as a female in a chat room or...?
Re:Your *non-lame* suggestion is...? (Score:2)
Since when is myspace or texting geeky? It's more OMGPONIES!!!11111-ish.
Re:No. (Score:3, Insightful)
If it weren't for Amateur Radio, I would have never met Bdale Garbee, prior to his becoming the Debian Project Leader, or any of the other great folks who are Hams.
no (Score:5, Interesting)
Things are totally different now. Not only is the internet a free way to communicate (free as in zero dollars per minute), but you can actually communicate with people on the internet about -- get this -- anything you like! In other words, you're not just having these stilted, stylized conversations about what your rig is.
--KB6ZD
Re:no (Score:2)
Conversations around here run the gamut from Politics, to computers, to spaceflight, to yeah... rigs.
You're right, many hams do only talk about boring things -- just like in a crowded Christmas party, you're bound to find some people talking about boring things, and if you're like me -- you'll gravitate away to a more interesting discussion.
Yes! (Score:2, Funny)
Probably not (Score:4, Interesting)
On the outskirts of geekdom, you have people like yourself who are interested in ham radios or model trains or paper airplanes. These will pretty much always be niche geek markets because they just don't have the glamour that and visibility that the mainstream geek lifestyle provides.
Which is not to say that there aren't merits to these peripheral geek lifestyles. Ham radios, in particular, are very useful in times of crisis and crises rely on people with a sense of responsibility and social acuity. Typical geeks, if that is who you are trying to interest, are the exact opposite type of people to bring into the ham radio flock.
But be sure that what you are interested in is non-mainstream geekery. Just because something requires technical ability, it does not follow that it requires a geek to manage it. Somethings are just technically difficult and not geeky at all.
Ham radio is definitely geeky, though.
Re:Probably not (Score:2)
Re:Probably not (Score:2)
There is no such thing as a mainstream geek lifestyle until Ikea comes up with a furniture collection to match it. I'll keep a lookout for the Gïk line of products. The instructions for these are probably written in Klingon.
ob mst3k reference (Score:2, Funny)
Crow: Roger.
Servo: Ramjet.
Mike: All right, fire extinguishers?
Servo: Empty.
Crow: Shot them off in your face. Next.
Mike: Okay. Flare gun?
Servo: Ibid.
Crow: Shot them off in your face. Next.
Mike: Right. First aid kit?
Servo: Used it to treat your flare burns.
Mike: Right. Parachute?
Crow: Gym class.
Mike: Okay, life vest?
Servo: Falsies.
Mike: HAM radio?
Crow: Mistook it for an actual
Hell yes! (Score:2)
Get the ticket. There's a lot out there.
Someday... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Someday... (Score:2)
lol man, people will rather use PGP encryption with 2048 bit keys for everything they do rather than use ham radio. ham radio users are like Atari 2600 players, there will always be some but there will never be more.
My Story (Score:4, Interesting)
That said, I've been learning morse code since Christmas and I intend to take the code test next month (the next time my local club offers the test). I'm going to order an Elecraft K2 and I'm quite excited. CW is so much more interesting than FM Voice. It takes skill, it has a challenge, and you I can hear letters and words in the series of beeps. Plus you can use it to talk to people all over the world. I'm especially excited because the K2 is a big electronics kit. The fact is once you get past a few blinking LED kits and such there are just no electronic kits to build that take any skill.
I find it kind of interesting, but I can see why some people don't think it's terribly interesting. Many of the things that used to make ham radio so interesting (being able to talk to people across the country or the world for free) are no longer unique (thanks to the internet and basically free long-distance calling).
It's too bad eHam has been down for 2 days (at least). I've wanted to post on their message board but I can't (since... it's down). I don't suppose anyone knows why?
Re:My Story (Score:5, Interesting)
If you look up last Sunday's Fox Trot comic strip, you'll see Jason tap dancing. In the last panel he is telling his friend Marcus that he didn't get into the talent show because one of the judges knew morse code. It was so cool for me to be able to figure out what the message was ("Some day I will rule you all") without having to go to a translator program on the internet.
Lots of people know Spanish, or French, or other such things. Morse code is a true geek language.
Encoding vs. Language (Score:2)
I have used morse code, since 1990 in fact. But strictly speaking, Morse code is just an encoding. Here, watch this:
FB OM UR 599 HR ES TX FER FB QSO K
There is no morse code there. There are no dots and dashes. What you are looking at is ASCII encoding of a lot of prosigns and abbreviations that a
hams are more important now than ever before (Score:3, Interesting)
I've learned more in the last 6 months about RF theory than I did in my previous 33 years of life combined. And looking ahead I see I still have quite a lot to learn.
Once I've broken in my soldering iron learning to make a few different kinds of antennas for my radio, I'm looking forward to buidling a couple of APRS rigs. One for my car, the other for my All Terrain Vehicle. I might even put one in my backpack for when I'm out backpacking in the mountains and my family is worried about me being alone in the wilderness. They will be able to follow my progress.
I find out about severe weather conditions before the mass media can report it. Indeed, it is radio amateurs that provide the weather service with early warnings of approaching dangerous weather patterns. Living in the hurricane belt, and an area not unknown for springtime tornadoes, this is valuable to me.
Of course when the storms hit, and the public infrastructure goes down (including internet, cell phones, land lines) I can still communicate with people in and out of my immediate area.
As our world becomes more and more dependent on technological infrastructure, I think it is that much more important to preserve and grow the amateur radio service to be there as a fallback for when all of those other communications mediums fail (and they do, frighteningly often). During 9/11 attacks it was radio amateurs providing communications capabilities to the first responders in Manhatten. During the major power blackout in the northeastern US a few years back, it was radio amateurs that passed emergency communications reliably. During the rescue efforts following hurricanes Katrina and Rita, it was radio amateurs coordinating emergency communications between all of the different rescue groups involved. Despite all of this newfangled technology we enjoy today, it only works when things are going well. When things aren't going well, we still need radio.
Not particularly. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Not particularly. (Score:2)
Nothing like the fun of public databases! Looks like you have less than 2 weeks before your license runs out.
Re:Not particularly. (Score:2)
You spent the effort to take the tests and get the license. You should respect the work you did in the past. While you may have found that your interest in ham radio has waned, there is no telling what the future may bring where it might be useful or interesting to you again.
I have been a ham for 25 years. The technical knowledge I have gleaned has stayed with me and opened a few unexpected doors for me.
Re:Not particularly. (Score:2)
KC5UVV 2006-06-05 ANDERSON B GLOVER, WACO, TX
then it expires next month on the 5th.
To renew you just have to complete a form and maybe pay a bit of cash... it's been a couple years since I renewed and I don't recall if there was a charge but I doubt they would do anything for free so most likely there is.
Yes it is (Score:2)
The challenge is that people dont have the time or interest for the learning curve necessary.
Do you want to talk or learn about electronics? (Score:2)
Re:Do you want to talk or learn about electronics? (Score:2)
Not necessarily true. There's a lot of interest, but it's widely-dispersed. You may not hear people talking about designing a homemade spectrum analyzer on your local 2M repeater, but that doesn't mean they're not out there [yahoo.com].
And somebody must be building all tho
gnuradio (Score:5, Interesting)
Once things move along it would be nice to have a portable gnuradio hardware that could interface to a PDA for HT uses.
The Short Answer (Score:2)
Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)
HAM (Score:2)
Let me answer some questions that weren't specifically in the title article, but that I went through in the same process (as I was getting ready to get rid of radio gear I hadn't used in years).
Practical use?
- Commmunications when commercial options are non-existent, suck or unavailable, such as major storms, hurricanes, terrorist attacks, the boonies. These darn radios will work fine during nasty storms, over hundreds of miles no problem. You'd be
In a word, no. (Score:2)
There are a small number of hams doing interesting stuff, like working on optimal modulation strategies for data over HF, but there aren't many. And the ones that do that typically are designing cell phones as their day job.
I'd say "yes," conditionally... (Score:5, Interesting)
That's a shame, because there is still some really-interesting stuff happening on the fringes. For the technically inclined, eBay has made it possible to obtain equipment and components for Amateur "homebrewing" that major military/commercial labs were damned lucky to have in the 70s and 80s. It is hard to overemphasize how cool that is. Even most hams don't realize that they can own better RF equipment and components than NASA had when they launched Voyager and Pioneer.
Ham radio gives you a great framework for engagement with every technology from software-defined radio to microwave communications to precision timekeeping. Build that DC-to-daylight receiver you've always wanted... the one the Feds won't let you buy off the shelf. Run your own "Amateur Deep Space Network" receiver site [free-online.co.uk], or communicate with other people all over the world by bouncing your signal off the Moon. There is still more cool stuff to learn and do in Amateur Radio than you will ever have time to tackle... if you don't fall into the trap of thinking it's all a bunch of old farts carrying walkie-talkies around for no good reason. Like lawyers, 98% of hams give the rest a bad name.
There are a few links on my site (in the comment header) to various homebrew/experimental projects, but most of them are broken at the moment due to a hosting move that's taking way longer than it was supposed to. Anyone interested in the technical side of things is welcome to email me for advice and indoctrination.
In short: some parts of ham radio have benefitted tremendously from the advent of the Internet; but yeah, it's also true that many of the other aspects are less relevant than ever. You get out of the hobby what you're willing to put into it.
Re:I'd say "yes," conditionally... (Score:2, Interesting)
Ham radio is dead. It is not cutting-edge. It is not exciting. It is not a viable or useful communications medium except in a state of emergency, where despite everyone's best efforts, government communication falls on its face during a disaster.
And the ONLY reason that the government systems still fall on their face is that, even with expensive plug-boards like the JPS ACU-1000, they're
Re:I'd say "yes," conditionally... (Score:2)
Definitely some valid points; I won't defend
Re:I'd say "yes," conditionally... (Score:2)
But in all that posting, you didn't even lead the reader to think that you even TRIED using HAM radio for more than a couple minutes.
Most of the times, I see hams talking on their radios more about being hams than about anything useful. Such-and-such repeater is acting up, So-and-so's ratty homebuilt antenna took damage in yesterday's wind, would you please show up early and make the coffee for the weekly radio club meeting this Thursday, I'm standing in the park in $towntwentymilesaway talking
Re:I'd say "yes," conditionally... (Score:2)
Back in the day kids where into model airplanes. You had a many kids flying free flight and later control line models. Now you can fly carbon fiber jets! Well you can if you have $10,000 to spend. The nice thing is that now there are some inexpensive RC planes comming on the market. Maybe that will help get young people interested again.
Take a look at the cost of some of the high end HAM rigs? Y
Amateur Radio interesting (Score:2)
Good question. As someone who is a HAM radio operator, and has been around computers for longer than I have held a HAM license, I would have to say YES. In many ways HAM radio is more interesting to me than computers are.
I am not a gamer, or a programmer. I use computers as a tool in my profession, but am not so enamored over them as to let them consume my free time. I used to do a lot of hardware hacking, on older mainframes and then minis (DECs, Data General Nov
Old form no/new form yes (Score:2)
Slightly off topic, But... (Score:2)
Nope (Score:2)
1) No practical use.
2) Redundant in emergencies
3) Taking up valuable bandwidth
4) User complains slowing down adoption of actual useful technologies like BPL
5) For hobby, there are tons of free internet solutions. Skype anyone?
Now, I'll admit that I'm taking a wild stab at #2. I assume that in actual emergencies, emergency personnel rely on other radio equipment than HAM, but I'm just taking a guess. But I think the other ones are pretty solid (save number one if number two is fals
Maybe a new amateur mode is needed? (Score:3, Interesting)
IP over radio. I mean, sure, we have wi-fi repeaters, etc., but there are so many other cool things to do with IP over radio. And considering the fun (and interest) people have in hacking wi-fi, it reminds me of the fun ham operators had. Maybe it's time to create a pure digital license? Create a low-cost digital packet radio that some one could build at home for a $100 worth of parts or less.
When the corporations start locking down the Internet, IP-Ham could become the next big thing for geeks. Heh, makes the idea of getting SPAM over an IP-Ham connection sound even funnier.
Re:Maybe a new amateur mode is needed? (Score:2)
Re:Maybe a new amateur mode is needed? (Score:2)
PSK31 & sound cards (Score:3, Informative)
Remember all the excitement over PSK31 [bi.ehu.es]? It was the first taste of what people could do with a sound card and the processing power of even a crummy computer. I first ran it on a Pentium 233MMX (my 486/66 couldn't quite do it). With Linux, of course. :-)
People have now built stripped down little radios [amqrp.org] that plug in to a sound card and use software to make all sorts of interesting noises.
I'd be surprised if even one ham in 1000 could tell you exactly how PSK31 works, but that's other matter...
...laura
Sure do! (Score:2)
I enjoy all the different things you can do, like building antennas, aprs, weather stations, etc. Fun hobby, but it can get expensive.
Packet got me going! (Score:3, Interesting)
I got really interested in KA9Q TCP/IP packet operation, including variants like JNOS, and it's what probably launched me in understanding TCP/IP networking--obviously very useful today. I always waited and waited for native Windows TCP/IP packet drivers. You know, install a driver, hook up a serial-connected TNC, configure the settings, and voila, packet-based networking. Problem is that it never happened--(at least I don't think it did. Does anyone know of native Windows drivers (XP, preferably) that would facilitate TCP/IP packet connectivity?)
Though TCP/IP was considered the "icing" on the preverbial cake, interestingly, setting up simple digipeaters, local nodes, and packet BBS's were so simple and very fun. It was just amazing to be able to wirelessly connect to other computers in the area.
Probably the most exciting event was actually hearing a packet station in space! I honestly can't remember if it was MIR or a shuttle mission, but I do remember getting an copying the ID text. Very exciting!
I always hoped that someone would market a multi-band handheld HT that incorporated a TNC with a keyboard that would let me have a truely portable packet radio system. I think Kenwood still has a model or two with an integrated TNC, but it's quite pricy, and I don't know how input works....
Anyway, Ham radio filled a technological niche for me at a time when I was ripe for wireless data communication. Unfortunatly, the Internet reared it's head, and my packet radio days eventually faded. I still have my 2m HT, TNC, and software. I've been thinking lately of setting it up again to see what it'll do.
Re:Packet got me going! (Score:3, Informative)
SV2AGW wrote something that does what you were interested in. I have not personally looked at it, but I hear it works.
It seems like more of the software-homebrewing amateurs were active in the Linux world, where it is easier to create something like this. Packet radio is a part of the Linux kernel, although it seems to be non-maintained for a long time and could drop out.
Very much alive and well (Score:2)
http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/ [gnu.org]
Not to mention all the GHz experimental work, digital modes experimentation, Earth Moon Earth transmission and you can still do new fundamental research into ELF natural phenomenon, build your own radio telescope - all done with gear developed by and for radio amateurs.
Of course the mainstream is more like stamp collecting by cb radio - a competition to work two way communication
Which well-known geeks are/were hams? (Score:2)
I know I've heard a few famous geeks mention their early Amateur Radio
interests and/or activities, eg, on some of the talks that are archived
at:
http://itconversations.com/ [itconversations.com]
I don't remember them all, but one of Cliff Stoll's MP3's (on that site)
goes into a bit of detail on his using Ham Radio skills to build a hand-
held radar-based speed-gun (after speeding cars run down a little girl's
Re:Which well-known geeks ... ? CORRECTION (Score:2)
Cliff Stoll's talks didn't come from ItConversations.com...
rather from (now defunct) TechNatCast.com, which preceded it.
"How soon we forget..."
Yes, Ham Radio is Fun and interesting (Score:2, Informative)
The need of ham operators (Score:2)
what today's geek thinks about amateur radio? ... Do you think that we could see a renaissance of Ham Radio among 21st century techies?
Well such renaissance is already happening with Wifi: people doing COTS ad-hoc networks, wardriving etc. Many of these people are radio amateurs and the opening of the ISM band has just made it much cheaper to buy the equipment. The experimental frontier spirit is still strong. More traditional RA stuff has also benefited from the internet. People are hooking up VHF/UHF r
Yes, even when I don't work on the "bleeding edge" (Score:2)
While there is plenty of fun to be had playing around with digital modes and microwaves (and I played a lot with packet in the early 90s), I spend my whole workweek dealing with modern electronics and digital doodads, and I find great enjoyment in working with the technologies of the past.
Still find it interesting (Score:2, Interesting)
There are lots of sub groups to the ho
yeah, I'm getting back in (Score:2)
Why don't you ask this about Sailing, etc? (Score:3, Interesting)
are a bit like folks who sail.
They're doing something that has roots way back in time.
Eg, using Morse Code (radiotelegraphy = CW mode) on radio
is akin to sailing without an engine...
both "modes" depend on technologies developed years ago.
Now, who ever asks folks who sail
whether Sailing is "still" interesting?
(It must be; otherwise, sailboat, etc. would never sell...)
Why should this article's question be asked ONLY of Radio Hams' hobby?
Perhaps telecoms or other [would-be] big spectrum users
would like to push Hams from their allocated frequencies.
Re:Why don't you ask this about Sailing, etc? (Score:3, Insightful)
An excellent point. Here are the rhetorical questions I use to try to explain the appeal of amateur radio to non-hams:
"Why does anyone spend huge amounts of money on a fishing boats and fishing equipment, when they can just buy a fish at the grocery store?"
"Why do people go horseback riding, when a car would get them where they want to go, faster and more comfortably?"
Amateur radio is a hobby. Like most hobbies, it's not meant to be practical (though it can sometimes come in handy during emergencies).
To be honest - sort of (Score:3)
For example - there are extra class hams who don't like other extra class hams because of the 5 wpm requirement. There are still hams who don't like or will not talk to no-code techs. What drives me nuts is these guys seem to be the most active so your more likely to run into these people online.
So for that I really haven't done much with it in a while.
Somewhat (Score:2)
No in that I don't really care to chat on VHF/UHF repeaters or 80 meter nets. When I go to a hamfest, I'd say that 80% of the hams there are people I really am not interested in knowing or being associated with. I'm not a big fan of the ARRL and hate the way that so many hams insist that "the league" is the hobby.
Yes in that I really enjoy some aspects. I have a great local ham club where I can go to a meeting and see 20+ people that I'm proud to associate with. The whole room isn't filled wi
In short (Score:2)
In other words, if you want to do anything *really* interesting with ham, don't plan to have time to do or bu
Wish I understood the tech (Score:2)
Re:Wish I understood the tech (Score:2)
Second, the same site has a simple [radiosky.com] description of a radio telescope. It notes that while you basically get an amplitude graph by pointing at the same direction in the sky as the Eart
Yes, it's still interesting (Score:2)
But it is sadly true that in the US interest in CW has declined precipitously. If I tune across the CW end of 20 metres during a work day, there will usually be only one or two signals from the US (at least that's all I hea
IRLP (Score:2)
I want it to be interesting (Score:3, Insightful)
We are surrounded, indeed, inundated with technology, but for the vast majority of people, their only interest is to consume it. They don't care how it works. Hams care how things work.
You can do some incredibly cool things with ham radio, and my ham background (VE7LDH) has served me well in my work (telecommunications). But as an active ham? I haven't attended a ham club meeting in years. The same old grey haired people (almost all men), the same old cliques, the same old conversations (many of which were more about computers than ham radio anyway). Too many throwbacks stuck in the Good Old Days of the 1950s. Transistors? DSP? What's that?
AMSAT [amsat.org] has enormous geek potential, but in my entire involvement with ham radio (since 1993) the party line has been "give us more money and maybe some day we'll launch the super-duper satellite of your dreams". They launched one, all-but-bankrupted the organization doing it, it worked for a while, then it partially stopped working, then it packed up completely. Now they're back in Give Us Money mode.
I want ham radio to be interesting. I think it's a great incubator for techies. Real in-depth geeks, not techie-as-fashion-statement. But at the moment, I'm not finding it as interesting as I'd like to. I think that's a shame. I wonder what happened.
...laura
Headed elsewhere... (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, limiting the question to "Ham Radio" is too specific. The HF frequency has been historically the most interesting, because of it's unique propogation. These days, that worldwide propogation simply isn't as desirable as it used-to be.
OTOH, communications in other frequencies have skyrocketed. Digital Satellite TV/Radio/Internet cover most of the planet. Cell towers are going up everywhere. Wireless communications with 802.11 is incredibly popular, and some cities are being fully covered. Digital terrestrial TV/Radio promise to seriously increase the number of people recieving transmissions via the airwaves. et al.
So, while voice communications over HF seem to be declining, I expect you'll see most people refocusing their efforts in higher frequency digital communications. 802.11 certainly has the potential to bring the same kind of community aspect (and do-it-yourself improvents) as Ham has, except it will be digital content of every kind, including music and high-def videos, not just voice communications.
Re:the listening's the issue (Score:2, Insightful)
That being said, I'm a licensed (Tech +) ham, and I havn't touched anything ham related in a few years. Yes, HF is cool, talking to people around the world, morse code, using 5W to talk to Russia... but the fact of the matter is those things take a) time b) money and c) space. It used to be kids who got interested in things like that and then grew u
Re:the listening's the issue (Score:2, Informative)
You won't pick up all the frequencies that hams broadcast on, but you will hear plenty of local traffic. One can't just turn to
Re:the listening's the issue (Score:2)
is gone in Canada... They changed to "The Source/La Source" [digitalhomecanada.com]... The only store in Montreal that still sells anything close to Ham stuff is Active [active-tech.ca]...
So the idea of buying a scanner, while a good idea, is almost impossible here... I haven't seen any in my entire life (except in auctions or HAM conventions)
Re:Remote antenna use via the net? (Score:2)
Re:Remote antenna use via the net? (Score:2)
You will want to run a low powered rig to
Re:Radio? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Radio? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:YES (Score:2)