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New Apple Campaign Target PC Flaws 819

sodul writes"Apple just started a new campaign to emphasize the advantages of Mac versus a regular tasteless PC. The ads represent a young cool looking man (Mac) and a white collar in his 40's (not cool, PC). In one of the ads the PC repeat itself several times because it had to reboot. In an other one (and maybe the most aggressive of all) PC is sick because of a virus, while Mac is healthy. You can watch the new spots on Apple's site "
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New Apple Campaign Target PC Flaws

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  • ah... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by joe 155 ( 937621 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:24AM (#15245021) Journal
    now it all makes sense why MSN was running the other day with a story about how macs are not secure and will cause you to get viruses etc... they must have got wind of this early. Its a shame I'll never get to see these adds on TV though, the Advertising Standards Agency wouldn't let them air, they recently blocked a mac advert because it said that the CPU's job in a PC was boring... : S... I wasn't aware that CPU's could really get bored
  • by cypherz ( 155664 ) * on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:27AM (#15245051)
    Do you own an Intel Mac? Seems like lots of people who make the PC==Mac argument don't own an Intel Mac. I'm not attacking you, I'm just wondering. I ordered a MBP yesterday (can't wait till it gets here!) so I'm not going to comment on the hardware yet. I know that my iMac G5 is *much* better constructed than any PC I've owned (or built for that matter). Just because two computers share the same chipset, does that really make them equal? For my part, the jury is still out.

  • by Wabbit Wabbit ( 828630 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:33AM (#15245097)
    I'd mod you up if I could.
  • by pubjames ( 468013 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:36AM (#15245130)
    Hate campaigns don't work? Well look at Microsoft's current campaign, they aren't criticizing their competitors, they are criticising you. You're a dinosaur. It's been running for quite a while so I guess they think it's effective. Unfortunately I think in the longer term it could backfire, as seen for instance in a recent cartoon in the Economist portraying MS as a dinosaur.
  • by cypherz ( 155664 ) * on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:41AM (#15245183)
    I think you're absolutely correct about Apples marketshare in homes. Most of the hardcore Unix/Linux guys I know and have worked with over the last 20 years or so have switched to Apple gear in the last 5 years. I realize that my experience is limited to geeks, but in many companies geeks influence the descisions that less knowlegeable peers make. Careful geek-watching can inform one about future trends in computing.
    So from where I'm standing, it looks like Unix geeks are switching to OS X on Apple hardware for home use. At work, in a surprising turn of events, we're looking at buying a bunch of Apple's Xserve gear to build our SAN. Don't know if it'll happen, but the fact that it's being considered is pretty darn exciting.
  • by boxlight ( 928484 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:54AM (#15245330)
    I'll let others flame you about the start menu and shortcut keys (If you want MacOS to behave exactly like Windows, why not just use Windows?) but:

    Mac OS is great because it's looks better and feels better than Windows. Just like a Mercedes is better than an Chevy. But send a Chevy driver on a test drive in a Mercedes that has a joystick instead of a steering wheel, and a the gas and brake pedals reversed, and it will not be a happy test drive.

    If Apple wants Windows users to switch, they have to stop sticking to their guns on the "Apple way" of doing things -- Command-C instead of Ctrl-C is a perfect example -- and at least offer new users the option of choosing Windows-style key combinations. It's a simple matter of appealing to the pre-conditioned users they want to sell to.

    As for the start menu -- Apple did user-switching better than Windows, Apple could do a Start Menu better than windows -- I would *love* for Apple to make a better "start menu" than sits as the left-most Dock icon, or maybe a Dashboard widget. Just because it's in Windows doesn't mean it isn't useful -- and it shouldn't be hard for those Apple geniuses to do it one better.

    a) Right-clicking should work the same as ctrl-clicking.

    Not always. I right-click on stuff all the time, but don't get the pop-up -- have to ctrl-click. Don't have an example cause I'm not in front of my Mac right now, but there's definate inconsistencies there.

    b) MacOS doesn't have "windows-style "uninstall" functionality" because uninstalling is trivial.

    Whhoooww! Hold on there chief. It most certainly is NOT! I installed Parallel and Adobe Creative Suite CS 2 on my new Mac, and unintalling was a nightmare! I had to run UNIX commands and hunt down configuration files all over the place to clean that stuff on my Mac.

    Many non-trivial applications install system stuff and create directories all over the place. Real "uninstall" support would provide a wizard/assistant that would remove those things for you. Mac software is *surprisely* deficient in this respect.

    Still love my Mac,

    boxlight
  • by Turmio ( 29215 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:58AM (#15245376) Homepage
    Does Apple think a mac is a supercomputer?

    At least in the past they did: http://www.architosh.com/news/1999-08/0831-supperc .phtml [architosh.com]
  • by the phantom ( 107624 ) * on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @11:19AM (#15245627) Homepage
    Again, I must respectfully disagree.

    My mother had been using Windows for years. Two years ago, she was looking for a new computer for her email and internet usage, because her Win2k box was virtually dead from virii and spyware. I told her she ought to get a Mac, she was convinced by a salesman to buy a Linux box for $300. She plugged that in and used it twice before giving up. She then went out and got a Mac Mini. At first, she was a little confused by it, but that only lasted a few days. Now, she really, really likes the application folder, because the "stupid menu doesn't go away if accidentally click in the wrong place." She never used keyboard shortcuts in the first place, and likes the menus across the top more than right-clicking. While this is only anecdotal, my mother is a ludite, and didn't get her first computer until 2000 or 2001. She seems to hate all things computer related, yet doesn't hate the Mac nearly as much as her Windows box.

    Yes, this is anecdotal. No, it is not statistically valid or significant. In that vein, let me add one more story:

    I work in an elementary school, running the computer lab, and maintaining the computers on campus. This year, many of the teachers were switched from Win98 to WinXP. This was hard for them. Icons were not in the same place. Certain behaviours were different. The OS looks different. I think that these people had as hard a time switching to XP as they would have to Mac. Again, I think that the issues that you raise are relatively trivial, and are the cost of switching from any one OS to any other.
  • by el_womble ( 779715 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @11:43AM (#15245890) Homepage
    I agree, Apple should lay off the bullsh1t. Windows XP works. Yes, it has some fundamentally stupid problems that we are all more than aware of, but hardware support, stability and ease of use arn't problems for Windows any more.

    No hunting for drivers? I lost days trying to get a Minolta Color printer to work. I still can't get a cheap webcam I've got to work, and the motor on my iFeel mouse doesn't work (although thats a feature). All of them worked on XP after following the same routine you use for all XP devices: insert CD, follow instructions, plug in device.

    Next years OS today? There are a lot of feature in OS X that I like, but the fact remains that it runs on the dog slow Mach kernel (not all progress is good) and silly little things like Finder hanging if you loose a connection to a network resource, a problem that was solved many years ago in other OSs. Is it better than XP? Depends what you're doing (my answer is 'yes' YMMV)

    114,000 Viruses on XP! There is nothing about OS X that makes it inherantly immune from viruses. Yes, it has a firewall, yes, it requires user intervention to install Applications, no it doesn't let you run macros directly from email application, and no, the web browswer isn't bolted onto the kernel but its still built on C and vulnerable to buffer overruns, and all macs tend to be used by the greatest threat to user data: end users. Its all about pay load and kudos to script kiddies and black hats. 3% market share just doesn't do it for them - who knows 5% might.

    Awesome out of the box? Yeah, I was chuffed to bits when I had to handover £20 to watch movies in full screen mode... but I guess thats been fixed now with Front Row. Questions that I've seen people ask when they get a Mac are:
        How do I cut and paste (because people use the toolbar icons and right click in windows (not keyboard short cuts, or the menu)).
        Where are my applications? A valid question. Clicking on Macintosh HD, followed by Applications or pressing Cmd-Shift-A are less intuitive for noobs than hitting the start button. I normally stick a link to the Applitions folder in the Dock for noobs.
        How do I make things full screen? Trying to explain to somebody that Apple HIG state that zooming is better than full screen tends to fall on deaf ears.

    Thats not awesome out the box, thats frickin scary.

    Let he who has no sin cast the first stone. I love my Mac, and I regularly recommend them to anyone who will listen, but I am not afraid to admit that they are less than perfect, and for the most part it makes no difference which system you use if all you do is email and web. Negative advertising like this leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
  • by Lewisham ( 239493 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @11:46AM (#15245915)
    I think there is this belief among Windows users that uninstallers uninstall all the things they install.

    These people are deluded. All the files are just *hidden* in folders you'd never guess.
  • by Hyperx_Man ( 936387 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @02:18PM (#15247397) Homepage
    I just bought a new Intel Imac, loaded it with 2 gigs of RAM. This is the 2 gigahertz version. Here are some of the things that I noticed: 1. When browsing my MP3 collection on my buffalo 1 terrabyte NAS (using SMB I guess), it would take 20 seconds for the window to show all the file names. This takes about 3 seconds on my 2.8 Gigahertz Intel HP Computer running Windows XP. Both computers were wired to a 1 gig netgear switch. 2. When opening firefox for the first time, it takes the mac 8 seconds to load. The PC loads it in 3 seconds. Not from cache, this is first load. 3. Trying to view CNN.com videos still doesnt work, no matter which browser I use. I have the correct plug-ins. It just says connecting (this is on the same LAN where my Windows XP machine loads the videos without any problems). 4. Spooling to my printer takes twice as long for the same PDF on the Mac as compared to my PC. 5. When I bought Microsoft Office for Mac, it came with Virtual PC. I was excited that I could get a VM session of windows in my mac, however I was quickly disapointed when I read it would not work on an Intel Mac. Money down the drain since MS doesnt have a roadmap on releasing this software, and once opened it was not returnable. 6. The system kept losing its blue tooth mouse. I eventually replaced it with a wired mouse since I like the scroll thingy better. 7. The Mac went to sleep many times, and would not wake up when I pressed the keyboard or moved the mouse. When I changed the mouse to a wired one, I could then wake the system up. 8. There is a new security update at least once every 2-3 days. Each update requires a reboot. Each major software install requires a reboot as well. I thought we were moving away from this? 9. Entourage email client would crash the mac all the time. I blame that on Microsoft, however, I am not impressed how one app can cause the entire system to freeze. When I called Apple, they said it was a connectivity issue. 10. When you insert a DVD into the MAC it takes 21 seconds for anything to happen (system to recognize there is something in the DVD drive). It takes 9 seconds using my Windows XP and Pioneer DVD recorder (this recorder is maybe 1 year old) Overall I find myself doing more on my Windows XP machine. I go to the Mac to manage my pictures and music on Itunes, however, daily operations, like newsgroups reading, writing up papers, browsing, I go back to the PC.
  • by blueZ3 ( 744446 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @02:57PM (#15247800) Homepage

    This is anecdotal, but this "XP is stable now" is something I'm not buying. Here goes:


    I have four boxes here in my office, a six-month-old, high-end Dell Windows box, my Powerbook, a Dell 2800 running VMware ESX Server, and a Dell 2800 running Ubuntu (crazy, I know, but the 2800 was what was available).

    • My servers only reboot when I need to document startup behavior. Since I'm doing work that involves explaining how to build drivers for ESX, which includes info on installing and starting ESX, that means an occasional reboot. Initiated by me. At this time, (after about six months) neither server has required a restart for any other reason.
    • My Powerbook has been rebooted three times since I bought it. Each time was after installing a system update for OSX.
    • The Windows XP box I reboot at least once a week. Sometimes this is because of an update. Usually it's because a progam locks up and refuses to be killed, and no, the Task Manager can't kill it either. When that happens, the only way to get the application to restart is to reboot, and since I can't do my job without email and publishing applications, I have to reboot. While this is obviously caused by the application, the OS should be able to kill any userland program completely.

    Windows XP may have eliminated the BSOD that we all love to mock, but "stable" it isn't, IME.

  • by Kadin2048 ( 468275 ) <.ten.yxox. .ta. .nidak.todhsals.> on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @04:22PM (#15248627) Homepage Journal
    Agreed. Also, recall that Windows isn't exactly the Land of Standardization when it comes to shortcuts for everything else.

    With a few exceptions, I can be guaranteed that any Mac app can have it's window closed with Command-W, quit by Command-Q, a new window created with Command-N, and hidden using Command-H. There are a ton of others, I could go on and on.

    On my Windows machine, I've never bothered to learn the shortcuts because they're mostly too complicated to save much time. (Except for the applications that have adopted Mac-like shortcuts, only replacing the Command key with Control, there are quite a few of these now.) I know of a bunch of programs that use Alt+F4 to close a window -- who the hell ever thought that was a good idea? I have to move my entire arm to do that.

    It's definitely Windows that could use some serious reconsideration of its shortcuts, dump a whole lot of cruft, and maybe get on par with what the MacOS has had for a while now.

    I could accept Apple perhaps offering an option in System Preferences somewhere to reverse the behavior of the Command and Control keys, for Windows users that really can't stand using their thumb to use hotkeys, but I think ultimately Apple has a strength in its use of hotkeys, and they realize this.

    Maybe the solution would just be to have keyboards that have a little switch on them for "PC compatibility mode" that swapped the keys (my KVMP switch does this, I use it to make my Linux machine more Mac-like, although I could probably do the same thing in software somewhere).
  • by IamTheRealMike ( 537420 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @05:25PM (#15249145)
    The funny thing is, just like most software is on Windows because people are too set in thier ways to learn OS X programming, so to are virus writers pretty comfortable with what they can do on Windows and don't want to really do much extra work. So macs are proteced by an inertia that should keep them pretty safe long after some arbitrarily large threshold of marketshare is reached.

    That's a pretty astonishing theory, and I don't believe it. We've already seen spyware that attacks Firefox, and it started at the about the 10% boundary. I see no reasons why virus writers, who as you say are in it for the money, would pass up the opportunity to get on up on their competitors by ignoring the Mac.

    I also don't see anything in the Mac that makes it technically more resistant to viruses than Windows. You don't need administrator access to do many of the things viruses/bots usually do, and the security system it inherited from FreeBSD is basically all they've got.

    Given that stock Linux, MacOS X and Windows are all equally crappy when it comes to security, all with "bolt-on" security systems designed in the 70s for a totally different threat model, I would be very hesitant with making any claims that Macs are more secure than PCs (which basically means MacOS is more secure than Windows). Right now they ALL suck! Apple have had more than their fair share of stupid exploits, often ones which worked in the same way as Windows exploits released months or years before.

    I'm putting my hopes in MAC security frameworks like SELinux and AppArmor ... I'm itching to get some spare time so I can experiment with hardening a system against malware/viruses/spyware threat profiles using them. My dissertation was on security, there's a whole lot more work that needs to be done before yet.

    I think this idiotic campaign will come back and them on the arse. Just like they used to claim Mac hardware was sooooooo "superior" and now basically sell PCs with a different OS and a different box, unless they come out with radical changes to MacOS and radical new research results they'll have to backpedal pretty badly in future.

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