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New Apple Campaign Target PC Flaws 819

sodul writes"Apple just started a new campaign to emphasize the advantages of Mac versus a regular tasteless PC. The ads represent a young cool looking man (Mac) and a white collar in his 40's (not cool, PC). In one of the ads the PC repeat itself several times because it had to reboot. In an other one (and maybe the most aggressive of all) PC is sick because of a virus, while Mac is healthy. You can watch the new spots on Apple's site "
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New Apple Campaign Target PC Flaws

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  • Re:Doesn't work (Score:5, Informative)

    by EccentricAnomaly ( 451326 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:37AM (#15245154) Homepage
    I'm not an expert on commercials

    Well the PC guy (John Hodgman) is an expert. He's the daily show's resident expert and the author of "The Areas of my Expertise". Which was reviewd on slashdot [slashdot.org] and by the Onion [avclub.com].
  • by George Beech ( 870844 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:39AM (#15245164)
    Apple has had NetBoot and Network Install [apple.com] since at least 10.2 Server (Possibly earlier, I wasn't playing with the server side till 10.2). I didn't get to play with it extensivly and at that time it wasn't a completly agravation free solution. But it has alot of promise especially if they have improved it since I looked at it.
  • John Hodgman (Score:2, Informative)

    by jacoplane ( 78110 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:39AM (#15245165) Homepage Journal
    In case you're wondering who the guy on the left is, it's John Hodgman [wikipedia.org] from the Daily Show.
  • by Whiney Mac Fanboy ( 963289 ) * <whineymacfanboy@gmail.com> on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:40AM (#15245177) Homepage Journal
    Seems like lots of people who make the PC==Mac argument don't own an Intel Mac.

    It seems to me like lots of people who make the PC==Mac argument know what PC stands for & have been using the term PC to describe Macs through Apple's motorolla, ppc and intel days.

    Have a look at these old Apple Manuals/Advertisments [computerhistory.org] and you will see that Apple has been calling their products Personal Computers since day one.

    It is only the post 1992 Mac Fanboy crowd that started differentiating - and quite frankly, I'm dissapointed that Apple is starting to join in.
  • by Otter ( 3800 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:41AM (#15245188) Journal
    Apple should spend more time making it easier to switch -- like including a "start menu" equivalent, using the defacto standard "ctrl-c & ctrl-v" type shortcut keys, better windows-style support for right-click instead of always having to use ctrl-click to get a pop-up menu, real windows-style "uninstall" functionality.

    I'll let others flame you about the start menu and shortcut keys (If you want MacOS to behave exactly like Windows, why not just use Windows?) but:

    a) Right-clicking should work the same as ctrl-clicking.

    b) MacOS doesn't have "windows-style "uninstall" functionality" because uninstalling is trivial.

  • by flamingnight ( 234353 ) <chris.garaffa@NoSPAM.gmail.com> on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:43AM (#15245206)
    In addition to NetInstall, you can create an image of a hard disk, and use Disk Utility or asr (on the command line) to clone that image to another drive. That's how we set up machines here - one image each for Account Service, Creative and Studio, each with custom applications and settings. Our setup time is approximately 30 minutes with this process.
  • by davidstrauss ( 544062 ) <david.davidstrauss@net> on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:48AM (#15245260)
    MacOS doesn't have "windows-style "uninstall" functionality" because uninstalling is trivial.

    ...except when it's not. See any system utility like a firewall or antivirus. You get a bonus uninstall round!

  • by Quevar ( 882612 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:52AM (#15245313)
    To 'Ghost' a disk to another, just use Carbon Copy Cloner (http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html). It will make an exact bootable copy of your hard disk with all applications and settings. It can even make a disk image out of it so you can put it on the network and install from there. It even has an option to synchronize one disk to another.

    I use Carbon Copy Cloner to backup my entire desktop and laptop drives to an external hard drive. This works very well and if something happens, I can simply boot from the external drive and everything is exactly as I had it on the other disk. I've tested it a few times and everything worked exactly as expected. So, the ghosting software you talk about is very easy to do on Macs, unless I am missing some other aspect of what you want to do.

    Or, you could use rsync (installed by default) to sync two computers over the network. I use this to sync various things on my laptop and desktop.
  • by the phantom ( 107624 ) * on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @10:58AM (#15245375) Homepage
    ...using the defacto standard "ctrl-c & ctrl-v" type shortcut keys...

    Why? On a Mac, I can use my thumb to hit the command key (the clover leaf), and use any other finger to hit any other key. It is a very simple reach, and works even on my laptop, where the size of the keyboard limits me to only one command key. Under windows (or Linux, for that matter), the control key requires a pinky finger, and a rather large reach (compared to, say, the shift keys). I much prefer the modifier key right next to the space bar. I am glad that Apple have decided not to change this. And, honestly, it doesn't take that long to get used to a different system, and if you are constantly switching back and forth from one kind of machine to another (I have Windows machines at work, Macs at home), it ceases to cause any confusion after a day or two.

    In fact, most of your complaints are fairly trivial, and represent the cost of moving from one OS to another as much as anything else. Why would we need an uninstaller on a Mac? Most, if not all, dependencies are contained in the application bundle. To uninstall a program, move it to the trash. There is no registry to get corrupted, and no .dlls. Why is a Start Menu needed? Open up a Finder window, and you have access to your applications, documents, movies, whatever. If you don't like that, launch applications from the dock. Put aliases (shortcuts) on your desktop. Hell, I suppose you could create a folder full of aliases and put that on the dock. A Start Menu really is not needed -- a couple of days to get used to the OS would likely demonstrate that. As for right-clicking, get a better mouse.

    Again, the complaints that you raise seem fairly minor and trivial, and would only really bother people that have been using Windows for a long time. Apple is not really targeting the hardcore Windows market, as far as I can tell. They are trying to target those people who do not have a great deal of computer experience, like the archtypal grandmother, or the computer illiterate English major. These people are not really going to care that the keyboard shortcuts are different (how many of them even know that there are keyboard shortcuts?) or that there is no Start Menu.
  • by flamingnight ( 234353 ) <chris.garaffa@NoSPAM.gmail.com> on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @11:05AM (#15245466)
    In terms of using the Restore feature of Disk Utility, it works the same way. Of course, you have to build the image on an Intel machine, but you can pretty much use any PPC or Intel Mac to clone any PPC or Intel Mac. We use Target Disk Mode to do it here.
    Haven't tried NetInstall because we're too busy to get the server working, but I've heard that it works for Intel Macs as well.
  • by LKM ( 227954 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @11:26AM (#15245692)

    Your advice (don't get first versions of new hardware) is sound, but I don't hear any kind of whine from my MacBook. I got my MacBook Pro last week, and so far, I'm extremely happy with it. The only thing slightly annoying is that some applications have crashed on me once or twice, probably because they're fresh ports to the Intel chip.

  • Want a "start" menu? Drag your applications folder to the dock (next to the trash). Right-click to operate.
  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @11:44AM (#15245904)
    Many non-trivial applications install system stuff and create directories all over the place. Real "uninstall" support would provide a wizard/assistant that would remove those things for you. Mac software is *surprisely* deficient in this respect.
    Then those applications are wrong. They should only be installing stuff in at most 3 places: /Applications/[appname]/, /Library/Application Support/[appname]/, and ~/Library/Application Support/[appname]/.

    If your application is putting stuff elsewhere, complain to the maker of that program, not Apple!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @12:26PM (#15246332)
    Go to the "Keyboard & Mouse" preference pane, the Keyboard tab. Click "Modifier Keys..." at the bottom, and adjust to you heart's content.

    It's been in there the past year, too, so this isn't some amazingly new feature I'm telling you about.
  • by MagnusDredd ( 160488 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @01:34PM (#15246961)
    Being an administrative user on an OSX machine means that your account is a member of the group "admin" which is the administrative group on OSX. This is a requirement for invoking sudo or being able to "su root". It does NOT mean that you are the system "Super User" or Admin.

    Please do not comment about what is going on underneath the hood of the OS unless you know something about the underlying architecture.
  • by aristotle-dude ( 626586 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @01:50PM (#15247131)
    Also, does MacOS X have something like COM? The main reason you need an uninstaller on Windows is because components are registered with the system for use with other programs. Otherwise you could just trash a couple directories.

    All components are packaged as bundles (special directories) which have info.plist file which advertises what services they bundle provides to the system. These plist files are dynamically scanned by launch services and other components in the core OS to autodiscouver new components. When you trash and reboot, the connection to these components and the system is severed and you can empty the trash to get rid of them permanents.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @01:54PM (#15247162)
    I wish Apple would re-write the finder or that someone would market a finder replacement for OS X.

    There is a 3rd party OSX finder replacement [cocoatech.com]. Enjoy.

  • Re:Doesn't work (Score:3, Informative)

    by phildog ( 650210 ) * on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @02:46PM (#15247687) Homepage
    Hodgman is fantastic

    Here are some of his clips from the Daily Show [comedycentral.com]

  • Cmd-C, V came first (Score:5, Informative)

    by ToastyKen ( 10169 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @02:46PM (#15247689) Homepage Journal
    And let's not forget the history: It was Apple who came up with Cmd-z, x, c, v. Windows started out with that Shift-Ins, Shift-Del stuff. It's Windows that was trying to be more like the Mac in the first place when they finally changed their shortcuts.

    Also, Cmd has been the traditional shortcut key on Macs for a long time, since the days of Apple II, when it was the Apple key, so there's a long history there. In fact, the Control key didn't even exist on Apple keyboards until years later.
  • Re:Doesn't work (Score:4, Informative)

    by Brett Johnson ( 649584 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @03:07PM (#15247900)
    What a load of horse hockey. There are plenty of replacements for most of the Mac OS X major apps:

    Don't like Finder? Try PathFinder http://www.cocoatech.com/ [cocoatech.com] or RBrowser http://www.rbrowser.com/ [rbrowser.com]
    Don't like Safari? Try OmniWeb, Firefox, Camino, Opera, iCab, or even IE5
    Don't like Mail? Try Eudora, Thunderbird, GMail, Entourage, Notes, or any number of other mail clients
    Don't like Quicktime? Try VLC, RealPlayer, or Microsoft's crappy media player [although QT is better than either of the latter 2]
    Don't like Dashboard? Try Konfabulator
    Don't like Keynote/Pages/AppleWorks? Try ThinkFree Office, OpenOffice.org, or Microsoft Office

    You could replace nearly all the major applications and many of system components of Mac OS X, but then it wouldn't really be a Mac anymore, would it?.
  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) * on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @06:51PM (#15249785)
    That's a pretty astonishing theory, and I don't believe it. We've already seen spyware that attacks Firefox, and it started at the about the 10% boundary. I see no reasons why virus writers, who as you say are in it for the money, would pass up the opportunity to get on up on their competitors by ignoring the Mac.

    Yes, but very little still compared to the level and sophisitcation of IE exploits.

    By stating virus writing is a buisness I am attaching to that all the typical behavious software releases have in relation to the mac - in that even though the market share for a platform grows it sometimes takea while for a company to ramp up to that new platform. Thus the greatly diminished virus profile on Firefox and also the Mac. I am not saying we'll neve see anything, just that it comes later in the marketshare percentage than you would think because for the most part it's not some really motivated kid working nights and evenings to get a virus done because he's driven, it's some guy deciding to hire X more russian hackers for X dollars to probe for Mac weaknesses.

    Actually some time ago in jest I proposed that the russian mafia all used macs and that's why we didn't see spyware - they didn't want to soil thier own nest.

    I also don't see anything in the Mac that makes it technically more resistant to viruses than Windows. You don't need administrator access to do many of the things viruses/bots usually do, and the security system it inherited from FreeBSD is basically all they've got.

    Now that part you got wrong. First of all, there's nothing like the registry - a target that gives you keys to the kingdom if you access. Furthermore as noted ad nauseum mac users are not running as admins and so have less access to the system as a whole to install things like rootkits. Even if a virus is encounterd a user would at least have to enter a password for that virus to have much of a lingering presence.

    Also, it's much harder to truly hide the precence of a virus under OS X as it's harder to hide a process where it cannot be seen by at least some tool. Windows makes that simpler.

    Given that stock Linux, MacOS X and Windows are all equally crappy when it comes to security, all with "bolt-on" security systems designed in the 70s for a totally different threat model, I would be very hesitant with making any claims that Macs are more secure than PCs (which basically means MacOS is more secure than Windows). Right now they ALL suck! Apple have had more than their fair share of stupid exploits, often ones which worked in the same way as Windows exploits released months or years before.

    But it's kind of hard to argue with the reality of the situation in that there are well over 10 million macs in use today and yet we do not see any viruses. Market share is a part of that but if they were as easy to infect that would not have been an impediment after the first million computers came online. You know how much each zombie computer fetches on the black market?

    Yes Apple computers also have exploits, but not ones that are as easy to reach and not ones that are actually being exploited. You have to make a distinction between an expploit being used in a while vs. a theoretical attack that no one is using because it's too hard to reach and wouldn't effect enough people. An example of that on a Mac is an SSH exploit - while a problem SSH is not enabled by default on OS X so the practical result is that no-one writes SSH exploits for the mac because it would not have enough payback.

    I'm putting my hopes in MAC security frameworks like SELinux and AppArmor ... I'm itching to get some spare time so I can experiment with hardening a system against malware/viruses/spyware threat profiles using them. My dissertation was on security, there's a whole lot more work that needs to be done before yet.

    Ultimatley that will probably be the best approach, or at least part of a whole defense in depth approach that we will all need.
  • Re:Devil's advocate (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @08:21PM (#15250352)
    I hate to tell you this Apple, but the accepted definition of a PC nowadays is a machine that is IBM PC Compatible, which of course your x86 intel macs are.

    I don't know how you can claim that an Intel Mac is "IBM PC Compatible". Of all the software that ran on the IBM PC [wikipedia.org], how much can you run on an Intel Mac? You need special software [apple.com] (including a new firmware) just to be able to install any PC operating system. They don't have a BIOS, which is one of the things that makes an IBM PC compatible IBM-PC-compatible.

    First you told us PowerPC was the only way

    They did? When? I don't remember Apple ever claiming to be the "only way".

    x86 was crap, then you decided to use x86 becuase it was cheaper/cooler/faster

    It *was* crap, compared to many of the PPC processors, back then. You seem to have forgotten the "10+ years pass" that occurs during your comma.

    Next you told us MacOS was the only way to make the x86 Intel CPU's work well, then you released a tool so we could all install windows and see it run much faster than MacOS.

    They'll still tell you that Mac OS is the best (not only!) way to use an Intel CPU. If you've ever looked at their Boot Camp webpage, you see that they make that abundantly clear.

    Conclusion: If you twist their words a lot, and leave out a few decades of history, Apple's marketing message sounds weird. Umm, OK.
  • Re:Doesn't work (Score:3, Informative)

    by jfern ( 115937 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @08:31PM (#15250414)
    Are you kidding? Bush's website had more information on Kerry than Bush. It was Bush who went ultra-negative. How many times did we hear "flip flopper", "liberal Senator from Massachusetts", "Swift boat veterans for truth", "$87 billion". The campaign was entirely about John Kerry.

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