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Apple Sets Tune for Pricing of Song Downloads 396

PygmySurfer writes "Apple Computer on Monday revealed it had renewed contracts with the four largest record companies to sell songs through its iTunes digital store at 99 cents each. The agreements came after months of bargaining, and were a defeat for music companies that had been pushing for a variable pricing model."
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Apple Sets Tune for Pricing of Song Downloads

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  • Ha Ha (Score:0, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01, 2006 @08:47PM (#15241906)
    /Big four record Labels "slip sliding away"
  • by the_humeister ( 922869 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @08:48PM (#15241914)
    As long as older songs are less than $0.99, I wouldn't really mind. A dollar a song still seems a bit much. I'd rather just send the money to the artist instead. At least they get more money that way.
  • by alain94040 ( 785132 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @08:52PM (#15241936) Homepage
    The killer app, of course, would be a plug-in to iTunes that let's you publish songs on it, for some form of micro-payment. If you do that, you can bypass the music store and keep the same front-end that everyone has grown acustomed to. Alain.
  • by AK__64 ( 740022 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @09:02PM (#15242002)
    Side note: what is Apple going to do about the French lawsuit?
     
    I'm glad to see that Mr. Jobs got his way and the labels are forced to continue with the current pricing model. I'd like to see some expanded quality options, however. How does Jobs feel about selling the same song at a higher price if it's higher quality or lossless?
     
    I don't own an iPod, and I still buy my music the old-fashioned way. Well, the kinda old-fashioned way. Involving a shiny disk.
  • Server-side storage (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Runesabre ( 732910 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @09:03PM (#15242005) Homepage
    What I want from a music download is for them to track what songs I have licensed/paid for and store that on their servers so I don't have to worry about keeping track of my song collection. I don't want to have to worry about whether I have a backup copy of 300 songs when my harddrive goes on the fritz and I don't want to have to spend a weekend figuring out what I need to save off and what can be erased when I decide to upgrade machines. I don't want to have to worry about how many times I've burned a song to CD. I don't EVER want to have to worry about having to re-purchase a song because I've lost my copy.

    That's when I'll get involved in a music download service.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01, 2006 @09:20PM (#15242086)
    Price as Signal

    Forbes: "EMI Group boss Alain Levy said at press conference today that he believed Jobs would introduce multiple price points for iTunes music within the next year."

    The story they're trying to tell you is that "older, less popular songs could be discounted, and in-demand singles could go for more than a dollar."

    Let's think this through, because I think the recording industry is lying about why they want different prices.

    Before I start with that, have you ever noticed that movie theaters charge the same price for all movies, whether they are Steven Spielberg blockbusters or crappy John Travolta religious quackery disguised as science fiction that nobody in their right mind would want to see?

    Theoretically, when a super-duper-blockbuster comes out, like, say, Lord of the Rings, there's so much demand that the movie theaters just end up turning people away. Econ 101 says that they should raise the price on these ultra-popular movies. As long as the movie is sold out, why not jack up the price and make more money?

    Similarly, when stinkers like Lesbian Gangster Yoga with Ben Affleck come out, the movie theatre is going to be pretty much empty anyway ... so Econ 101 says they should lower the price and try to get a few more bucks filling up the theater with price-sensitive moviegoers.

    And indeed this is what the recording industry is telling you that they want to do on iTunes. But they don't do it in movie theaters. Why not?

    The answer is that pricing sends a signal. People have come to believe that "you get what you pay for." If you lowered the price of a movie, people would immediately infer from the low price that it's a crappy movie and they wouldn't go see it. If you had different prices for movies, the $4 movies would have a lot less customers than they get anyway. The entertainment industry has to maintain a straight face and tell you that Gigli or Battlefield Earth are every bit as valuable as Wedding Crashers or Star Wars or nobody will go see them.

    Now, the reason the music recording industry wants different prices has nothing to do with making a premium on the best songs. What they really want is a system they can manipulate to send signals about what songs are worth, and thus what songs you should buy. I assure you that when really bad songs come out, as long as they're new and the recording industry wants to promote those songs, they'll charge the full $2.49 or whatever it is to send a fake signal that the songs are better than they really are. It's the same reason we've had to put up with crappy radio for the last few decades: the music industry promotes what they want to promote, whether it's good or bad, and the main reason they want to promote something is because that's a bargaining chip they can use in their negotiations with artists.

    Here's the dream world for the EMI Group, Sony/BMG, etc.: there are two prices for songs on iTunes, say, $2.49 and $0.99. All the new releases come out at $2.49. Some classic rock (Sweet Home Alabama) is at $2.49. Unwanted, old, crap, like, say, Brandy (You're A Fine Girl) -- the crap we only know because it was pushed on us in the 70s by paid-off disk jockeys -- would be deliberately priced at $0.99 to send a clear message that $0.99 = crap.

    And now when a musician gets uppity, all the recording industry has to do is threaten to release their next single straight into the $0.99 category, which will kill it dead no matter how good it is. And suddenly the music industry has a lot more leverage over their artists in negotiations: the kind of leverage they are used to having. Their favorite kind of leverage. The "we won't promote your music if you don't let us put rootkits on your CDs" kind of leverage.

    And Apple? Apple wants the signaling to come from what they promote on the front page of the iTunes Music Store. In the battle between Apple and the recording industry over who gets to manipulate what songs you buy, Apple (like movie theaters) is going to be in f
  • Too bad only 4 years (Score:5, Interesting)

    by suzerain ( 245705 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @09:21PM (#15242088)
    It's too bad the contracts are only for four years...so we'll see this whole senseless charade again soon enough.

    I had thought Apple might try to secure a longer term deal with the labels (maybe agreeing to a pcrice increase with inflation or something). My plan at Apple would be:

    (1) Negotiate long-term deal with the labels (10 years or more).

    (2) Spend the next year either inking a deal with Apple Records and the Beatles, winning the lawsuit, or buying them outright.

    (3) Convince one or two BIG artists to sell directly themselves with Apple as the distributor. Offer them like 50% of the proceeds of sales, and sell through the iTunes Music Store exclusively, with possible physical distribution at Apple Stores.

    (4) Other smaller artists take notice, and an Apple label (maybe not named 'Apple' if the Beatles situation can't be won) suddenly begins to gain momentum, and fuck over the labels in the process (which would make me rather happy).

    (5) Profit.

    You could throw another step in there, since Jobs is Disney's largest shareholder. Apple and Jobs could buy Disney outright, and gain some record distribution and music IP themselves, which they could immediately market at a different standard than the labels who "won't play nice". Then they could sign artists to Buena Vista Music or whatever.

    I know, I know, the prospect of Apple having this kind of media control is a bit scary. But personally, I don't fear it because I believe all music and video is destined to be free ("pirated", if you want), anyway...but I would sure like to see someone (Apple would be fine) bend those record industry jerks over and do to them what they've been doing to us for the past 40 years.

    I feel so much better after a nice diatribe...
  • by ral8158 ( 947954 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @09:26PM (#15242110)
    I don't want to sound like an asshole (And I am one, so it's hard for me to NOT sound like it :) ), but do you really think that the artist does all the work? In fact, that's what bugs me about the Downhill battle people (Not saying you are one), is that they say that the artist only gets $ .11 of the song, but really, the artist isn't the only person who does work. There are producers, editors, recording technicians, etc. And in the case of some artists, they don't even write the song. Then there is the whole idea that downloading a CD off of p2p and then sending a check for like, what, $5 or whatever you arbitrarily decide, to the artist is *okay*. It's not legal, and it's not fair. Even if you feel like you're being cheated, can you honestly say that it's okay to do that without the artist consent? That's like taking something out of someone's house, and leaving a check.

    (Again, not to be mean to you, just pointing out something. And I agree, one dollar a song is kind of stupid sometimes :/)
  • Re:relative pricing (Score:3, Interesting)

    by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @09:36PM (#15242168) Journal
    We hear so often that variable pricing is good. I think it's interesting that newly released music is commonly considered more valuable just by virtue of being new. This particularly applies to covers, rehashes, etc.
    I think the idea is that 'older' music has already payed off its producers for whatever effort they put into it.

    New music is worth more because the artist/label hasn't gotten the payoff yet.

    "New" music might not be worth what they're charging, but until they've gotten their money back, there is no reason to drop the price.
  • by Abreu ( 173023 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @09:37PM (#15242174)
    Big label artists get boned by their label, not by Apple.

    Seriously, their contracts are draconian, and in many cases an artist would get more money by "downgrading" to a smaller, independent label.

    Now, they wont get MTV exposure, but a good band should be able to counter that by touring extensively and tirelessly (ask the Red Hot Chili Peppers or Soul Asylum about their early years)
  • by Space cowboy ( 13680 ) * on Monday May 01, 2006 @10:11PM (#15242342) Journal
    I've heard of several accounts where someone had lost all their music, phoned Apple in desperation, and been given the right to download what they had already purchased.

    I think Apple just don't want the administrative overhead (for no extra value to them) and there may also be legal issues with promising that sort of thing - or maybe they just don't want to set the precedent...

    Still, I've heard it 3 or 4 times now from different people, and though I hope I'll never need it, it's nice to think there's *some* backup for my music on Apple's databases. It doesn't protect my ripped CD music, but at least I could get what I'd paid for...

    Simon
  • Re:Good. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by tsotha ( 720379 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @10:11PM (#15242344)
    Your logic applies if the record company pays every artist the same amount of money per song. I would think you'd have to pay more for an esablished, successful star than some band you're taking a chance on. This is surely reflected in the price of the CD.

    I've always thought the price-fixing argument has some merit, though, since the artist is always in a contract that excludes other lables. I can imagine a market where the artist makes a track and labels bid for the right to sell copies in lots of 100,000, say. Distribution would be substantailly less profitable, and the people who create and add value to the music would be paid more in line with profitability.

  • Re:Too expensive (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Blondie-Wan ( 559212 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @10:12PM (#15242346) Homepage
    eMusic actually pays the labels around 50 cents a song, believe it or not. They stay in business because of that use-it-or-lose-it model you mention; everyone pays a subscription fee which entitles them to a certain amount of service / product, but not everyone fully uses everything they pay for; lots of people let lots of downloads that they pay for slip by every month, thus subsidizing the gotta-get-every-last-track-I-can people (like me ;), who wring every bit of value out of it they can. It's essentially the same model as a number of other sorts of businesses - health clubs, say, or insurance. Everybody pays a fee for the service, but not everyone takes full advantage of the service (in the case of insurance, it's not the customer's choice, of course, but rather them just collecting on the policy if / when the need arises, but from the POV of the business, it's largely the same as a health club charging $40 or whatever for monthly memberships, when some users show up and work out for an hour or more every day while others wind up hardly ever coming in the door).

    It pretty much has to be this way for the subscription services, too, since there are certain fees they have to pay for the music, unless it's public domain.

    That said, I do think 99 cents isn't outrageous for a song. It's a very small amount of money for anything; even things like candy bars are getting "up" there, and even a nontangible thing like a downloaded file is longer-lasting (and offers far more enjoyment to its user) than something ephemeral like a candy bar.

    Moreover, for decades it's been commonly accepted practice for jukeboxes to charge a quarter to play a song just once. If that's the case - and keep in mind that's in a fixed location, usually in a less-than-ideal listening environment as far as purely enjoying music goes, and all that - then what would make it suddenly be a drastically outrageous jump to charge a hair under four times as much for one's own permanent copy of a song that one can listen to as many times as one can stomach it, anywhere, anytime, etc.?

    OTOH, now that music is so much freer of physical constraints than ever before, and there's no cost-per-unit for manufacturing, etc., they could price songs much lower than 99 cents if they wanted, though at some point they wind up running into a wall where they simply can't slice the proceeds thinly enough to give a cut to everyone who's supposed to get one (the performer, the writer, the producer, etc.). But still.

  • by LoveMe2Times ( 416048 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @10:15PM (#15242360) Homepage Journal
    I purchase all of my music from the used CD store. While I understand that I am helping to create a market for second hand CDs, thus reducing the risk of purchasing new music for others, I am also getting the full CD experience at a price I find acceptable while supporting the RIAA only indirectly. It's a compromise that I like.

    Anyhoo, when I buy used CDs I get them anywhere from $5-$12 per CD, and I average something like $7.50 after tax. It's a bit harder to figure the average number of tracks per CD though, but it's certainly more than 10. Also, I have some choice in how I skew the numbers. CDs I'm confident in and are hard to find, I'll spend more on. Artists I'm less familiar with, I spend less on, and if I can't get them at a price I find acceptable, I pass, plain and simple. But the stock changes continuously, so I'll keep checking. It's not unusual to find the same CD marked at $5, $7, and $8 or some such, so there's reason to believe you might find it cheaper at a later time.

    If I have reason to believe that the album tracks by a given artist suck, then I stick to hits compilations. But I delight in finding hidden treasures, so I try and get albums. The more recent artists who don't have compilations also tend to sell for cheaper anyway, so it works out.

    As an example, last week I got 7 CDs: 3@$10, 2@$7, and 2@$5. The $10 items were things that are hard to find (Rolling Stones and Radiohead), and the $7 were by an artist I like and a friend recommended, and the $5 items were by an artist I wanted to explore and my friend strongly recommended. With a 10% frequent shopper discount, sales tax, it worked out right in line with my $7.50 average. I haven't done a track count, but I'll guess that I averaged $.60 a track. This is for unencumbered, non-lossy-compressed, works-everywhere, full case and sleeve CDs.

    Granted, I do a little leg work to track this stuff down, but for me that's part of the fun. Also, every single time I've gone to the ITMS looking for something, they haven't had it. Good selection or no, a download service has to compete with this market. I don't know how big this market is, so maybe it's no big deal. But I get a lot of CDs ( > 100/year), so this average cost is very important to me. If you only want a handful of songs every year, then it just really doesn't matter much, the difference between $.50 and $.99 and $1.99 per song.
  • Re:good job! (Score:0, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01, 2006 @10:19PM (#15242385)
    Only 99 cents?

    Only?

    Wake me up when a song costs 10 cents or less. Anything above that just isn't worth it for me.
  • Re:allofmp3.com (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Llywelyn ( 531070 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @10:50PM (#15242556) Homepage
    There's nothing wrong with buying media in another country, but there's a difference between buying pirated media in another country where it is legal to do so and buying a CD in another country.

    The only reason this is even legal in Russia is because of a loophole in their law that allows for music to be "broadcast" over a cable without the artist's permission. This, combined with the Russian Organization for Multimedia & Digital Systems's ability to license material that doesn't belong to them, makes this in no way equivalent to simply purchasing a CD in a foreign country.
  • by Hobobo ( 231526 ) on Monday May 01, 2006 @11:57PM (#15242888)
    http://fifthroom.blogspot.com/2006/01/why-apple-wa nts-free-music.html

      Why Apple wants free music
    The recording industry keeps asking for tiered pricing on iTunes, and Apple keeps saying no. This seems odd--why can't the two agree on how to make the most money off online music sales? In fact, I'm sure they agree, and I'm sure the recording industry is right: more money could be made with tiered pricing. The real problem is a conflict of interests--the recording industry makes money off music, and Apple makes money off iPods. Here are some numbers: in under 3 years, 600 million songs have been purchased on the iTunes music store. Apples cut of that comes to just over $210 million. Meanwhile, the Apple has sold 6.5 million iPods in the last quarter of 2005 alone. That's well over $1 billion in just 3 months; the money from iTunes is pocket change.

    From the perspective, it's clear why Apple doesn't want to raise prices on iTunes. They could double revenue from the music store and they still wouldn't approach iPod level revenue. While the recording industry is interested in iTunes to generate revenue, Apple doesn't it see this way. They have other things in mind for iTunes:

    1. Apple does not trust a 3rd party to develop a music store for the iPod. They have two reasons for this: first, making good software is tough, and I don't believe they would trust someone else to do it for them. iTunes is easy-to-use, well designed, and well programmed, and the iPod is all the more successful because of this. Second, depending on a 3rd party for a business critical application could put them in a strategic bind in the future. Napster's subscription model and other byzantine DRM restrictions pose obvious problems here.

    2. The more stuff people put on their iPods, the better for Apple. I think this is Apple's main concern. Everyone who has taken Econ 101 knows about complement products--when the price of DVD's goes down, sales of DVD players increase. Alcohol prices on the rise? Bad news for Trojan. Music is a complement to the iPod, and the lower the price of music, the more iPods Apple can sell. If it were up to Apple, music downloads would be free, and we'd all be out buying 60GB iPods because our old 10GB models just can't fit everything. Do you think Apple is concerned that people are using iTunes to steal music? Not at all! Free music makes it easier for Apple to push their new, high capacity iPods. The motivation for the two latest additions to iTunes becomes clear in this light: fill up people's iPods faster (videos) and without asking for money (Podcasts).
  • by roystgnr ( 4015 ) <roy&stogners,org> on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @12:35AM (#15243062) Homepage
    How many of us would think 'well, its just nothing, let me get 5-10 songs tonight' if the price per song was $5 or $10 ?

    For one or two bands, I would. Lower that to $2 per song and I'll go up to 5 or 6 bands.

    or would any of us get a 'cheaper' song because the song we wanted was priced much higher ?

    I do, all the time. For $20 a CD had better be something I'm sure I'll love. For $10 I'll buy an album from someone who's played something I liked on the radio. For $5 I'll take a chance based on just word of mouth. Am I that abnormal, because I base my purchasing decisions on both price and expected value?

    Of course, I'm not too sympathetic with the music industry here. They're supposed to be publishers, and if they'd been smart enough to start publishing over the internet ten years ago, Apple would be in no position to start dictating terms now. The labels would just undercut iTunes for any songs they wanted to price at less than $1, and they'd refuse to put on iTunes any songs they wanted to price at more than $1.

    But they didn't want to do their jobs (Gosh, isn't the internet that place with all the pirates? We'd better stay away from that!) and now they're mad that they're being ordered around by a company who did their jobs for them. How sad! If the record companies get smart, they'll just be silently grateful that Apple hasn't started dealing with bands directly and cutting the less competent middlemen out altogether.
  • by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @12:40AM (#15243085) Journal
    I agree with you, but I guess I wasn't 100% clear earlier.

    The iPod is by far, the most popular MP3 player.
    Apple controls the only form of DRM in the iPod.
    The RIAA is unwilling to give up on DRM.

    You see where this is leading? They're so scared of filesharing that they've fscking up CD compatability in an effort to thwart any copying. As long as Apple controls FairPlay, the RIAA is stuck.
  • Irony (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Create an Account ( 841457 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @03:52AM (#15243676)
    Some day I'd like to see ... a nice simple alternative ... where the artists get paid on donations from people who liked their stuff. Until better bands start showing up there, I'll stick with my buck an album at AllOf for MP3s that do not limit me.

    Of course, YOU'RE not donating money to the bands whose music you're downloading from Russia. Neither is anyone else. And why would a band move to a license where they won't be ABLE to afford to spend their time making music?

    They KNOW you won't support them, because you're ALREADY not supporting them. Nice.
  • Why the ripoff tag? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rehashed ( 948690 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @04:17AM (#15243726)
    How on earth can you people complain about $0.99 a download?
    There are a lot of people that need to get paid out of each track sold, and bear in mind the razor thin profit margins apple themselves must be taking.

    Here in the UK, we are paying £0.79 ($1.44) for EXACTLY the same music from iTunes.
    Now THAT is a ripoff.
  • by localman ( 111171 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @04:36AM (#15243750) Homepage
    Ooo! I like that. I hadn't really thought of it that way, but DRM screws them as much as it screws us, doesn't it. Hoist by their own petard.

    Cheers.
  • by mgblst ( 80109 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @07:05AM (#15244060) Homepage
    The answer is that pricing sends a signal.
     
    This is a strong argument, and no doubt has a lot of backing. But you don't see this everywhere. When I go to tescos, I see dvds selling from £2 to £20. I really believe that cinemas would benefit from selling cheaper tickets when the movie is on its way out.
  • by ScuxxletButt ( 758085 ) on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @07:13AM (#15244081)
    Um... I know for a fact that most of the vocals recorded on Jagged Little Pill from Alanis were done with a $70 ART Tube Mic Pre and an SM-57. The SM-57 was the only way they could get her vocals without the mic distorting and that little ART warms the vocals very nicely.

    It's not the equipment, it's the engineer and the producer. Look at the type of equipment someone like Steve Albini uses when producing. It's almost two tin cans and a string, but he gets amazing sound because he knows what he's doing.

    But to think you have to spend a million dollars on expensive equipment show a shocking lack of experience and practical know-how.

    Unless you went to Full-Sail, then I can understand your snobbery.
  • by swillden ( 191260 ) * <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Tuesday May 02, 2006 @09:49AM (#15244768) Journal

    C'mon. One scan of a royalty check. That's all it'd take.

    Your claim (that allofmp3.com doesn't pay artists) is correct, but for the wrong reasons and the sort of proof you're asking for wouldn't exist even if the artists were paid by allofmp3.

    I worked for a major record label them for six months building a royalties calculation engine, and I can tell you that distributors never pay label-affiliated artists directly. Distributors pay the label, the label calculates the artist's share based on the contract with the artist and periodically cuts a check to the artist which includes royalties from all sorts of distributors. So if they were to get money that came from allofmp3.com, it would be mixed in with other royalty payments, not separated out in a check that could be scanned.

    Among the royalties paid to the artist are the royalties due to licensing to radio stations, which is effectively what allofmp3.com is, from a (Russian) legal perspective. Radio stations do have to pay money to broadcast music, but it's not very much, and (IIRC) it's a blanket license to play all of the music controlled by a label. The cut that goes back to the artists is miniscule -- practically nonexistent.

    So if you're going to use allofmp3, you should assume that the money you're paying them is for the distribution service. If you want the artist to be paid, you need to find another way. Buying merchandise, going to concerts, joining their fan club, or just finding a mailing address and sending them $2 are all good ways to do it. In fact, they're all ways that will put more money in the artist's pocket than will buying a CD or downloading from iTunes.

    A direct result of the time I spent working on that royalty calculation system is that I personally feel it's immoral to give money to the labels. From a moral perspective, I feel better about using allofmp3 (or bittorrent, but allofmp3 is more convenient and consistent) and finding another way to pay the artist. Preferably one that I'm sure the label can't take a cut of (the envelope with $2 cash seems like the best bet).

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