Places Feature Cut From Firefox 2 394
segphault writes "Apparently, the new bookmark and history system (called 'Places') scheduled for inclusion in Firefox 2 has been removed from the roadmap and disabled in the builds. An article at Ars Technica discusses some of the implications: 'Since Firefox 2 (and all alpha builds from here on out) will use the conventional bookmark system, those of you that have been using Firefox 2 alphas (the Gecko 1.8 branch) will have to export your bookmarks to HTML in order to preserve them. As a Firefox user and a software developer, I am personally very disappointed with the removal of this innovative feature.'" Update: 05/01 01:16 GMT by Z : Ars link updated.
Differentiation (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:fork a new branch (Score:2, Interesting)
Use Epiphany (Score:3, Interesting)
So what are we missing? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Bad URL (Score:4, Interesting)
And that's slashdot, a relatively well-behaved site (I had to put the extra space in there to stop the stupid comment filter from auto-linking those).
Re:Take a leaf out of Epiphany's book (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Firefox has the wrong focus (Score:4, Interesting)
Opera's stuck on that same treadmill. The recent beta of Opera 9 is pretty bad. Lots of new features, but fundamental things just don't work right.
Woah... (Score:3, Interesting)
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That's one way to kill interoperability.
Re:Take a leaf out of Epiphany's book (Score:5, Interesting)
Just go sign up at http://del.icio.us/ [del.icio.us] and start posting and tagging sites...
Then nab Foxylicious: http://dietrich.ganx4.com/foxylicious/ [ganx4.com]
Fire it up and set it to "use tag combinations to create hierarchies" or whatever... and there you go.
I have been using this system for a while and I love it... because between dual-boots and different labs on campus I will use 6 or so different firefox installations on any given day... it's great to have my bookmarks roam with me.
Friedmud
Re:So what are we missing? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Differentiation (Score:3, Interesting)
No, that's almost true for commercial software, but for free software all you need is a bigger number and people will think they need it. Especially if the FireFox update manager says you need to update.
Actually, it turns out that's not even true for commercial software. My Dad gets the newest version of Norton System Works every time he sees it on the shelf and then pisses and moans because of the great utilities and features this new version now lacks, even though his old version was working just fine and all he really needed was a new subscription/upgrade for the AntiVirus.
Make the number bigger and people will buy. Why do you think Microsoft went towards using year numbers rather than versions? Years are four digits. That's huge.
Could be a good thing (Score:3, Interesting)
If they should use a database engine, they should use some kind of client server solution so that bookmarks could be shared between multiple machines or users. Preferrably they should use some abstraction layer such as JDBC or ODBC, so that users could have a choise of what database engine to use.
There is also a need for standardization in bookmark storage. Free and open source browsers should agree on a common standard, regardless if it includes databases or not.
Re:thank god for small favors (Score:3, Interesting)
FYI SQLite [sqlite.org] is small, fast and stores everything in a file. it's not like they want to store your bookmarks in a fucking Oracle installation. SQLite is embedded and fits the purpose quite well. perhaps not very boner-inducing from a user standpoint, but a programmer can clearly see the benefits of such a thing: easy access, searching, management, etc. even for third party tools.
a vast improvement over the current XMLish kludge (i won't even mention the MORKiness, plenty of other slashdotters did). if you ever tried to do anything else with an XML file (besides transforming it) you know how *fun* that is.
Re:Why do the 2.0 release? (Score:3, Interesting)
Open Source projects go into a state that is called a "feature-freeze" in preparation for the next release of the core product. During this time no new features may be added, only bug-fixing and removal of features can occur. This step of the release process is present in order to ensure that a feature didn't add too-many unnecessary bugs to the software that sacrifice the core goals of the project. In this case Mozilla is trying to ensure that the next set of core changes to the browser aren't messed up by the new bookmarking system since the new bookmarking system isn't as important as the changes to the internals (which is what the new release is really about).
Re:Take a leaf out of Epiphany's book (Score:3, Interesting)
wrong, this is a serious problem (Score:3, Interesting)
look:
http://copia.ogbuji.net/blog/2006/Mar/06 [ogbuji.net]
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6979
Re:Bad URL (Score:3, Interesting)
Personally, I find the best thing to do with adverts is ignore them. However, rather like commercial television I can accept WHY they are there - it strikes me as a bit irrational to get upset by their presence while also enjoying what they are supporting. But then it's hardly new - people always complain about the number of adverts in magazines, while refusing to pay the extra for magazines whose price isn't subsidised by ads. The likes of HBO are also in a minority - while GMail is more appealing to people than paying for a private email account. People are generally cheap-skates who will sell their minds for a small saving.