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eBay Looking for Allies Against Google 216

Vitaly Friedman writes "A report in the Wall Street Journal today talks about how eBay is looking for partners to defend against the growing threat of Google. Specifically, Google Base and the payment system in the works in Mountain View are seen as possible dangers to eBay's auctions and PayPal payment operations, says the report. Google Talk just throws some salt in the wounds by looking for a toehold in Skype's turf."
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eBay Looking for Allies Against Google

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  • Re:I remember (Score:3, Interesting)

    by stupidfoo ( 836212 ) on Friday April 21, 2006 @03:52PM (#15176435)
    Huh?

    So, you're saying that Steve Jobs should have stated that Google, a non-existant company, was the enemy?
  • by WarwickRyan ( 780794 ) on Friday April 21, 2006 @03:55PM (#15176467)
    Is that eBay will be forced to stop screwing their customers http://www.paypalsucks.com/ [paypalsucks.com] and improve their service.

    Oh the joys of competition.
  • by Alex P Keaton in da ( 882660 ) on Friday April 21, 2006 @03:58PM (#15176499) Homepage
    I would too, but not just for the usual reasons that are cited against PayPal. I don't use paypal for a lot of reasons, and one of them is that it is seen as unprofessional. (For example, a professional organization I belong to needs a way to take cc payments over the web, but is too small for a merchant acct. And PayPal makes you look like a doofus, like an aol email addy.) Because Google is so much "cooler" and trendier, it would be easier to get google payment adopted instead of PayPal. I have no idea why PayPal seems so hokey... Is it the name?
  • by mmell ( 832646 ) on Friday April 21, 2006 @04:10PM (#15176608)
    I actually was willing to drive an hour to shop at Wal-Mart; there was nothing even remotely like it in the major cities.

    I actually was willing to learn to type "http://www.google.com" instead of "http://www.altavista.com" to search on Google; even from the outset, no other search engine came close to their level of quality (read: good search results).

    Nowadays, Wal-Mart routinely grinds competition unto the dust. Woe betide the small businessman whose future neighbor is a Wal-Mart Supercenter. They're big, monopolistic, anti-competitive, predatory . . . all of the wonderfully evil traits which characterize success in our free enterpise system. This makes them fairly well hated, the price of success.

    Nowadays, Google is percieved as the ultimate digital destructor - crushing internet opposition wherever it rises, brutally redefining markets and networking in that fashion most likely to lead to their own growth and the demise of competing technologies.

    Either you love free enterprise or you hate it - either way, I wouldn't trust it!

  • by comforteagle ( 728960 ) * on Friday April 21, 2006 @04:23PM (#15176746) Homepage Journal
    I setup a tagging system for ebay last night using the scuttle bookmarking application: fyndr.com [fyndr.com]. ebay's UI is just too brutal to deal with and top down from sellers to buyers. Also, and I couldn't believe this, but ebay charges for categorizing products in more than a few, limited, categories... making products harder to find! coo coo!

    Between the cleaner UI of a bookmarking system, the tagging, and purposefully active userbase I'm hoping fyndr can put a, yeah yeah, web2.0 face on the old web1.0 beast.

  • by robertjw ( 728654 ) on Friday April 21, 2006 @04:41PM (#15176890) Homepage
    Anyone can get one, no technical or professional qualifications needed.

    There are plenty of things out there that anyone can get, but don't seem as hokey as PayPal. gmail accounts, myspace accounts (in the right context), etc.. It has more to do with the kind of people that are involved in using the service. The vast majority of individuals using AOL are not regarded by the rest of us as very bright. They are either paying way too much for dial-up, or adding AOL costs to their broadband.

    I think PayPal has suffered from the same problem. Outside of eBay use, the only sites that have used it have been completely unprofessional in appearance. This gives us all a collective unprofessional opinion of PayPal. I actually think that PayPal's overall reputation has improved over the last several years and you see more and more legitimate sites using them. I'm not a particular fan of PayPal (even though my buddy Shuanqun works there), but they do fill a need. Competition will be good, reduce costs of both online payments and merchant accounts and hopelly legitimatize the service.
  • by AusIV ( 950840 ) on Friday April 21, 2006 @04:43PM (#15176904)
    If eBay wants to fight google, they should stop being one of google's biggest advertisers. Search for any noun on google, you get an ad telling you that it can be found on Google. Example:

    A search for George Bush provides:
    George Bush
    Looking for George Bush?
    Find exactly what you want today.
    www.eBay.com

    A search for Eggs provides:
    Eggs
    All your favorite collectibles!
    Eggs and more -aff
    Ebay.com

    A search for Milk provides:
    Milk
    Save on Glass and Glassware!
    Milk and more -aff
    Ebay.com

    In fact, I dare you to find a noun you can search for on google without coming up with an eBay add. As near as I can tell, eBay is Google's single largest advertiser. If they want to hurt google, they should start by cutting off some funding.

  • by NRAdude ( 166969 ) on Friday April 21, 2006 @04:43PM (#15176911) Homepage Journal
    The Uniform Commercial Code is the governing regulation for all accounts appraised by debt notes from the Federal Reserve System. What should hint everyone as "odd" is the fact that PayPal transacts a majority of its service in USD and yet the agents of PayPal have no qualifications (meaning merit and experience) in abiding by the aspects of Offer and Acceptance relevant in commerce. Agents of PayPal have one typical, worldly gut reaction to criticism and is similar to various other services offered from jail: seizure. Also, PayPal does not allow unhindered movement of funds to the account holder, and frivolously delegates authority of funds without ackowledging that PayPal is in-deed been Trusted to hold the funds on behalf of the account holder.

    In all manners of misplaced judgment by agents of PayPal, there is a distinct measure of tresspass that is difficult to redress because such service is evidence of misplaced faith and trust in a service that is neither correlated with banking under the Uniform Commercial Code. I've lost USD 300 to PayPal, from the beginning when someone created an account on my behalf and without permittion, then moving fund into that account as an antic to compel me to ship a predefined goods and services at the mercy of their payment method.

    Anyone that uses PayPal will surely know they are on borrowed time. PayPal apparrently moves the collected share of funds to no other place but Germany, and holds a pooled account with claims to Wells Fargo to generate interest. There you have it.

    I think there is an equal amount of concern to agents of Google, thereby not evincing any attraction to reserve the same controlls of any currency or trust regulation in its service as conferred from the claimants and onto Google. Google, for the life of its service and employs, is an ADVERTISING AGENCY. Google has no value, and is more evidence to create its measurements of currency to debase the currency trusted to it -- no different than PayPal. Every one of them, just as PayPal, are evidencing their intentional ignorance to move societies into their pretended form of commerce, ignoring the splendor and pragma of true government of the people; a service oriented by popularity of ignorance, than the lectors of intellect.

    As far as I can determine, any property within the grasp of PayPal will be hidden as PayPal Dollars -- no different than the speculations of Google to have its Google Coins. All I can say is the criminals in that Federal Reserve, Inc, have stopped the publishing of the M3 Money Supply and Gold and Silver is rising at a rate evincing the USD is about to collapse. PayPal Dollars and Google Coins are not shares to the stock of those corporations, but mismanaged currency of a collapsing economy of debt notes to no value in HJR 192.
  • by vux984 ( 928602 ) on Friday April 21, 2006 @04:55PM (#15177012)
    Possibly because having multiple active accounts is against ebay's terms of service.... :)

    Next you should just start selling yourself stuff and pumping your own feedback rating...of course that might look suspeicious so you'll need to open and nurture a whole network of accounts...

    Once you break one rule... why not all of them ?
  • by idfubar ( 668691 ) <slashdot.org.2@rishichopra.org> on Friday April 21, 2006 @05:53PM (#15177557) Homepage
    is that when you win an auction is practically a binding contract; you can't just flippantly decide that you don't want the thing anymore or that you found a better price somewhere else.

    Just try selling a handful of things on Craigslist and see for yourself whether people are flaky when there's no obligation to carry through on commitments. Unless Google can offer something that's binding I don't see it attracting EBay's seller community.
  • by moultano ( 714440 ) on Friday April 21, 2006 @07:45PM (#15178275)
    not a liability. Google in the past has been willing to buy companies with a quality product. Bill this to investors as how they can get their money back in a few years.

    When they say, "Google would copy it," you say, "as soon as there's the slightest rumor of that, we offer to sell to them. If the product area stays below google's radar, we make money. If it doesn't, then we make our product good enough that they'd be better off buying us." An acquisition is generally a much more likely exit strategy than an IPO anyways.

    Furthermore, every good idea doesn't have to be a new company. If you want to make something, and you think google is in a better position to do it, go pitch it to google and get hired. There is as much opportunity for entrepreneurial skill within companies as there is in starting new ones.
  • by Shawn is an Asshole ( 845769 ) on Friday April 21, 2006 @07:47PM (#15178290)
    Not all queries return ebay ads, but here are a few that do:



    --
    Plutonium
    Great deals on Plutonium Shop on eBay and Save! www.eBay.com
  • Re:Whose wounds? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by slofstra ( 905666 ) on Saturday April 22, 2006 @11:19AM (#15180563) Homepage
    According to the WSJ article, eBay faces a difficult conundrum. They are spending millions on targetted search ads on Google, thus helping out one of their direct on-line auction competitors. It's called co-opetition. Personally, I'm disaffected with Google's increasingly unreliable search results and tacky ads. Slashdot has developed a wonderful self-moderating model for it's forum. How about a self-moderating subject index for the web? Maybe as an add-on to wikipedia. In some ways Google reminds me of those German barons of old who were able to charge exorbitant tolls to those needing access to the few bridges across the Rhine. We need more good ways into the Internet, so more power to whatever anyone can come up with, including ask, wikipedia, altavista and msn. What do you think - who can challenge Google? What's the next flavour of the month?
  • by crossmr ( 957846 ) on Saturday April 22, 2006 @10:11PM (#15182857) Journal
    Ebay was good..for about the first year after it arrived. Its just a life support system for sketchy wholesalers and prima-donna powersellers.

    The following is an exchange I had with ebay:
    Background: We all know power-sellers jack their shipping to cover the cost of them offering stuff at 1 penny. However if you read Ebays ToS this violates it.

    I found a seller selling a USB dongle, domestic shipping via USPS (standard air mail, no insurance, etc). After an exchange with ebay, I was told that "Ebay trusts their sellers to set appropriate ship amounts".

    Reading their ToS further you discover that its also a violation to list the handling price as a percentage of the final fee. I found several listings by an individual doing just that. I was given the same form letter.

    Ebay is junk. They do nothing but protect their power-sellers. Many power-sellers hold feedback hostage. When you feedback like:
    Joeblow - item recieved broken, did not respond to e-mails, attempted to call, would not speak with me, etc

    Powerseller1111 - BAD EBAYER STAY AWAY!!!

    you know exactly what happened. If ebay actually cared about the integrity of its system it would institute a double blind feedback system where each user inputs their feedback then its applied when both have inputed and saved it.

    It was another nice idea that got ruined by the internet.

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