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Posted by CmdrTaco
from the well-isn't-that-special dept.
Recently we've added a new bookmark function that logged in users can use to maintain public lists of URLs for tagging and sharing with the world. You can read the bookmark faq to answer a few specific questions, check out the global bookmark lists that can be tagged, journaled over, or submitted as stories. Read on for notes on what we're planning for this.

The idea is that URLs are bookmarked, either using the javascript bookmarklett thingee or by directly visiting the bookmarks page. But when you are DONE bookmarking and tagging your URL, you can then write a journal or story submission about them. On a related note, journals are now directly submittable to Slashdot editors as well.

We plan to add RSS exporting as well as a few other features, but mostly what we're going to try to do is figure out ways to mine bookmarks for stories. You can best help by tagging bookmarks on the global bookmarks pages. This is all very experimental, so your help is appreciated.

Now as always on Slashdot we appreciate your feedback and bug reports. You can do this the slashdot SF project page. Or even better you could visit the site and consider submitting patches. Ideas are never in short supply here- time to code them all ALWAYS is. Join the mailing list! Or just start bookmarking and tagging stuff. Lastly, thanks to Tim Vroom who put all of this together.

update to clarify a point for the readers- this system is primarily an extension of our submission bin. You are welcome to bookmark & tag for your own pleasure, but our intent is that this system eventually be used to help us find content for the mainpage. So of course the functionality has overlap with other sites. No huge shock there. But our intentions is to use user bookmarks & tags as another input channel for editors picking stories for the audience.

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  • by eclectro (227083) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @01:46PM (#15122701)

    to say that I'm glad dupe and spell check have been added.
  • Google Bookmarks (Score:5, Informative)

    by neoform (551705) <djneoform@gmail.com> on Thursday April 13, 2006 @01:47PM (#15122702) Homepage
    Isn't this pretty much the same sorta thing as http://www.google.com/bookmarks/ [google.com] ?

    Just seems like a nice way for a site to get it's users to index the internet for it..
    • by generic-man (33649)
      ...which is the same as Yahoo!'s My Web, which is similar to del.icio.us (since bought by Yahoo!), etc., etc.

      But it has TAGS! They're like meta keywords but they're totally Web 2.0ified with scriptaculity!
      • If this is Web 2.0, can we just skip to Web 3.0?
      • But it has TAGS! They're like meta keywords but they're totally Web 2.0ified with scriptaculity!

        So true.

        Speaking of tags, is it just me, or are tags on Slashdot stories just a complete indictment of the whole idea? They're like a craptacular subset of the actual story (the words in tags almost always exist in the story), harkening back to the days when we weren't capable of properly searching data [yafla.com], so we had to rely upon terrible tags.
        • You seem to have completely missed the point. Tags aren't an alternative to text searches. They're an alternative to conventional categorization [shirky.com]. Meta tag overloading isn't really a problem in most tag system implementations, and by the success of del.icio.us, it seems to be a very effective organizational system for web content. You can still do a text search on the collection, but tags give a more intuitive way of grouping related articles together using the benefits of folksonomy, which increase with the

    • Yes, and just like google you can't delete bookmarks either..
    • Isn't this pretty much the same sorta thing as http://www.google.com/bookmarks/ [google.com] [google.com] ?

      I would say that at this point there's nothing you can do or try to do that Google hasn't done or is planning to do.

      All betas, of course.

    • The idea is to harvest the bookmarks as a way to help provide content for the front page. That actually makes sense to me (the idea behind tags remains a mystery, however).

      No idea about delic.ous, but I don't think google or yahoo bookmarks are used for as content delivery outside of themselves, are they?

      I mean, I just crawled out of bed and haven't had my first coffee of cup yet; but I can't be the only person who read that part of taco's blurb, can I?
      • The idea is to harvest the bookmarks as a way to help provide content for the front page. ... so that we don't lose more ground to Digg.

        (the idea behind tags remains a mystery, however) ... so that you are more inclined to look for other people's bookmarks that might interest you, bookmark them yourself.

        Basically, this sounds like a mash-up between del.icio.us and Digg.
      • I mean, I just crawled out of bed and haven't had my first coffee of cup yet; but I can't be the only person who read that part of taco's blurb, can I?

        Consider your audience. Yes. Yes you can.

    • The Flock web browser [flock.com] has a setup where you can share bookmarks. I don't use that feature, but I do use Flock, it is based on Firefox. I have it in my livecd linux, see signature, below for screenshots of Flock in action.
  • Blog ? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by karvind (833059)
    How is it too different from a blog thingee ?
    • Re:Blog ? (Score:5, Funny)

      by lucabrasi999 (585141) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @02:00PM (#15122820) Journal
      How is it too different from a blog thingee ?

      Bah, you don't get it, do you? This is all about MINDSHARE! After Mindshare you get Innovation. And, after Innovation, you get Web Traffic. And, after Web Traffic, you get Dupes!

      It may not make sense now, but one day, young grasshopper, you will understand. Now, where did I put my percosets?

    • You must be new here.

      Slashdot is a blog.

      http://slashdot.org/about.shtml [slashdot.org]

      In the beginning there was no Slashdot. Bored and confused geeks would scribble "First Post" in the sand. Grits were strictly for consumption and there wasn't a place to get nerd oriented news. Then in September of 97 Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda changed all that. With the help of Jeff "Hemos" Bates and others, Slashdot has stumbled forward with the simple mission to provide 'News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters'.

      Today Slashdot is owned by OSTG,

  • Redundancy (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SarekOfVulcan (133772) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @01:49PM (#15122727)
    Ok, and we should use this instead of del.icio.us why, exactly? Might be good to put on the FAQ list.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 13, 2006 @02:09PM (#15122910)
      Because Slashdot's got a midly less annoying domain name?
    • Re:Redundancy (Score:2, Insightful)

      by hackwrench (573697)
      Well eventually every themed website of sufficient size is going to have them, so you can organize your bookmarks around those sites instead of wading through your bookmarks menu in your browser.
    • Ok, and we should use this instead of del.icio.us why, exactly? Might be good to put on the FAQ list.

      Good or bad, right or wrong, I use slashdot, I've only looked at del.icio.us.

      I'm a mobile computer user, and I'm in the market for an online bookmark service. Unfortunately, I'm happy with Safari's bookmarking features. Apple-D a nice menu comes down asking for the title of the bookmark, and which folder I want to put it under. DND bookmarking is possible, and then putting the bookmarks into the top of th
    • Ok, and we should use this instead of del.icio.us why, exactly? Might be good to put on the FAQ list.

      You don't get it.

      CmdrTaco:
      But when you are DONE bookmarking and tagging your URL, you can then write a journal or story submission about them. On a related note, journals are now directly submittable to Slashdot editors as well.

      The point is not to replace sites like del.icio.us, but to use a system similar to del.icio.us as an alternative way of submitting links/stories/etc to the editors for po
  • by gasmonso (929871) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @01:50PM (#15122730) Homepage

    This is absolutely del.icio.us!!

    http://religiousfreaks.com/ [religiousfreaks.com]
    • Re:Great New Idea! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by pHatidic (163975) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @01:56PM (#15122782)
      Exactly, all this is doing is splitting the online bookmarks sharing market into even smaller and smaller silos, subtracting value from end users. Why doesn't Slashdot just work out a deal with del.icio.us so that Slashdotters can mark the fact that they have a Slashdot account in their del.icio.us preferences, and then have those bookmarks be minable by the Slashdot editors. That way it would be easier for the Slashdot editors, better for del.icio.us, and would actually add value to the Internet instead of further splintering the market.
      • There's also an endless amount of tech news sites, but this one is my preferred one. I've visited del.icio.us and disliked the interface, but I might actually use the /. ookmarks. (Not that slashdot is prettier, I'm just accustomed to it)
      • Why doesn't Slashdot just work out a deal with del.icio.us so that Slashdotters can mark the fact that they have a Slashdot account in their del.icio.us preferences, and then have those bookmarks be minable by the Slashdot editors.

        Hey, man, you might as well just suggest that we cross the streams [imdb.com]

      • Re:Great New Idea! (Score:3, Interesting)

        by caluml (551744)
        diggdot.us [diggdot.us]
        • Wow! They've even got dupes! :-)

          Stromcode - AJAX: Building a Spy
          source: del.icio.us
          posted: 04/13/2006 05:03AM
          ...
          AJAX: How to make your own Spy page
          source: digg
          posted: 04/13/2006 05:31PM
          • Hate to reply to myself, but I just noticed this on their page:

            Why diggdot.us?
            Digg, slashdot, and del.icio.us- this is a constant browsing cycle for us. So why not combine them into a unified format without all the extra chrome? We can eliminate dupes and add some extra niceities. [emphasis added]
      • Re:Great New Idea! (Score:3, Insightful)

        by MarkByers (770551)
        Exactly, all this is doing is splitting the online bookmarks sharing market into even smaller and smaller silos, subtracting value from end users.

        Yes! Choice and competition are bad and evil! While we're at it, we should get rid of Firefox for splintering the web browser market.
        • Re:Great New Idea! (Score:4, Insightful)

          by pHatidic (163975) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @02:49PM (#15123295)
          Your analogy is broken because Firefox doesn't take advantage of the network effect. The more people that use a particular online social bookmarking service, the more value there is for each user. I'm not saying there shouldn't be different approaches, but it would be nice if there was some sort of standard so that they could interoperate with each other.
  • I Can Dig It (Score:1, Informative)

    by cybrpnk2 (579066)
    This will be a great new way for Slashdot users to dig [digg.com] for what others find interesting!
    • Suggestion (Score:5, Insightful)

      by truthsearch (249536) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @02:05PM (#15122856) Homepage Journal
      Mentioning digg here isn't trolling or flamebait. But you could have provided a constructive comparison of /.'s new bookmarks to digg. Example:

      * Digg links gain popularity through votes. It seems /.'s links are like del.icio.us. The more people add a link the more popular it'll be.
      * Digg's whole site is based on link popularity. Slashdot has article posts still moderated by humans. The bookmarks are simply another source of information.
      * Slashdot has a community of people who flag each other as friends and foes, read each others' journals, etc. Digg is full of only random meaningless comments.
      • Re:Suggestion (Score:3, Interesting)

        by quokkapox (847798)
        Digg is getting better fast. They implemented barebones threaded discussion not long ago and I'll eat my hat if they don't add adjectives to moderation fairly soon. They've got problems (more dupes than slashdot, for one), but they're moving fast.
    • Or you could provide a digg to the Digg about slashdot [digg.com], which links back to this story. What happens if you Digg /. and /.-effect Digg? It's like some infitinate loop (of course, since nobody ever RTFAs, I guess it doesn't matter much).
      • Re:It's been dugg (Score:3, Informative)

        by truthsearch (249536)
        And the very first comment on that post is the perfect example of why I don't like digg. For 11 minutes now this comment is still visible:

        wrong board

        marked as spam /. sucks

        On /. that would have been modded to nothing in 10 seconds. Plus the article isn't spam.
  • Wow (Score:2, Funny)

    by blackmonday (607916)
    Let me be the first to say: I find this to be a delicious new feature!

  • Benefits (Score:5, Insightful)

    by truthsearch (249536) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @01:53PM (#15122757) Homepage Journal
    It seems the primary benefit is to help slashdot find good articles to post about. For bookmark management and sharing there are plenty of other places to go. However many here do read each others journals, so maybe this will turn more into a community of bookmarks instead of delicious' million random links. I guess I'm saying it has the potential to be a more social system since /. has such a large community.
    • Not just big! (Score:3, Interesting)

      by CupBeEmpty (720791)
      The point is that it is targeted not just large. I feel like people who take the time to delve into /. tend not to be the same kind of people that just spew moronic crap on Digg and the like. The best part about /. is the community that keeps it as good as it is. If you go to a /. tagged bookmark site you have a better idea of what you are going to get.
  • I've seen them for about a day when they were first introduced, after that they are gone. What happened to them?

    (and yes, I've got them enabled in my preferences)

    • by Rolan (20257) *
      You probably installed a buggy version of the Slashdot Firefox plug in which keeps them hidden. Get a new version and they'll be there.
      • by g0at (135364)
        He's not the only one. I'm using Safari (release) on Mac OS X, and like the OP, I saw the tags the first day, and never since.

        The bug is on slashdot's side.

        -b
    • I don't know, but I can still see them.

      However, I'm not sure if they're working very well, since at April Fool's, a lot of tags where saying "gay!" and "straight" instead of informative tags. So you're not really missing out

    • I've seen them for about a day when they were first introduced, after that they are gone. What happened to them?
      Perhaps you are using the "Slashdotter" extension for Firefox (and possibly others) which can hide tags.
    • by jamie (78724) *
      Tags were briefly (a few hours) made visible to all users due to a bug. I'm assuming that's what you all saw.

      Our intent so far has been to only let the users who have tag-writing permission see the tags on stories. At some point we'll open it up to everyone, but for now it's still a closed beta.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 13, 2006 @02:00PM (#15122812)
    I think we should call it Sla.shd.ot.
  • Slash.icio.us? (Score:1, Redundant)

    by fak3r (917687)
    While most posts will complain that this is too similar to http://del.icio.us/ [del.icio.us] why not figure out a way to partner with del.icio.us so that there could be something like http://slash.icio.us/ [slash.icio.us] where people could create bookmarks that would appeal to the Slashdot crowd?

    I use del.icio.us because it's easy and it works, plus there's already a ton of relevant links to find anytime I'm doing research on something (it's far more tageted and 'prescreened' than google) so I could see it as a natural extention of the
    • You might want to consider notifying del.icio.us in some way before creating a slash subdomain on their server for them. Your plan is in the wrong order.
      • You might want to consider notifying del.icio.us in some way before creating a slash subdomain on their server for them.

        it's not my site, I can't create a subdomain for them, the provided URL was merely an example or a suggestion if you will.

        Your plan is in the wrong order.

        how so? I am suggesting an idea that makes more sence, and again, as I'm not the site owner of del.icio.us (or more specifically icio.us) or Slashdot I have no way of independantly implementing such changes. I fail to see what other ord
  • To CmdrTaco (Score:2, Interesting)

    by quokkapox (847798)
    It's nice that you're adding features, but could you repeal the permanent mod point bans on some of us? There are people here who read and contribute and would like to moderate but never get a chance. I don't want to create another userid and wait another six months until it "matures".

    Just give us back our occasional mod points, and maybe explain what we did wrong which caused them to be taken away in the first place.

    And also, could you please add a place where we can discuss this very sort of thing

    • While I do think /. needs a place to discuss slashdot-related issues, this statement is just wrong:

      This site depends on its users. I'm a user. You're supposed to listen to me.

      The owners of a web site can ignore their users. This isn't a public service. Taco isn't your elected representative. You're not entitled to anything. If you don't like it, don't whine about it. Just leave.
      • Re:To CmdrTaco (Score:2, Insightful)

        by RangerRick98 (817838)

        The owners of a web site can ignore their users.

        Not a smart idea when some of their users pay for the site.

        If you don't like it, don't whine about it. Just leave.

        Brilliant attitude. Then nothing is ever improved. Whining--or, more accurately, constructive criticism--leads to positive change if it's listened to.
        • And as I said, there should be a place to post these issues. But thinking you're entitled to some attention is rediculous. If the owners of a site want to ignore their users it's their prerogative, whether or not it be to their peril.
    • It's nice that you're adding features, but could you repeal the permanent mod point bans on some of us?

      Hear, hear. Some of us lost moderation privileges in a dumb moderation war [slashdot.org] four years ago. We get the point now; we're sorry we moderated that comment, and we promise not to do it again. We've had four years to think our faults through. We're loyal and value-producing slashdot members. Can we be treated like that again, please?
    • And also, could you please add a place where we can discuss this very sort of thing and not be modded offtopic?

      I know this is a little late now, but maybe we should usetrolltalk [slashdot.org]? It wouldn't require any action from the editors, and it'd piss the trolls off. Two birds with one stone! I'll remember to repost this suggestion next time this comes up. I bet Taco would be in favour of this too!

  • First CSS now meta tagging and community bookmarks. Whats next!? Will I wake up coffee in hand only to find /. all AJAXed out with satellite imagery and SlashSpace personal pages with photosharing!?? I feel like I am really riding Web 2.0 into the future.
  • In your date formats, include the year. I never know which of two articles is the dupe unless I pull out a calendar to see what year has the article date falling on a Monday/Thursday/whatever.
  • by technopinion (469686) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @02:32PM (#15123110)
    This and delicious may be great for making site suggestions to the masses (or promoting your own site), but how about when you want bookmarking to actually be useful? I've been using http://www.ifaves.com/ [ifaves.com] a lot and find it great for personal private bookmarking. Set it as my home page, auto-login, use their bookmarklet for adding new pages, and it saves me a ton of time trying to remember what sites I want to revisit, plus lets me share bookmarks with friends without having to do it up in an email.
  • by FerretFrottage (714136) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @02:34PM (#15123129)

  • by Cytlid (95255) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @02:43PM (#15123217)
    ...you mean there's other websites? Besides Slashdot? I've been doing this since 1999 and noone let me know?!?!

  • Ideally this'll be set up so when an editor goes into the submission bin stories are grouped according to the relationship they have to each other (5 stories pointing to the same link, for instance) and the best one can be chosen. Later if any other stories come in it will show that the link has already been used, and they can either be rejected or put aside for the occasional slashdot follow up link story.

    In the end, this is a feature for the editors, not a general bookmarking service.

    -Adam
  • Feature request (Score:4, Insightful)

    by caffeination (947825) on Thursday April 13, 2006 @03:08PM (#15123487)
    How about giving us the ability to remove and/or modify in any way the tags we've already made. These aren't ephemeral comments that go away after a day or two, they're long term displays.

    Give us some power over our own work please. Some of us work like Slashdot editors, with a tendency toward dupes and typos.

  • Old news! Slashdot has had bookmarks for ages!

    Submitter must be pretty badly out of the loop.

  • by pen (7191) *
    All I really want is to be able to bookmark comments and articles with one click. Kuro5hin/Scoop has had this feature (named Hotlist) for years, and has allowed me to keep track of my favorite articles.
  • How do I edit or delete bookmarks I've added??
  • Hi Slashdot Editors & Mods, I like the idea that tags give a way to codify information based on small words with commonly accepted meanings. My Feature request would be that clicking on a tag didn't edit the tag, but brought up a list of global bookmarks or articles with that tag. So let me click on the 'anime' tag and get a list of people's 'anime' tagged bookmarks. I want the tags to be a search feature. I think this would make the tags even more usefull.

    Also, how are "Popular" bookmarks figured out? By the number of people bookmarking the same site, or by the number of people following the link?

    --Donald
  • I'd prefer a much simpler UI. The "Related Links" box at the bottom of the right column of boxes next to the story summary, should have checkboxes next to each "related link". And a text field into which URLs can be drag/dropped, copy/pasted or typed.

    A really nice UI would add a "Slashdot bookmark" item to the right-click context menu, so I can add any link to that box by right-clicking and selecting that item.

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