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Bruce Perens on the Status of Open Source 241

Lars Lehtonen writes to tell us that Bruce Perens has posted the text of his LinuxWorld press conference. In his talk he takes a look at many of the hot topics surrounding the open source community including ODF, NTP vs RIM, and GPLv3. From the article: "It's interesting to note that Jack Abramoff, the lobbyist implicated in scandal with Republican Tom Delay, was employed by Bill Gates' dad's law firm "Preston Gates", a political proxy for Microsoft. Microsoft succeeded in lobbying both Republicans and Democrats to oppose ODF."
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Bruce Perens on the Status of Open Source

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  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Saturday April 08, 2006 @04:46PM (#15092211) Homepage Journal
    And this means what, exactly?

    Not much yet. It's just a set of dots which, if they could be connected, would make a very interesting picture indeed. But I agree, the dots haven't been connected. Yet.

    Abramoff pleaded guilty to a variety of charges, but didn't have much of anything to do with Microsoft or ODF.

    Doesn't mean a thing.

    The way this works is, the prosecutor targets a sleazeball who's got connections. He puts together a portfolio of charges on him that, if half of them were proved, would put Mr. Sleaze in jail for the half life of a proton. In exchange for only having to endure being sodomized for three or four years, Mr. Sleaze agrees to hand the prosecutor the ends of all the webs he's been holding.

    Microsoft and the Gates family may be on the other end of one of those threads. Or they may not; or even if they are it may not in the prosecutor's view be the best place to start. The prosecutor might also decide to make examples of one or two individuals and leave it at that.

  • knows his stuff (Score:5, Interesting)

    by PMuse ( 320639 ) on Saturday April 08, 2006 @05:10PM (#15092315)
    This is why reading Bruce is better than reading some random guy on slashdot. The man knows his stuff. Go RT whole FA. It's worth it just to hear some one say it straight without screwing something up.
  • by PhysicsPhil ( 880677 ) on Saturday April 08, 2006 @05:26PM (#15092395)
    What is interesting about it is the fact that it is lobbying. Lobbying is only organized, legalized bribery! Microsoft lobbies both Republicans and Democrats because it really doesn't care who is in power as long as they can buy the legislation they want. The fact that it was found illegal is something they will probably take care of with the next round of legislation (and partly paid for by Microsoft along with all other companies looking for a special favor).

    Perverse though it may be, lobbyists are one of three constitutionally protected professions in the United States. The First Amendment guarantees the right to "petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Unless you can get a constitutional amendment through, things are not going to change much.

    For those who are interested, the other two professions are lawyers (the right to counsel) and journalists (the right to a free press).

  • by ScrewMaster ( 602015 ) on Saturday April 08, 2006 @05:45PM (#15092464)
    {sigh} well, to paraphrase Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks, "... and I gotta tell ya, two outa three ain't bad."

    On the other hand, the rights granted to corporate entities are not enshrined in the Constitution: they are of much more recent vintage. If those were revoked or severely restricted, problems with undue influence in government might improve substantially. In any event, we aren't talking about "redress of grievances", in the sense that a organization is being unfairly impacted by the law. We are talking about corruption, pure and simple, businesses that have discovered that a little bribery in the right places can make them billions. Yes, it's true, Congress was always corrupt, even back in Colonial times. But somehow I doubt the Founders intended the Constitution to protect criminal activity on this scale.
  • by Bruce Perens ( 3872 ) * <bruce@perens.com> on Saturday April 08, 2006 @07:05PM (#15092771) Homepage Journal
    Sometimes when you think a connection might be there, the best you can do is put that connection in front of empowered people who might find something. Abramoff was working as a lobbyist for Gates. I'd imagine the main thing on the agenda would be anti-trust, but competition with Free Software in government might be there as well. After all, we have had multiple published incidents where US diplomats lobbied a foreign government not to make a pro-free-software decision.

    Bruce

  • OSD pre-exists FSD (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Bruce Perens ( 3872 ) * <bruce@perens.com> on Saturday April 08, 2006 @07:24PM (#15092828) Homepage Journal
    The Free Software Definition published by FSF did not exist when I created the Debian Free Software Guidlines. It still did not exist when I later re-labeled the DFSG to be the Open Source Definition. Richard put it up later, I think years later. I guess he put it up because felt a need to differentiate from Open Source. Eric Raymond tried to drive an IMO entirely unnecessary rift between Free Software and Open Source, and some of Richard's later reaction stems from that.

    Bruce

  • Conspiracy theory (Score:2, Interesting)

    by layer3switch ( 783864 ) on Saturday April 08, 2006 @07:27PM (#15092838)
    Am I the only one who think /. should have a tinfoil hat category besides Politics?

    Seriously, Mr. Bruce Perens couldn't have written a better script for Syriana II. I'll be blunt. ODF and GNUv3 rabbit hole doesn't go any deeper than the usual Bostonian political scuffle. Given enough spare time to ponder about politics, even Boston's Big-Dig project could be tided to Microsoft somehow.

    C'mon. We all know Microsoft's deep pocket reaches everyone, but the speculation forgets to mention that Open Source isn't some entity a political spinhead can control. For instance, IBM vs. SCO. Even if Linux kernel violated SCO's patent, could anyone really stop Linux kernel development? I believe in self-governing body where countability is on each and everyone who's involved. With or without multibillion corporations pushing their own agendas, people like Linus who cares less about politics or profit (except free beer) or even public's opinion, make Open Source possible.

    Mr. Bruce Perens, to me, sounds bitter and impatient how ODF and Open Source is being adapted around the country, and the world.
  • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Saturday April 08, 2006 @07:42PM (#15092903)
    Slashdot for grown-ups?

    I Would take that as a place where facts counts for more than suspicion.

  • Re:Desktop Linux (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Bruce Perens ( 3872 ) * <bruce@perens.com> on Saturday April 08, 2006 @07:45PM (#15092912) Homepage Journal
    To take a frivolous comment seriously, we seem to have folded up the vendor organization that used to do publicity for desktop linux - which I spoke for - in favor of efforts by OSDL, freedesktop.org, etc. Since I have a lot to do, that's no problem. But I'm available to give a speech about the desktop if anyone wants one.

    Bruce

  • Amazing Spin. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by twitter ( 104583 ) on Saturday April 08, 2006 @10:23PM (#15093335) Homepage Journal
    Mr. Bruce Perens, to me, sounds bitter and impatient how ODF and Open Source is being adapted around the country, and the world.

    Who says that rate is slow? ODF is less than a year old. [wikipedia.org] Yet, two state governments have moved adopt it. Can you name any other technology state governments have adopted so quickly?

    Let's look at what Peren is angry about again:

    [Character Assasination via Boston Globe] ... Microsoft succeeded in lobbying both Republicans and Democrats to oppose ODF. ... There's a chilling effect that stems from the harassment of Quinn: other government CIOs are being scared away from the Open Format issue because now they know that Microsoft will do its best to end their careers if they even try.

    That's hardly what you have charged.

    I'd like to see you address any of that with more than insults and "say it aint so." The short of it is that M$ used it's money and influence to bamboozle decision makers, the public and other CTO's. The CTO's, who are more difficult to fool than the others, are being threatened. The facts of the case seem to support Perens on all of the above.

    If you are not angry about the end of Quinn's career over file formats, you have not thought enough about it.

  • Well, list the most important things in your life, in order, and that will tell you a lot.

    For me, it used to be that Open Source was #1. For Richard, Free Software always will be. For me now, being a dad is #1. And I find that I can look at Open Source with more objectivity because of this.

    Bruce

  • Re:Abramoff (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Catbeller ( 118204 ) on Sunday April 09, 2006 @02:47AM (#15093964) Homepage
    The story was in the Rolling Stone, oh moderators. Not to mention every decent paper in the country for the last ten years or so. Ralph Reed, Norquist, and Abramoff were old buddies in the Reagan era college scene, and they've been part of the Dewey, Fleeceum and Howe circuit since at least then.

    Wird fact I read: Abramoff wrote "Red Scorpion", a movie produced basically by the South African secret service and the CIA. Interesting stuff: seems Abramoff got his start working as a factotum for the South African secret service goon squad.

    Troll to Fox News watchers, maybe. Blindingly obvious to everyone else. Water's wet, news at 11.

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